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$1000 CAD Gaming/Work PC

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April 14, 2010 1:23:01 AM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: in about two weeks

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming/Work (involves using Solidworks, Visual Studio, and Office)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, OS

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, NCIX

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel Preferred, Gigabyte Mobos

OVERCLOCKING: Maybe

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION:1680 x 1050

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: raid 0 config, need Wifi access (i know hardline is the best way, but there's no way I can get that going atm)

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Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750 - Retail
$208.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

XFX HD-577A-ZNDC Radeon HD 5770 XXX Edition 1GB 128-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card - Retail
$181.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

OCZ Gold Edition 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1066 (PC3 8500) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model OCZ3G10664GK
$108.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

GIGABYTE GA-P55-USB3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
$129.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

2x Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$139.98 (thats the price of 2 of them)
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
$28.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1682...

Antec Nine Hundred + EA650 Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case 650W Power Supply - Retail $199.99
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?item=N82E1681...

More about : 1000 cad gaming work

April 14, 2010 1:47:56 AM

Someone go ahead and correct me if I am mistaken, but I believe I read somewhere that nvidia has the advantage in CAD applications, while ATI runs cooler, and has the edge in 3d applications and gaming. I have no source currently, so I could be incorrect.
April 14, 2010 2:01:22 AM

^ The normal Geforce nVidia drivers are better than the ATI Radeon ones. In any case, for 3D CAD/rendering work, I'd go with an nVidia card, specifically, a Quaddro workstation card if your serious about that kind of work. For solidworks, unless doing some huglely complex stuff, a cheap GTS/X 2xx will do. Also consider getting a old 8800GTX/GTS for ~$50-80 and soft modding it to a Quaddro.

@OP:
1. DO NOT get the OCZ Gold. They are know to have quite a lot of compatibility issues. Get some GSkill Ripjaws.

2. DO NOT do RAID0 on a drive meant to store your data,etc. Do RAID0 ONLY on your OS/program/scratch disks.
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April 14, 2010 2:12:39 AM

ATI currently has an issue with 2D GFX....they have said that this will be addressed in the next driver release (10.4) ... however, historically, most CAD shops have used nVidia hardware at the "consumer card" level. The Fire GL series (which ATI acquired from Diamond) competes with the nVidia Quadro series at the workstation level.

The "maybe" you gave us on SLI or Xfire kicks out the Gigabyte MoBo for two reasons ....first it's not Xfire capable.. Second, Gigabyte MoBos cripple the USB 3 and SATA III lanes when a 2nd GFX card is inserted.

This gives twin PCI-E lanes w/o crippling USB 3 / SATA III

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

RAM...if your overclocking, your gonna want faster RAM.

if ya want 3.33 Ghz, get DDR3-1333
if ya want 4.00 Ghz, get DDR3-1600

CAS 6 is better than 7 which is better than 8, etc but the lower the CAS, the more it costs.

If ya gonna OC in the future....would be good idea to install the 3rd party Heat Sink when you build it so as t save a complete tear down.

Pick from the top 3 on these lists:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top few here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

At $65 (+ fans), I'd go with the Megahalems, if that's a budget breaker, go with the Xigmatek S1283

April 14, 2010 2:25:57 AM

In addition to working with CAD software, I'm also going to be gaming on it. nVidia does have better drivers for working with SolidWorks than Radeon does. Is there a good equivalent from the nVidia side?

Hmm I will look into the GSkill memory. I've heard that the brand is quite good.

I know the risks of running RAID0 on a hard drive, and having a good backup solution can justify this risk.

I am also looking at a good adapter for wireless. Do the PCI adapters run better than the USB ones in general? I have a draft n router at home, but are there any issues between that and draft n 2.0 or hardware from other manufacturers?
April 14, 2010 2:42:03 AM

Thanks for your detailed reply.

Changing to a nVidia card would be a step in the right direction here I think based on the current discussion.

I also forgot to mention that I do not particularly like Seagate hard drives and have been sticking to WD drives for some time now. And as good as Samsung drives go, its prices are a lot higher than WD drives, but they do have better quality drives.

The change of SLI to "maybe" was kind of spontaneous. My original plan was not to use SLI, but I suppose I wanted to see what other options were available in that regard.

As of right now the total is at $998.92 in the original post. Any changes would break my budget since I'm pretty much already maxed out here.

However, I do like your ideas involving overclocking the computer

JackNaylorPE said:
ATI currently has an issue with 2D GFX....they have said that this will be addressed in the next driver release (10.4) ... however, historically, most CAD shops have used nVidia hardware at the "consumer card" level. The Fire GL series (which ATI acquired from Diamond) competes with the nVidia Quadro series at the workstation level.

The "maybe" you gave us on SLI or Xfire kicks out the Gigabyte MoBo for two reasons ....first it's not Xfire capable.. Second, Gigabyte MoBos cripple the USB 3 and SATA III lanes when a 2nd GFX card is inserted.

This gives twin PCI-E lanes w/o crippling USB 3 / SATA III

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

RAM...if your overclocking, your gonna want faster RAM.

if ya want 3.33 Ghz, get DDR3-1333
if ya want 4.00 Ghz, get DDR3-1600

CAS 6 is better than 7 which is better than 8, etc but the lower the CAS, the more it costs.

If ya gonna OC in the future....would be good idea to install the 3rd party Heat Sink when you build it so as t save a complete tear down.

Pick from the top 3 on these lists:
http://www.silentpcreview.com/Recommended_Heatsinks
http://www.frostytech.com/top5heatsinks.cfm#INTELHEATSI...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

pick a TIM from the top few here:
http://www.hwreviewlabs.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/coolers/display/therma...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

At $65 (+ fans), I'd go with the Megahalems, if that's a budget breaker, go with the Xigmatek S1283

April 14, 2010 6:49:02 PM

hp-p00nst3r said:

I also forgot to mention that I do not particularly like Seagate hard drives and have been sticking to WD drives for some time now. And as good as Samsung drives go, its prices are a lot higher than WD drives, but they do have better quality drives.


Technically, the WD drives you have are slower/older technology than the Samsung drives and are not directly comparable. The WD drives you have selected are 250 GB platter drives, while the Samsung Spinpoint F3s use 500 GB platters, meaning that they are faster, draw less power, and are potentially quieter.

The WD drive that is comparable to the Spinpoints is the WD1002FAEX, which in the US is about $30 more per drive than the Spinpoints. Meaning that the comparable WD drives are actually more expensive (again, at least in the US).

If you're at your budget, then don't switch, but if you can swing it, the Spinpoints will give you a little better performance.
April 15, 2010 2:03:30 AM

Yeah, I've pretty much maxed out my budget. I think the RAID 0 setup I'm planning to do will give me a great boost in performance anyhow. Of course a RAID 0 set up using the Spinpoint drives may give me even more performance, but I guess the budget will decide how that goes.
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