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April 11, 2010 8:54:44 AM

Hello there good folk, I'm in the process of buying some computer hardware components, to set myself up with a fairly capable system. It is to be used for casual entertainment like games, movies, light photoshop editing and office work.

My budget stretches around $AUD 500 and intends on purchasing a case, psu, cpu, mobo, ram, gfx and kboard+mouse. I've already got a monitor, dvd-rom and a speaker set from an old system to dismantle and add onto this purchase.

Too be honest, I've built my fare share of systems and I'm not looking for miracles with this budget. It is probably more a case of emergency as my old system is about to crash and causes headaches on a regular basis. I do need help though, as I'm not experienced with budget purchases and I imagine it being more complex to assemble an optimal system this way. Coupled with not being present on the computer market for some time, I feel like I'm not exactly on top of things anymore...

The games I play are Heroes of Newerth and Quake Live (not so demanding) to give you some insight to what the system needs to handle.

Here are the sites that are available to me:

www.techbuy.com.au
http://www.i-tech.com.au/
http://www.ddcomputer.com.au

The hardware I'm currently considering:

AMD ATHLON II X2 250 DUAL-CORE 3.0GHZ CPU $82.00
Numan 1208B Mid Tower ATX Case $48.00
Gigabyte ATI HD 5450 PCI-E 2.0 512MB 128-bit DDR5, DVI/ HDMI/ Display Port, DX11, Fan. $70.00
Corsair TW3X4G1333C9A 4GB (2x XMS3 2GB) PC-10600 (1333MHz) XMP DDR3 RAM $161.00
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3 M/B $108.00
Gigabyte GK-KM6150 Elegant Multimedia USB Keyboard & Mouse, 9 Media and Internet Hot Keys, Laser engraved printing keys $22.00

from http://www.ddcomputer.com.au total $AUD 504.00 with delivery.

Anyway enough of me, I'm interested in your thoughts about all of this. Thanks!
April 11, 2010 10:26:33 AM

I think you have a good build for what you're looking for. The question is - what are you going to do for a hard drive?
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April 11, 2010 11:59:07 AM

The onboard video cards have gone a long way lately and in that budget you can't get a system with a discrete card and decent components (mainly CPU/PSU). The integrated HD4200 is good enough for those games.

Mobo - Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H -- $119.5

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/124137/MOTHERBOARD_AMD_SOCK...

CPU - AMD Athlon II X3 435 -- $110.9

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/132571/CPU_AMD_SOCKET_AM3/A...

RAM - Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) PC3-10600 1333MHz DDR3 -- $147.95

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/133606/MEMORY_MEMORY_DDR-3_...

Now for the case/PSU, never heard of Numa but I see it's cheaper than Delux. And Delux is c..p.

CoolerMaster Elite 331 Midi-Tower Case - 420W PSU -- $89.10

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/75894/CASINGS_MIDI-TOWER/Co...

+ $22.00 your keyboard and mouse

total $489.45







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April 11, 2010 12:08:48 PM

Get a Phenom II x2 550 or 555 Black Edition CPU for ~$120,-.
http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/118837/CPU_AMD_SOCKET_AM3/A...

1) Its clocked at 3.1Ghz with an unlocked multiplier. (So you might OC to ~3.5/3.7Ghz+)
2) It has got L3 cache.
3) Perhaps you get lucky, and manage to unlock the other two cores.
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April 11, 2010 12:39:34 PM

Thanks guys, appreciate all the help.

excelblue: I noticed that as well, and I might add on a HDD to the purchase or take the one that's currently on my system (should still do the job).

mosox: If I understand you correctly, you mean that in my budget I can't expect a good GFX card together with a good CPU and PSU? Or is "can't" a typo of "can"? I'm also taking it as the "discrete card" is an intergrated one?

dmen: I am currently not that interested in OC'ing any card and thus I will be looking for a good stock performance. Is the 550 still as viable with no OC plans?

In general I'm just looking for a system that will carry those two games without hampering the experience (preferably on highest gfx settings). It should serve as a good guidline as the games will be the demanding factor to test determine the system's capability.
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April 11, 2010 2:45:29 PM

No, no typo. And discrete is non integrated. You can't get a decent system if you also buy a separate video card, you should go for a mobo with an integrated GPU like the one I posted.

Your games will run fine on the HD4200, those games you can see on YouTube are much more demanding than yours and the HD4200 can still run them. You can add a video card later if you want to play more demanding games.
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April 11, 2010 2:54:52 PM

Updated alternative:

Gigabyte GZ-X9 Midi-Tower Case - 420W PSU, Black 2x USB2.0, Audio, ATX $86.65
AMD Athlon II X4 630 Quad Core (2.8GHz) - AM3, 2MB Cache, 45nm, 95W $136.75
Corsair 3GB (3 x 1GB) PC3-12800 1600MHz DDR3 RAM - 8-8-8-24 $180.60
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3 Motherboard AM3, AMD770, SB710, HT 5200, $110.90
Sapphire Radeon HD 5750 - 512MB GDDR5 - (700MHz, 4600MHz) 128-bit, $164.85
Gigabyte GK-KM6150 Desktop - Elegant Multimedia Keyboard + Mouse USB $17.40
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Subtotal: $AUD 697.15

www.techbuy.com.au

Where would the bottleneck effect occur. Is it a problem with the above mentioned CPU & GPU?
Any other thoughts?
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April 13, 2010 8:02:46 AM

Was fortunate enough to get some help from another guy. He's Australian so it helps me get a more acurate sense of prices etc.

What do you think of his recomendations?

"Case: Antec 300. It's pretty similar to the Coolermaster you chose but a bit cheaper, you can add lots of fans too.
Mobo: The one you chose was a good choice, we can stick with that.
CPU: AMD Phenom II 555 Black Edition. This is great value, and being new you'll have a good chance it'll unlock to quad-core. Also has an unlocked multiplier for easy over-clocking.
HDD: Samsung Spinpoint F3 500GB. This is the fastest hdd you can get. You could add another one in the future and run in RAID0.
RAM: Corsair 4GB DDR3 1600Mhz. Ram is stupidly expensive at the moment. To save a little cash you could go with 1333Mhz, and put the extra into a better mobo, you wouldn't notice much difference.
GPU: The games you mentioned aren't very demanding, but with this combo you could afford an ATI 5670, which would easily max out those games, and most other games, come to that. You could also overclock it to perform better than the 5750."

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April 13, 2010 9:16:49 AM

That case is cheaper because it doesn't come with a PSU. You can get a 5670. would stick with the Athlon II X3 435.

There's something wrong with that site now, brb.

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April 13, 2010 10:59:40 AM

- Gigabyte GA-MA785GT-UD3H (HD4200)
- AMD Athlon II X3 435 Triple Core (2.9GHz)
- Corsair 4GB (2 x 2GB) PC3-10600 1333MHz DDR3
- Samsung 500GB 7200rpm Serial ATA-II HDD w. 16MB Cache (HD502HJ) Spinpoint F3

That's $455.9

Case + PSU

CoolerMaster Elite 331 Midi-Tower Case - 420W PSU $89.10

Or

Case Antec Three Hundred $89.95 + PSU Antec 450W Neo Eco $67.05 = $157

Video card $121.05

http://www.techbuy.com.au/p/134239/VIDEOCARDS_RADEON_PC...




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April 13, 2010 12:27:35 PM

So, I got on some price comparison sites and started searching for some core components.

This is what I've come up with so far. I'm concerned wether or not the PSU is enough and, if I've gotten a too weak/strong GPU for the computers purpose.

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - AMD Athlon II x4 630

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Corsair 2x2GB DDR3 1333MHz

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Antec Three Hundred Case

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Anted NEO ECO 450W PSU

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - 500GB WD Caviar Black

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - XFX 1GB DDR5 HD5670

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Windows7 HP 64-bit

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Mouse

http://www.gocomp.com.au/index.php?cpath=productinfo&pi... - Keyboard

Total:$AUD$834.20

What about an Gigabyte Gigabyte ATI HD4650 Overclocked PCI-E 2.0 1GB 128-bit GDDR2, for about $60 less than the above. How far can one go until I reach a bottleneck effect or just plain not meet the requirements?

The price have obviously gone up from before, where I set out to spend around $500-700, but I'm content with the additions of HDD and OS. If anyone has an idea of ways to lower the costs with the same components I'd love to hear about it.
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April 13, 2010 1:35:42 PM

So, as for the conlclusion of this purchuse I've got two alternatives. Not a lot of difference between them I assume, but I thought I'd bring it up with you guys and see where which one gets more love.

ONE
from https://www.pcdiy.com.au

AMD Athlon II X2 245 Dual Core 2.9GHz AM3 Socket $68.00
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P AMD770 DDR3 Motherboard ATX $115.00
G.Skill 4GB DDR3 1600Mhz PC12800 (2x2G) F3-12800CL9D-4GBNQ $139.00
Seagate Barracuda 500GB 3.5" SATA 16MB 7200RPM ST3500418AS $55.00
Antec VSK-2000 Black ATX Tower Case No PSU $57.00
Logitech Deluxe 250 Desktop Black - USB $18.00
Thermaltake Litepower 500W PSU $63.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64-bit OEM(Condition Apply) $115.00
Gigabyte ATI Radeon HD 5670 1GB Graphics Card HDMI R567OC-1G $127.00

Sub-Total: $757.00 + $55 shipping (I might be able to pickup for $0 though).

TWO
from http://www.pccasegear.com

AMD Athlon II X2 245 $76.00
Gigabyte GA-MA770T-UD3P Motherboard $103.00
G.Skill F3-10666CL9D-4GBNQ (2x2GB) DDR3 $139.00
Antec New Solution VSK-2000 Case $65.00
Sapphire Radeon HD5670 512MB $109.00
Microsoft Wired Desktop 400 OEM $19.00
Western Digital Blue 500GB WD5000AAKS $63.00
Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 64bit OEM $135.00
Antec Neo Eco 400C 400W Power Supply $56.00

Sub-Total: $765.00 + $35 shipping
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April 15, 2010 7:00:01 AM

Also, what is the significance of getting a Athlon II X3 435 and a GA-MA770TA-UD3P instead? I've found good prices on megaware and it seems like a more upgradable choice as far as OC'ing. My only question really is, wether or not it is good choice in regards to value for performance?
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April 15, 2010 10:44:07 AM

Get the Athlon II X3 435. TA-UD3 has USB3 and SATA3, you can also buy the GA 770T USB3, I don't jnow which is better for OC you should look them up on the Internet.

You can get a faster HDD, Samsung 500GB Spinpoint F3 - $62. You should know that the Microsoft keyboard is slim.






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April 15, 2010 12:50:31 PM

i cant offer you much in the way of hardware advice but you may want to try www.msy.com.au if theres a suitable store location for you. They have very competitive prices, offer specials and are pretty well established.

the only downside is the site is a bit of a mess and the .pdf list of parts isnt very detailed, still you may be able to squeeze a few extras into you budget.

*just stay well well away from any of the SHAW products, visit the whirlpool forums if your wondering why.
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