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April 11, 2010 6:38:17 AM

Hey guys and gals! Love this site so I'm coming here looking for some advice on a new build.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: 3 weeks to a month. Depending on when the Phenom X6 comes out

BUDGET RANGE: 1500-1700 Before Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, gaming, gaming, some watching movies/general computer use.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, but I'm not opposed to reputable sites with good prices.

PARTS PREFERENCES: Sticking with intel core i7 930 for now till I see what AMD is coming out with, as stated above. Trying to stay away from the disappointing gtx480

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, hoping to get the i7 930 to 4ghz.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Would like to go crossfire if it's possible to work into the budget, but prefer a motherboard that can do both.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Below are the two cases that I'm stuck between, as well as the rest of the build I came up with. I know it doesn't make much sense to take so much of the budget on the case but these are the only two that really stand out to me.

Cases:
Silverstone Raven RV01

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$209.99

Coolermaster Cosmos S
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$169.99,

Would most likely purchase the $30 clear side window kit for the CM Cosmos
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$31.99

ASRock X58 Extreme
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$169.99

Core i7 930
This I will buy from a Microcenter that is near my house, as they have it on sale for $200.

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB (3 x 2GB) DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$174.99

SAPPHIRE 100280SR Radeon HD 5970
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$699.99

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$109.99

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB: Is putting two of these in Raid 0 pointless now?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$54.99

Titan Fenrir Cpu cooler
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10058/cpu-ttn-04/Tita...
$54.99 Not to sure about the green on this heatsink, but the red looks awsome. I hope to get the i7 to 4.0ghz with this cooler.

Silverstone Build price: $1682.93

Cosmos Build price: $1674.92

So there it is! I'm slightly inebriated and really tired while doing this so if my math is off I'm sorry.

Should I wait for the Phenom X6? Should I x-fire 5870's instead of the 5970? Should I get two HDD's and put them in Raid 0? I'm looking forward to all your advice!

Thanks in advance for any advice/guidance you guys can give. Take care.







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April 11, 2010 10:08:35 AM

First off, I just want to put out there that for your listed system usages (gaming :D ), you could easily drop down to an i5-750/ PII 955 build without much of a noticeable performance decrease and be happy with some extra money in your pocket. But if you saved for and planned on spending $1.6k, then there's nothing wrong with that.

Personally, (aside from dropping to an i5) I would pull the trigger on a 930. The new PII x6 CPUs (due sometime later this month, if it doesnt get pushed back) and its added 2 cores will do little/nothing for your gaming experience. Many games still utilize 1-2 cores with the next generation still easing its way into multi-core usage. A "quadcore minimum" for gaming will probably not be for awhile, yet alone the need for 6 physical cores.

As for your cases, both are excellent choices. Again, just reminding you that you are paying a premium for something aesthetic; thus, you should pick whichever you feel looks best. You could easily opt for a Haf 922 if you wanted to cut down somewhere, but I have a feeling that you are looking for a more unique/non-standard case. You may also be interested in the RV02:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
I've worked with both and, personally, the latter wins my vote. Though if you really wanted to splurge, have a peek at the FT02 :love: 

Your mobo choice is tried and true and an awesome value board, but if new tech. interests you, consider a x58a-ud3r, which has usb 3.0 and sata 6gbps.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Or, an extreme with usb 3.0 and sata 6gbps:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1 5970 now will give you some "future proof" if you ever wanted to drop another 5970 in your system in a few years. If I had the money, I would stick to a single GPU solution (keeping the 5970) over crossfiring right away. Save yourself the hassle and just get a 1 TB F3 if u need the space. Good choice in RAM sticks. Lastly, the Fenrir does cool well. You could pick up a hyper 212+ for $25 cheaper, which is still a good enough aftermarket cooler to hit a high OC. Hitting 4.0 would also depend on your chip batch, but it's definitely plausible. Also, the Fenrir's fan (when your comp is workin') gets pretty loud. You also won't be able to run a push/pull config. without making custom brackets, I believe (in case you had that in mind).

One final note: There's definitely room in your budget to add a SSD if you dropped to an i5/PII 955 and a cheaper case, which is something you would immediately feel over an 930 as a gamer. Jus' Sayin!
April 11, 2010 10:17:01 AM

If it's for gaming, 90% of the significance lies in the GPU.

I'd stay with Intel - for gaming, you'd want the fastest clock rate regardless of the number of cores. As long as it's not single-core, it'll work great! The new AMD 6-cores are not worth a glance for your needs.

In fact, if I were you, I'd get an i5-660 and OC that as much as possible. This is because as a dual core chip, there is less heat, so you can get higher frequencies. Since you won't be taking advantage of a quad core (in regards to gaming), you will see a tangible benefit doing this instead. Now your system ends up being much cheaper, and you'll be able to get much higher overclocks than with an i7-930.
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April 11, 2010 3:01:18 PM

When hitting a budgetary target, one has to often make compromises....they key is in making compromises that are upgradable rather than have to toss something out and replace it. I'd opt out of the 5970 on principal alone .... just can't stomach paying $100 or more over MSRP and the "dollars per frame" for the 5970 are well over $11 (DX 11 games average at 1920 x 1200 high settings) ...whereas the 5850 / 470 are down around $9.00.

Intel Core i7-930/ASUS P6T X58 Combo $580 and comes with free Assassins Creed Game (Significant MoBo Upgrade)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.369319

Antec 1200 w/ CP-850 $230 (Bigger / cooler case, significant PSU upgrade over the TX)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Comb [...] mbo.359977

Corsair DDR3-1600 w/ CAS 7 timings $190 DDR3-1600 allows for easy 4 GHZ OC)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly. And Yes RAID 0 is pointless on a gaming system.
Seagate 7200.12 $90
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6822148433

GFX card:

-Nvidia option Asus ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 470 $350
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

- XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB $310
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
- Option EVGA 512-P3-1220-LR GeForce GT 220 $50 (Dedicated physX Card)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Prolimatech Megahalems w/ IC Diamond 7 Karat TIM and Twin S-Flex PWM Fans $100
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8807/cpu-pro-01/Proli...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/7038/thr-41/Innovatio...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10026/fan-639/Scythe_...
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/8418/cab-150/FrozenCP...

or pick from the top 3 on one of these lists:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top 3 here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

Optical - At this budget,m Blue Ray is in Plextor Internal BD Combo Model PX-B320SA w/ LS $125
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

$1665 - $1675

So yes, ya dropped the GFX capability down a big notch but do you really need it ....now ? Ya had a low budget MoBo and changing that later is a PITA. Ya RAM was gonna hold back ya 4 GHz OC....anBuy ad with the above, your case and PSU can support just about anything (twin 5970's, yes....480's maybe) in SLI or Xfire. The 5850 or 470 will hold ya thru just about everything now and a 2md 5850 come XMas will have you set for another 2 years.
April 11, 2010 3:38:26 PM

Stick with the 930 don't listen to them. He's getting a heck of a deal there, <$200 is incredible. Also, go with the 5970 even though it's overpriced right now, it's the best. You pay for the best, and it's in your budget so why not have it? The biggest change I would make is to throw an SSD in there, as you will enjoy the luxury of virtually no loading times.
April 23, 2010 2:36:24 AM

Thanks for all the advice guys. I forgot to mention that this will be my last build for the foreseeable future, which is why I went will the 1366. Someday I'm sure triple channel ram and hyper threading will have an effect on game performance. I've adjusted my build, please critique.

Core i7 930: $200 (Microcenter)

Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$199.99

Titan Fenrir Cpu Cooler: From reviews I've seen this cooler is really good.
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/9209/cpu-ttn-03/Titan...
$52.99

Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6gp 1333 Cas7
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
174.99

Sapphire Vapor-X 5870
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$439.99

Intel X25-M g2 80gb ssd
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$209.95

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500gb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$54.99

Corsair 750tx
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$109.99

Samsung CD/DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$21.99

Silverstone Raven rv01
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$209.99

or

CM Cosmos S
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
169.99


Raven build: $1674.91

Cosmos build: $1634.87

You guys were right the cases I picked are totally about the look. I'm going to be looking at this thing for a long time and right now these two cases are the ones that caught my eye.




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