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June 25, 2010 1:10:49 AM

Will the AMD Phenom II X6 1090t bottleneck the 5970 if the CPU is overclocked to 3.8-4.0GHz? Running the 5970 at stock speeds. Thanks, I would really want to stay with AMD, not going to the Intel side :D  Even if there is some bottleneck, would it make a huge difference in frame rate?

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June 25, 2010 1:15:22 AM

it is more likely the 5970 will bottleneck the 1090T. oc it, and there is no chance.
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June 25, 2010 1:22:10 AM

ah yes, edit. haha, thanks for the reply
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June 25, 2010 1:22:38 AM

6 cores at 4.0ghz will not bottleneck a 6970, hope i cleared that up for you

if either is bottlenecked, the fps will be limited to the bottlenecker, and the 5970 bottleneck will not hold you back in any possible way
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June 25, 2010 1:25:44 AM

and you are worried about a bottleneck with a 1090T @ 4.0 with a 5970? the only "bottleneck" i for see is that we cant count that high :lol: 
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June 25, 2010 1:26:22 AM

xaira said:
6 cores at 4.0ghz will not bottleneck a 6970, hope i cleared that up for you

if either is bottlenecked, the fps will be limited to the bottlenecker, and the 5970 bottleneck will not hold you back in any possible way

Ok, then i'm good :) 
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June 25, 2010 1:27:03 AM

ares1214 said:
and you are worried about a bottleneck with a 1090T @ 4.0 with a 5970? the only "bottleneck" i for see is that we cant count that high :lol: 

:lol: 
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June 25, 2010 1:29:21 AM

do you already have all these parts?
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June 25, 2010 1:31:21 AM

ares1214 said:
do you already have all these parts?

No not yet
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June 25, 2010 1:35:57 AM

do you have a final build?
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June 25, 2010 1:37:23 AM

ares1214 said:
do you have a final build?

Yes i have my final build all planed out, I was going to build this month but couldn't afford it, next month, HOPEFULLY :??: 
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June 25, 2010 1:41:20 AM

are you buying from newegg?
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June 25, 2010 1:44:42 AM

ares1214 said:
are you buying from newegg?

Well, uhh maybe... I think.. no.. YES i love newegg :lol: 
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June 25, 2010 1:46:15 AM

hahaha, may i see your build? maybe i could help?
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June 25, 2010 1:51:30 AM

ares1214 said:
hahaha, may i see your build? maybe i could help?

Its my third build, but yeah.

An optical drive (don't really care bout em')
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Antec 1200
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Caviar Black, as always
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Crosshair IV, It has some NB heat probs sometimes but I know how to fix that.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

5970, the beast
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

1000w PSU, should go with an 850 but...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Some ram, compatible
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

zalman cooler, artic silver 5, windows 7, $2000 budget

P.S. i know its not perfect, I tweak some things sometimes
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June 25, 2010 2:00:21 AM

this is better, overall:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1840.92$ (im not sure if u need windows 7 and cooler, but it has the budget for it) you wont be xfiring a 5970, and if u do, idk if even a kilowatt is enough, so u might as well get just enough for 2 5870s, and more than enough for 1 5970. overall better though.
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June 25, 2010 2:07:00 AM

ares1214 said:
this is better, overall:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

final price is 1840.92$ (im not sure if u need windows 7 and cooler, but it has the budget for it) you wont be xfiring a 5970, and if u do, idk if even a kilowatt is enough, so u might as well get just enough for 2 5870s, and more than enough for 1 5970. overall better though.

Yes, thanks but.. I dont like MSI boards and really want an XFX branded video card, I love antec PSUs, never EVER had a problem with them, and antec cases, the 1200 is nice, I like the 800D but its a little to big for what I need, i'm not water cooling and I do not like that the 800D is intaking all of the air from the bottom, I love Asus, but not for video cards.. haha, my build is really based on brands and reviews :)  thanks for the suggestions anyways, I will use them if something goes out of stock or what not..
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June 25, 2010 2:08:31 AM

Oh yeah, ill use a 850 PSU for 5970 overclock and x 1090t overclock, want a little more room than 750, thanks though!!
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June 25, 2010 2:11:41 AM

I LOVE MSI! but thats understandable. and the case is actually the 700D, the smaller version, and its hard not to like corsair, corsair makes better and more reliable psus than antec actually, although both are no fail basically. heres an xfx 5970:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, dont forget my build has an ssd and a better hdd in it.
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June 25, 2010 2:13:37 AM

ares1214 said:
I LOVE MSI! but thats understandable. and the case is actually the 700D, the smaller version, and its hard not to like corsair, corsair makes better and more reliable psus than antec actually, although both are no fail basically. heres an xfx 5970:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

also, dont forget my build has an ssd and a better hdd in it.


this is true, but I really want to stay with the asus board, more OC features etc. I do love corsair but yeah.. and the 700D is the same size as the 800D, just without the windows and hot swap bays, same 24x24 inch though
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June 25, 2010 2:21:16 AM
June 25, 2010 3:00:57 PM


Thanks, ill go with this! But the hard drive has to be 6gb/s, I want to use the most out of my board. I will find one, thanks! Or am i wrong? XD one thing i'm not sure about is Sata Speeds and their compatibility...
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June 25, 2010 3:57:44 PM

the board supports sata 2 and sata 3, so you dont need a sata 3 drive, you just can if you want. and considering that most sata 3 hdds show no added performance over a sata 2 drive.
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June 25, 2010 4:29:58 PM

... I don't know what ^these guys are saying but a 1090T can definitely bottleneck that CPU based on how many cores the game takes advantage of.
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June 25, 2010 4:51:24 PM

a 1090T IS the cpu, so the cpu cant really bottleneck a cpu... :heink: 
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June 25, 2010 5:13:43 PM

GPU I meant - and you're still wrong. That CPU is very capable of bottlenecking that CPU. Like I said, depends how many cores the game uses.
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June 25, 2010 6:21:58 PM

werxen said:
GPU I meant - and you're still wrong. That CPU is very capable of bottlenecking that CPU. Like I said, depends how many cores the game uses.



you can invest in a typing class you know, and since he plans to have it at 4.0ghz, i dont see how 2 cores at 4.0ghz can bottleneck a 5970 because if the gane only uses 2 cores, then it cant be a very demanding game
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June 25, 2010 6:40:45 PM

5850



5970 @ 4ghz



5850



5970 @ 4ghz



Just something I've noticed.

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June 25, 2010 6:41:38 PM

xaira said:
you can invest in a typing class you know, and since he plans to have it at 4.0ghz, i dont see how 2 cores at 4.0ghz can bottleneck a 5970 because if the gane only uses 2 cores, then it cant be a very demanding game

Yes I will be overclocking it near 4.0GHz, even if there is a bottleneck, will it really make a difference?
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June 25, 2010 6:47:58 PM

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What resolution do you plan on gaming at with the purchase of the 5970?

Why are all the benchmarks linked ran without AA? Who plays without AA and at 1600 resolution these days?

1920x1080 or 1920x1200 I dont need a hundreds of frames, just above 60-70 and i'm good. AND I DONT PLAY CRYSIS XD
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June 25, 2010 7:00:43 PM


I have seen so many benchmarks, the 5970 is the best. I hate nVidia (sorry for all those NVIDIA fanboys out there) so yes it is worth it, its a dual GPU, and ill OC it a little.
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June 25, 2010 7:02:53 PM

and amd and ati play nicer :lol: 
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June 25, 2010 7:05:15 PM

ares1214 said:
and amd and ati play nicer :lol: 

Yeah, and dont turn into a space heater :lol: 
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June 25, 2010 7:35:05 PM

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:lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

I was waiting for that comment. 5970 will pull the same temps as that space heater so get ready. :lol: 

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nitially we were going to just run games. Then the article got more grandiose in scale and we included Furmark, ATITool, 3DMark Vantage, several stand alone game benchmarks, and of course games.

Furmark we ran for 5 minutes. Why 5 minutes? Furmark is unrealistic in thermal measurement of GPU's and bypasses normal GPU hardware and drives up temperatures. It's designed like Intel Burn for CPU's it heats them up as hot as they will go. You will never see a game or application that heats up your GPU like Furmark does. We don't like the program as it misleads a lot of people about the real temperatures you can expect from your GPU. As long as we are here we went ahead and ran Furmark on several GPU's and this is the only time we will looking at multiple GPU's in this article. Until later anyway when we toss this table back up.

Furmark Temperatures on Modern GPU's (Load)
Geforce GTX-480 96
Geforce GTX-470 95
Radeon HD 5970 95
Radeon HD 5870 92
Geforce GTX-295 92
Geforce GTX-285 91
Radeon HD 4870x2 86
Radeon HD 5850 81

Every GPU listed here is a stock reference speed GPU, none are overclocked, every one was tested in the same exact rig, same ambient temperature, same version of Furmark, same 30 minute run. So for what it is worth we could actually stop here and say stop whining about the GTX-480 temperatures. The HD 5970 was 1°C lower than the GTX-480 and the same temperature as the GTX-470. The HD 5870 was 4°C lower than the GTX-480. The GTX-285 was 5°C lower than the GTX-480. The HD 5870 will throttle at 100°C so it has 8°C left, the GTX-480 throttles at 105°C so it has 9°C left yet the screaming about the thermals on the GTX-480 were ripped apart. I don't remember anyone screaming about the 5870 or the 5970 yet they have less overhead to throttle than the GTX-480 and have far less transistors to service per core. Each core on the HD 5870 and HD5970 have 2.154 Billion Transistors and come within 4°C of the GTX-480 which supports 0.846 Billion or 846 Million more transistors.

It's a given that the die on the HD 5870 is smaller than Fermi's die size so in all fairness the HD 5870 is dissipating it's heat across a smaller die but what does that mean to the end user as far as heat goes. Nothing at all, what we care about is how hot it got not how hot it get's per square millimeter. (GTX-480 528mm², HD 5870 334mm² die size).

All that being said it's still by Furmark which presents unrealistic temperatures but since most of the review sites were reporting GTX-480 temperatures with Furmark we though we'd set the record straight. If you want to scream about temperatures do so in a fair manner. All the modern GPU's run hot in Furmark, Furmark is designed to run them hot and isn't representative of real life temperatures.

Haha but not as hot as a 480 :lol:  I am not going nvidia, thats just not going to happen.
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June 25, 2010 7:35:58 PM

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The best at what? Barely beating the 480 in games yet costing 250 dollars more? :lol: 

Not going with NVIDIA, I just wont.
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June 25, 2010 10:55:09 PM

Remember, the 5970 is usually able to run at 5870 clock speeds.

Nvidia sli scaling is awesome though. If I was to go nvidia i'd get 2 GTX 470s.

BUT, 5870 crossfire is on my list once prices drop. I'm happy and overkill most of my games as it is anyways (on 1080).

Anything above a 5870 on 1920x1200 and below is a waste IMO. Hell a single 4890 will max most games out there.
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June 25, 2010 11:00:13 PM

Raidur said:
Remember, the 5970 is usually able to run at 5870 clock speeds.

Nvidia sli scaling is awesome though. If I was to go nvidia i'd get 2 GTX 470s.

BUT, 5870 crossfire is on my list once prices drop. I'm happy and overkill most of my games as it is anyways (on 1080).

Anything above a 5870 on 1920x1200 and below is a waste IMO. Hell a single 4890 will max most games out there.

I am making a future proof PC, wont do video card/motherboard/cpu upgrades for awhile after I get it, i want this thing to last! :bounce: 
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June 25, 2010 11:38:30 PM

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The best at what? Barely beating the 480 in games yet costing 250 dollars more? :lol: 


And the OP can buy a 5870 for $360. The GTX480 barely beats the 5870 and costs $120-$140 more and uses way more electricity. Overclock the 5870, and it will perform equal to a GTX480.

It's all relative.
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June 25, 2010 11:45:05 PM

Bluescreendeath said:
And the OP can buy a 5870 for $360. The GTX480 barely beats the 5870 and costs $120-$140 more and uses way more electricity. Overclock the 5870, and it will perform equal to a GTX480.

It's all relative.

I'm getting a 5970 because I can, ill OC it to near 5870 speeds and then there come the frame rates :lol: 
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June 26, 2010 7:12:01 AM

Mr Pizza said:
I'm getting a 5970 because I can, ill OC it to near 5870 speeds and then there come the frame rates :lol: 


Unless you game at 2560 X 1600 or use multiple displays, there is really no need for that.
Now I'm not going to tell you what you should buy with your money. But my suggestion would be to get the 5870 or 480 (which give more than adequate frame rates anyway), use the left over $s & buy yourself an SSD. Atleast you'll see tangible benefits in terms of loading times, read/write times, etc.
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June 26, 2010 2:04:22 PM

ksampanna said:
Unless you game at 2560 X 1600 or use multiple displays, there is really no need for that.
Now I'm not going to tell you what you should buy with your money. But my suggestion would be to get the 5870 or 480 (which give more than adequate frame rates anyway), use the left over $s & buy yourself an SSD. Atleast you'll see tangible benefits in terms of loading times, read/write times, etc.

Well, as I said, I want this PC to be future proof. I know the 5870 will last for awhile, yeah, yeah. Maybe I'm not picking the best storage... but you know SSD prices are going down and I don't really want to spend 200 bucks for 100 gigs of storage, as time goes on they will be way less, Right now I have a 5400rpm drive that sucks, Ill be going to 7200rpm and a caviar black.. ill be happy :D  I just don't think an SSD is worth it, they're good, but not for the money. I wouldn't take down my video card for a drive. Thanks though :D 
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June 26, 2010 3:15:00 PM

dont get a caviar black, the samsung F3 is way safer, faster, cooler, quieter, and cheaper.
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June 26, 2010 3:27:36 PM

ares1214 said:
dont get a caviar black, the samsung F3 is way safer, faster, cooler, quieter, and cheaper.

Cooling isn't a prob and i don't mind noise, its 3GB/s sata and has less cache so, nah :D 
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June 26, 2010 3:31:22 PM

6 gb/s makes no difference, and its has 32mb, more than enough. it IS faster, and by a lot, and cheaper...and the 2 things you dont care about lol
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June 26, 2010 5:14:39 PM

ares1214 said:
6 gb/s makes no difference, and its has 32mb, more than enough. it IS faster, and by a lot, and cheaper...and the 2 things you dont care about lol

Meh.
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June 26, 2010 7:56:29 PM

i know, we all love WD for reliability and all, but the F3 is by far the better hdd.
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June 26, 2010 8:08:22 PM

ares1214 said:
i know, we all love WD for reliability and all, but the F3 is by far the better hdd.

Well oh well. :kaola: 
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