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March 24, 2010 12:06:30 AM

Hi all , technecaly speaking the 5850 should be better than the 5830 . But is it worth about $100 more,performance wise. Thanks. Just off hand are both these a lot better than the 5770 .

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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 12:11:04 AM

The 5830 is not very much better than the 5770. It does have a bit more power, but it costs too much more to justify it. It is way less value than either the 5770 or 5850. Pick one of those two, but really the 5830 is just a ripoff for performance. You could also do crossfired 5750s or 5770s. BTW, the 5850 is only about $50 more than the 5830, which is worth it by far.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 12:23:56 AM

The 5850 is one of the best values IMO. Especially if you are willing to OC it.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 10:30:47 AM

Yes, a 1200MHz real clock does not sound unreasonable for GDDR5.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 12:18:01 PM

geno777 said:
Thanks guys . I was looking around and found this card. From looking at it it has a memory clock of 4800 mhz.Is that good ?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


4800MHz is the effective speed. The actual memory clock is 1200MHZ (x4 = 4800MHz). Sometimes they print one or the other. If you are not going to overclock the card, just get a standard 5770 card for less. If you plan to overclock the MSI card you links is a GOOD choice and OCs well. Read this article: http://www.tweaktown.com/reviews/3124/msi_radeon_hd_577...

In regards to the 5830 vs 5850. Pay the extra for the 5850, it goes a LONG way. the 5830 doesn't outperform the 5770 by all that much and is a HUGE card. Its the same board as the 5870 and uses more power than the 5850. I think AMD/ATI slapped this thing together from the 5870 just to fill the void. It's only a $50 difference if you look at this 5850: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 24, 2010 4:14:27 PM

Thanks all,been getting a lot of info in my head,but what comes in some times has more questions come out. I have allways had nvidea cards. OC them has been pretty simple with tools like EVGA precision, rivia tunner ect.. Are there simular tools fro raideon cards. I have heard that the catylist is difficult to use.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 4:17:05 PM

Catalyst works fine for low OCes (like what I did for my 5850). To go higher I think most use MSI's overclocking program.
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a c 147 U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 5:41:51 PM

ATI cards are cake to overclock moderately. As EXT64 mentioned the ATI drivers include the Overdrive utility that lets you OC the GPU and Memory pretty well. If you go beyond the slider limit or need/want to give a volt mod, the MSI Afterburner utility is VERY easy to use. It uses Rivatuner component and it is what I use for my 5870. It makes fan profiles simple and has an OSD.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 5:46:01 PM

Yeah, I really should get it for my 5850. I have heard so many great things about that program. It works with all of the manufacturers, correct?
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a c 147 U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 6:12:54 PM

EXT64 said:
Yeah, I really should get it for my 5850. I have heard so many great things about that program. It works with all of the manufacturers, correct?

Correct. I have an Asus card and their app only works with Asus cards. I don't like it at all. The MSI Afterburner is easy to use, even easier if you are familiar with Rivatuner. I don't even have an OC currently because I have no use for it. But it lets you do clocks, voltage, fans, On Screen Displays, system tray temp, have the standard Rivatuner graphs. It's REALLY probably the BEST OC tool I ever used.

It lets you save OC profiles if you like and I have one that I'm working to get stable. It is currently 950/1300 with a 1.25V core. I want to see if I can lower the voltage a little and still be stable. 1GHZ would take to much juice and make to much heat for my liking. I'd have to crack the fan higher yet. I still set the fan pretty conservative. Its 20% to 40C then linear to 45% at 80C, then has a steep climb to 100C just in case. With this at stock It hits about 75-76C in Bad Company 2, with the OC about 82C. But that game makes the card hotter than any other game.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 6:26:48 PM

MSI utility is very handy, awesome. I made my own profile for the fan/cooling. It was fun to keep modifying it while furmark was running.
My memory seems to get hottest, by trying different scenarios all seems 'better'.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 8:15:21 PM

Wow, that sounds awesome. I'll definitely get it soon. I used to use Riva on my NVidia cards.
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a b U Graphics card
March 24, 2010 8:29:07 PM

geno777 said:
Hi all , technecaly speaking the 5850 should be better than the 5830 . But is it worth about $100 more,performance wise. Thanks. Just off hand are both these a lot better than the 5770 .


The 5850 is better than the 5830 by a good margin. The 5830 is maybe 20-30% better than a 5770, and a 5850 is about 60-70% better than a 5770.

5830s cost around $240, 5850s cost around $300
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March 24, 2010 9:52:18 PM

jryan388 said:
The 5830 is not very much better than the 5770. It does have a bit more power, but it costs too much more to justify it. It is way less value than either the 5770 or 5850. Pick one of those two, but really the 5830 is just a ripoff for performance. You could also do crossfired 5750s or 5770s. BTW, the 5850 is only about $50 more than the 5830, which is worth it by far.


Best answer here.

But I would advise against 5750Cf, the 5770Cf is a better value.
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March 24, 2010 10:05:51 PM

Go look at some of the 3dmark vantage benchmarks comparing all the cards, the 5770 gets owned by the 5830 and the 5830 keeps up with the gtx 285's HOwever there are some benchmarks where the 5770 and the 5830 are almost dead even , but also there are some benchmarks where the 5850 is only one more fps then the 5830, I dont think the 5830 is worth its price tag but it is a decent card, if you can afford it go with the 5850
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March 24, 2010 10:10:33 PM

vexun11 said:
Go look at some of the 3dmark vantage benchmarks comparing all the cards, the 5770 gets owned by the 5830 and the 5830 keeps up with the gtx 285's


Calling bullcrap on this.

3D mark is a synthetic, and has no bearing on the real game fps.

But yes, the 5830 does very well in 3d mark.

The Radeon 5850>GTX 285=4890>5830>4870>5770>GTS 250=4850=5750.
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July 8, 2010 12:38:14 PM

EXT64 said:
The 5850 is one of the best values IMO. Especially if you are willing to OC it.


Then I could say my 5870 is the best value it has more stream processors. But its like 100.00 more than the 5850 which is 100.00 more than the 5830.

I have a 4 cpu lan in which three machines have ATI cards. A 5770 and a 5870.

The 5770 is very nice and looks the same graphically in all games vs the 5870.

At 160.00 vs 470.00 the 5770 is a better value. It depends on the rez you play at.

The 5770 on a 1280x1024 lcd is perfect in that it runs at native rez and its fast in all games at that rez. Sure you loose some FOV but not much in terms of actual clarity.

For people on a budget the 5830 is a decent buy now that its sub 200.00. It helps to know what monitor you will be using. Jumping up in the size of a LCD could mean a laggy game. A 5830 at 1680 might play identical to a 5850 at the next rez up.

some numbers
1280 x 1024 - 1.3 million pixels to move
1680 x 1050 - 1.76 million
1920x1080 - 2.1 million
1920 x 1200 - 2.3 million

ie Batman on a 5830 at 1680 x 1050 runs faster than a 5850 at 1920 x 1200.

I have all types of LCDs, favorite is the 1680 for gaming, great speed, next is 1920 but needs a beefy card to remain smooth.

5770 - 1280 (perfect in terms of game speed) can do 1680 very well too but no more unless you want to start tweaking each game.

5830 - 1680 rez is good
5850 - 1680 - 1920 x1080 - I hate this LCD ratio too wide vs vertical
1920x 1200 - 5850 or 5870 or better.

Those are for me, I prefer smooth gameplay over rez. Thats why I game at 1680 rez, better fps. If I were to go higher its the 1920x1200 (the new HD lcd trend maybe popular but its not better)

I think my 5870 and the 5850 are a rip off in terms of price. Don't get me wrong the 5870 is a nice card but playing it games like COD2, Bioshock, borderlands, dirt2 and SC2 on a 5770 gives pretty much the same experience at a fraction of the cost.

I think too many people have benchmark-itis. a 5830 with a decent cpu will get the job done.

One of the 5770s is hampered by a E5300 dual core and it still plays smooth but not nearly as smooth as a 5770 with a i7.

If your on a budget and running a LCD 1680 the 5830 at 200.00 is going to deliver a great gaming experience.



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July 8, 2010 12:38:50 PM

5850 for sure. Def worth the difference
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Anonymous
July 8, 2010 8:09:40 PM

5850+1
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a c 271 U Graphics card
July 9, 2010 2:19:22 PM

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