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April 17, 2010 12:05:31 AM

Hello,

Building a computer for a friend. He wants to upgrade his current PC...and he won't upgrade it for another 4-5 years.


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Tomorrow.

BUDGET RANGE: Less than $1000 after rebates and tax.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, gaming, gaming. He will only play games like WoW + HoN + future Blizzard games + maybe other games (Definitely not games like Crysis + other first shooters, he plays those on his PS3).

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Keyboard/Mouse/Monitor/Case/PSU/HDD/Dvd drive/Windows 7

Using following case Thermaltake Tsunami: Thermaltake Tsunami Dream VA3000BWA

Using the following PSU Ultra X-500 Watt: Ultra X-Connect 500W PSU

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: www.canadacomputers.com, www.newegg.ca, www.ncix.com, www.tigerdirect.ca

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Canada

PARTS PREFERENCES: Intel pref. for CPU since I believe he can fit it in his budget.

OVERCLOCKING: No overclocking or SLI/CF. I may convince him to OC, but 85% chance he won't.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: He needs new parts tomorrow. He said after 2-3 weeks, he'll upgrade his monitor or attach another one (Not Eyefinity though).

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CPU: i5-750 $208.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2GB CL7 DD3-1600 $123.50
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 <-- I don't think he needs SATA 6 / USB 3 (he won't be upgrading for long time). $109.99
GPU: Sapphire Vapor-X 5850 <--- Only $20 more than regular 5850. $339.99

TOTAL = $782.47

Potential Changes:


PSU: Corsair 650TX - $109.99

HD: Can't find Samsung F3s in stock! So Seagate 500gb - $59.99

New Total with 2 changes = $952.45 before Taxes/Rebates (Too much after Taxes!)

Maybe this Mobo (I don't see why though): Mobo - Asus P7P55D-E - $194.99


Thanks everyone. I think 5850 is right for his needs...he doesn't play those ultra-intensive games, but it should last him 4 years based on the games he plays.

PS: I tried clicking the paperclip button, and a new popup comes says to put link into Internal link...let's me select from a drop-down menu (lists Albums, downloads, etc.) and then there's a search button + external link box...after clicking submit nothing happens : \)
a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:14:36 AM


While the PSU is certainly powerful enough (for ONE GPU), I do NOT SEE any PCIe Power connectors, which this card needs !

Definitely NOT Crossfire ready !

Features, Specifications and Package Contents
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Features

•High-Gloss Mirror Finish
•Modular Cable Connection System
•UV Reactive Shielded Cables
•Dual 80mm Fans
•Low Acoustic Noise
•Short Circuit Protection
•In-rush Current Protection
•Thermal Overload Protection
•Supports Intel Pentium 4 and AMD CPUs
•Meets ATX Version 2.03 and ATX 12V Version 1.2
•MTBF>100,000 Hours at Full Load, 110VAC & 25ºC Ambient Condition

Connectors

•1x 20-Pin Main Power
•1x 6-Pin AUX (Xeon) Power
•1x 4-Pin 12V (P4)
•6x 4-Pin Peripheral
•2x SATA
•1x Floppy
Specifications


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April 17, 2010 12:17:17 AM

Yeah I'm trying to convince him that his 6 year old 500W might be ok for now, but not later.

He keeps saying he won't be upgrading/adding another card for at least 4-5 years (at which point he'll probably just do a new build).

How's the rest of the system though?

EDIT: Hmm it's a 5-6 year old PSU...is it possible to buy separate PCIe cables or will he have to get a new PSU?
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April 17, 2010 12:21:51 AM

That PSU brand is not something I would use on a production box...or anything really.

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I don't think he needs SATA 6 / USB 3 (he won't be upgrading for long time)


Reusing old HD's means that his system speed will be controlled by his old HD's. If he expects to get 4 years outta this....all the more reason to have storage upgrade capability......storage is cheap. You could add a card later, but that steals a slot.

I'd get this:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...


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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:22:26 AM


READ MY EDIT OF MY (JUST) PREVIOUS POST !
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April 17, 2010 12:24:34 AM

Ok so let's say he replaces his HD...I saw that motherboard, noticed the price + SATA6/USB3 and didn't think he'd need it. Any particular reason why he'd need it? I can get him to replace the HD, though I think it's already 7200 rpm.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:25:08 AM


Yeah .. The PSU is not appropriate, unless that Xeon connector can somehow power the GPU ... much doubt !

Go back and read my edited post ... 2 posts back!
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April 17, 2010 12:25:13 AM

I read your post Alvin, thanks, and I added an edit to my post right under yours :p 
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:26:13 AM

RAM, MOBO, video card, and CPU look good to me.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:28:24 AM

ALSO ... +1 on the HDDs ...

If they are old, they are not ONLY just slower ... they are, well, "old" ...

... By old, I do mean that it is a mechanical device that is (NOW) much more likely to fail sooner, rather than later ... Do you really want to recover from a total crash ?

... Take your old HDDs and transfer them to an external, USB2 enclosure, for backups... Don't leave the old drives running 24/7 ... unplug them unltil/unless you are actively performing a backup. That way, you can preserve the old drives, for backups, for many years.

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April 17, 2010 12:32:55 AM

Ok I added a new Mobo + PSU to the build list. If I add an HD, it'll be overbudget for sure.

If I leave the Gigabyte Mobo + get new HD + new PSU...I'll still be @roughly $950, which is too much.

But is there any reason as to why he should get the Asus SATA6/USB3? He won't be upgrading or CFing for at least 4 years, so it seems like a waste to me.

Also, Newegg/NCIX/Canadacomputers don't have 500GB Samsung F3s :( 
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April 17, 2010 12:33:56 AM

You're forgetting I'm from Canada :p  So price for that PSU is $110 or so.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:37:09 AM

CPU: i5-750 $208.99
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2GB CL7 DD3-1600 $123.50
Mobo: GIGABYTE GA-P55M-UD2 LGA 1156 Intel P55 <-- I don't think he needs SATA 6 / USB 3 (he won't be upgrading for long time). $109.99
GPU: Sapphire Vapor-X 5850 <--- Only $20 more than regular 5850. $339.99

TOTAL = $782.47

It all looks great ... not sure if the mobo is a "best choice", though ... You will definately want to go with a P55 Gigabyte or ASUS ... that much is for sure.

= Al =
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April 17, 2010 12:38:35 AM

Ok cool, assuming no one finds any flaws with that Gigabyte Mobo...after adding HD + PSU, total comes out to $950 BEFORE taxes/shipping, which will be overbudget :( 
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:45:20 AM

herbaltylenol said:
He keeps saying he won't be upgrading/adding another card for at least 4-5 years (at which point he'll probably just do a new build).

EDIT: Hmm it's a 5-6 year old PSU...is it possible to buy separate PCIe cables or will he have to get a new PSU?


Right ... He can add a MOLEX-to-6+2 pin adapter, for that one card ... should work fine, within rated specs.

But, WHY? ... He may not want to UPGRADE, for another 5 years BUT he sure is setting himself up for catastrophic failures (HDDs & PSU) ... As long as he understands this older stuff isn't designed to go beyond 5 years (honestly) ... PLUS ... HDDs and PSUs are THE MOST FAILURE PRONE components in the entire system ... If you look at the MTBF of PSUs, it is VERY SHORT, compared to the all digital, low-power, solid-state components.

PSUs get hot ... they have fans ... they accumulate "gunk" and just plain wear out, pretty fast.

I would not even expect the best Corsairs to last a full 10 years ... tho more than half (i.e. "on average"), will last that long.

= Al =
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 12:50:42 AM

Sorry to "bust your budget" but we must be realistic ...

... If you move to a fast AMD x3 proc, we can do WONDERS with the savings ! ! !

AM3-890GX ... Yup ... definately worth considering ! We can SHOW you !

= Al =
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April 17, 2010 12:51:04 AM

Alright, adding in the new PSU + HD and keeping the same Mobo will bring the price too high. Can you make any suggestions anywhere else?

The only reason I'm not going with the Asus P755D Mobo is because of the price. The Gigabyte mATX doesn't have SATA6/USB3 but I don't see any reason why my friend would need it. The Gigabyte seems cheap + good enough (imo).

Can't find anywhere else to cut the price though :( 
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April 17, 2010 12:51:47 AM

Could you maybe suggest something with AMD x3 then? I'll show him both builds.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 1:00:45 AM

Thought you would NEVER ask !!


... actually ... I knew it from the start. Folks come in thinking they want INTEL ... BUT ... When they total it all up and shave it down, many folks switch to AMD ... I am one of those people !

Calling all VALUE TECHS !!! (this is their cue .. and, MAN, are they good at what they do!)

CANADIAN BUILD! ... Please use newegg.ca !


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April 17, 2010 1:08:21 AM

I told my friend from the start that if he wanted a 5850 in his build, he should switch to an AMD build :p  I'll show him the final price for the intel build with new HD/PSU, and hopefully after we get a list posted here, I'll show him an AMD build.
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April 17, 2010 1:36:52 AM

I'll find some parts and link a new AMD build :p 
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 2:04:44 AM

I am really slow at builds and there are folks here that can run circles around me and just pull that stuff right outa their hats ... really good builds.

Sure wish Fang or Batuchka or gKay or The Admiral would show up and cut you a (Canadian) build. Would save me the trouble of getting "jumped".

= wink =
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April 17, 2010 3:02:46 AM

Best answer selected by herbaltylenol.
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April 17, 2010 3:03:18 AM

No problem Alvin, you helped a lot already. I'll make a new AMD build post either tonight or tomorrow morning.
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 3:23:07 AM

Wow! ... Thanks for the points ... but you really should have saved them for those who will come after me and cut you a really pretty final build ... now, I don't know if they will EVER drop in ... keep you fingers crossed.

... Do some lurking, here on the forum ... look for threads that say "$700~$1200 gaming build."

= Al = I'll keep an eye out ... Go for the best GPU you can, of course, and remember that all games really care about (as a modern minimum) is x3 cores at 3+GHz.

Look at Gigabyte and ASUS mobos with 890GX chipset.

= Al =
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a b B Homebuilt system
April 17, 2010 3:34:20 AM

cheaper would be a 790 class chipset with Athlon-II x3Core@3GHz+

better would be an 890GX chipset with Phenom-II x3Core (the fastest stock clock avail)

Best (for AMDs latest AM3 socket) would be the Gigabyte SATA6/USB3 890GX mobo ($140USD) and a Phenom-II 965 Black Edition x4Core (with C3 stepping) @3.4GHz.
(This is a 125Watt version of the 965BE and the PART# should contain "MBOX" near the end (not "IBOX")) ... This (C3) stepping (I am told) has a superior memory controller and more voltage overhead for better OC ... it would seem.
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