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April 12, 2010 10:02:58 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Trying to purchase the remaining parts and have everything delivered on or before Friday, April 17th.
BUDGET RANGE: Probably a range of about $950 total (up to $1000 is okay).
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Moderate gaming (probably games from 2008 and before), light video & audio editing, some Photoshop usage.
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: See below for what I already have and what I will need.
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I use a lot of ZZF, NewEgg, and local superstores such as Fry's.
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: For parts? Doesn't matter. I live in the US.
PARTS PREFERENCES: No preference.
OVERCLOCKING: No initially, but definitely the option later on. I will just have stock everything for now (cooling wise).
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: No
MONITOR RESOLUTION: I have a 24" widescreen monitor. I think it's native resolution is 1920x1200. I could game at a slightly lower resolution--no problem.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Total cost excludes operating system because I already have a Win7 Home 64-bit license.

Hey everyone. I've posted this in another thread, but I would like to finalize my build this week and get building on it asap. So I thought I'd post here as well. I wanted to build a new gaming rig for about $950 total (or around there or so).

I haven't built a computer in ages, so I am not sure what is compatible nowadays nor what is the newest technology out there. I'm more of a software guy, than a hardware guy, heh.

Please help me choose some good parts (as well, at deal prices if you can find them). Here's what I would like to build and what I have so far:

CPU: Intel i7 930 2.8GHz @ $200
Mobo: currently, I have bought an MSI X58 Pro-E @ $120 or thinking about switching mobos to ASUS P6T SE @ $140
RAM: Looking for a triple-channel 6GB RAM. Probably either a 6GB DDR3-1333 or DDR3-1600 (if I don't have to OC) depending on which mobo I finalize on.
GFX Card: PowerColor 1GB HD5850 OC @ $264.
Hard Drive: Samsung Spinpoint F3 1TB 7200RPM 32MB cache @ $77.
DVD-RW: ASUS DRW-24B1ST DVD-RW @ $24.
CASE/PSU: In the past, I have bought the case/psu combination from Fry's to save money. They were usually on sale for about $100 (e.g., an Antec case with a 500W PSU or something along the lines of that). Perhaps some deal online/combo (or even offline) could be done with this. I am just not sure what works with my mobo and gfx card build.

Remaining budget: $265 (more is okay).

Please help me choose the remaining parts: RAM & case/PSU combo. I wanted to find one that would suit the mobo and gfx card usage. Thank you!
April 12, 2010 11:12:16 AM

COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


G.SKILL PI Series 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)CAS7

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


YOU might try a coolermaster V8 for cooling.



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April 12, 2010 12:02:27 PM

^ Well good choices there...but I dont think the OP would need a 750W PSU if he will not be Crossfiring, which he has mentioned...
So a 500-550W would do...
Here are some case + PSU combos...
HAF 922 - If you want a smaller case than the 932, but it is by no means small though...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
CM 690
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
Antec 600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

RAM - +1 to the GSKillz Alvin has linked...
Other options
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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April 12, 2010 10:17:33 PM

Thank you both for the quick replies!

Alvin, the case you gave me looks really nice, but it is a little out of my maximum budget. I was hoping to find a case for $60-90 range. I think a Mid Tower like gkay09 would be fine. Unless my GFX card is not able to fit in a Mid Tower? The gfx card seems to be very long--I think it's around 10.2 inches in length.

Also, the PowerColor HD5850 that I bought states I would need a minimum of this PSU: "500 Watt or greater power supply with two 75W 6-pin PCI Express power connectors." Indeed, I don't plan on Crossfiring the two. Just a single vid card. Do you think any 650W or under PSU would do, right?

The last question has to deal with the RAM. According to the mobo I currently have, which is a MSI X58 Pro-E, it states that it can run DDR3-1333 & DDR3-1600 under OC and normally DDR3-1033 & DDR3-800. If I am not OC'ing the processor, does that mean I can't run at these speeds? I was hoping to get a DDR3-1333 (somewhere in the middle) and run at this speed without OC'ing my i7 930 processor. Or does RAM usually fall back with its failsafe (i.e., if I buy DDR3-1600, it could always run triple channel at the lower speed) if I am trying to run at a higher speed? I am trying to see what makes sense economically. DDR3-1600 vs DDR3-1333 vs DDR3-1066 prices are very similar in range. I just hope one thing is compatible with my mobo.
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April 12, 2010 10:21:56 PM


Can the Ram be OCd independent of the CPU ?

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April 12, 2010 10:31:14 PM

Ideally I'd like to see an Antec Twelve Hundred, Silverstone SST-ST70F and a few sticks of Ballistix (personal preference). However, they're outside your budget. Instead of recommending a specific model, I'd recommend looking for good deals. You just missed a clearance on the Antec Sonata III Black with an Earth Watts 500 watt PSU for $75 shipped.

Fry's has the Antec Nine Hundred (which I've used an likely a lot) for $70. Smokin' deal, IMO. http://www.frys.com/product/4991611 They also have the TruePower TP-750 750 watt on sale for $80 after rebate. It might be a little much for your needs, but it's a rock solid piece with room for the future.

Or if you have a Microcenter nearby, here's a $25 case when you pick it up in-store. http://slickdeals.net/forums/showthread.php?sduid=52938... Doesn't look awfully well-constructed, but I admit I haven't read any reviews.

For RAM, meh. Go with whatever you can find a good deal on. Haven't checked the Gskills referenced by the other two repliers.
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April 12, 2010 11:36:36 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Can the Ram be OCd independent of the CPU ?


Hmm...can it?
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April 13, 2010 2:24:59 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Can the Ram be OCd independent of the CPU ?


StridingCloud said:
Hmm...can it?


Traditionally, not typically unless your motherboard allowed for an asynchronous mode. Not so sure with some of the newer motherboards, as I haven't kept up on my hardware so well lately.
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April 13, 2010 3:03:00 AM


Hope you are not asking ME !

From what very little I inderstand, the proc has to be fast enough to support the Ram in OC ... that is not a complete answer, tho, I know.

But if it were multiple choice ... "NO" Ram cannot be clocked independently of the CPU.

Since they did away with the FSB, I'm not current on what the RAM clock is a multiple of but ... Pretty sure you need a faster proc if you want to OC RAM.

I have been meaning to do a whole lotta lurking and sticky-reading, on the OC forum ... prolly about time I did that ... since 2 out of three systems we build are intended for some attempt at OC.

= Alvin = HAPPY ? !

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April 13, 2010 4:34:27 AM

Ah. Hmm... does that mean I am able to use DDR3-1600 without any problems? Would it be able to read that speed or should I just purchase DDR3-1333 just in case?
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April 13, 2010 5:17:33 AM

DEFINATELY ... Go with the 1600 Cas7 ... IT WILL WORK !

And even if it didn't work at 1600C7 ... it would work at cas 8 ... or cas9

... or you could drop it all the way down to 1333 CAS 9 ! ... pretty sure about that ... You just have to get into the BIOS and enter the settings.

But you SHOULD enter (manually) the settings on the manufacturer's data-sheet (manually) ... and SAVE the settings upon exit from the BIOS top menu.

And if THAT does not convince you ... then why does the ultimate authority (gKay) agree with me ("+1 on the RAM that Alvin linked")??

= Alvin =




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April 13, 2010 7:30:27 AM

Increasing the RAM speeds will overclock the CPU too in the case of the i7 as both the Memory and the CPU speeds depend on the BCLK...So in order to set the rated RAM speeds, you would have to increase the BCLK, thus resulting in overclocking the CPU too...
But you could also increase the Memory multiplier so that the RAM is set at the rated speeds without overclocking the CPU...
I would suggest you to check this article...this explains very clearly the relation between various settings...
http://www.maximumpc.com/article/features/ultimate_core...
You can use the XMP profiles built into the memory kits to set the rated speed and timings, which is the easiest method...but still would be better you understand first what you will be doing though...
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April 13, 2010 10:37:37 PM

Alright. That makes sense. I think I'll purchase the case/PSU first. I just checked my local Fry's today. They are selling the Antec 900 case for $69.99. Is this a good deal and good case for my system? It looks really complicated and fancy. Or should I just stick to something simpler?
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April 14, 2010 4:06:55 AM

^ The Antec 900 is also a very good case and for that price it is a good option...What other cases are available there at that price range ?
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April 21, 2010 1:59:16 AM

Best answer selected by StridingCloud.
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