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[ASK] I want to change VGA card, which is better, HD 4670, or 9600GT?

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March 25, 2010 2:05:42 PM

Title tell it all, I have a pretty crapped rig, here there are :

Core 2 Duo E7400
1GB RAM DDR2 800MHz (I know, this is the most important thing to change)
GIGABYTE Geforce 9400GT 1GB 128bit
330GB HDD

I know the real things to change on my rig is the RAM, but I need the VGA first, and I think I can only go up to 9600GT, or HD 4670...

Yeah, I`m a gamer, but actually I don`t have a 1280x1024 monitor, I just have 19" LCD with 1360x768 res, and it should be fine...

BTW, can I play the game with PhysX with HD 4670 very well? Because I`m afraid if I change to HD 4670, some of my favorite games are using PhysX, (TLR using PhysX, isn`t?)

And With this crappy VGA card, I can roughly play BFBC2 on medium setting, but I turned the BLOOM OFF...

I just want to play 2007-2010 games with high settings, with no LAG, artifacts, I only need that...

Please give me advice, I want a VGA card that can play 2010 Games with high settings on my LCD, but my PSU is a real CRAP too... It comes from the casing, and it`s 480W (I dunno how much the PURE is)

Sorry for the rough english, but I really want a good experience on playing games!

:D 
a c 147 U Graphics card
March 25, 2010 2:12:32 PM

The 9600GT will outperform the 4670 every time (maybe one or two exceptions). HOWEVER, I would snatch up a 5670 which would be an even better option, and it would be fine with your current power supply.

Here is a good deal.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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March 25, 2010 2:30:54 PM

thanks, I`m in short of credit btw... and 5670 is still expensive here, it said it will be lower than 100$, but IN FACT, it`s almost 150$ here...
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a c 147 U Graphics card
March 25, 2010 3:07:59 PM

oh wow, i'd go for a 9600GT then.
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March 25, 2010 3:14:29 PM

erm... Can you advice me for some manufacturer?

I wanted Sapphire HD 4670 Arctic Cooling, but I dunno when I can take that card...

At least, I don`t want to use gigabyte card, I waste almost 70$ for just a crappy-sh*t card with lower performance than 9500GT that priced 50$...

BTW, is XFX good manufacturer for Radeon cards??
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a b U Graphics card
March 25, 2010 3:14:55 PM

@gearsofwars99,
Does your PSU comes with 6PIN PCIe power connector? If yes, not problem. But if not, find the green version of the 9600GT which do not need a PCIe 6PIN connector. If you can not find it, then go for the HD4670 which do not need 6PIN power connector at all...
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March 25, 2010 3:22:51 PM

randomkid said:
@gearsofwars99,
Does your PSU comes with 6PIN PCIe power connector? If yes, not problem. But if not, find the green version of the 9600GT which do not need a PCIe 6PIN connector. If you can not find it, then go for the HD4670 which do not need 6PIN power connector at all...


I am sorry, but actually I`m still "Blind" at things called PSU...

I got focused to CPU, RAM, and VGA when I bought this RiG... And that`s why... I lack knowledge of PSU, :( 
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2010 12:32:27 AM

The PSU is the Power Supply Unit that provides power to all components. Generic or OEM PSUs for prebuilt systems will have 2 connectors that goes to the mobo, 1 4x 4PIN and 1x24PINs. Then there are SATA, IDE and molex connectors to power the other parts. Most branded PSU's will have the 6 and 8 PIN PCIe connectors that goes to video cards.
If you are unsure about your PSU then just get the HD4670. It is better bang for back anyway and don't need to worry about the PCIe connector.
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March 26, 2010 1:28:37 AM

randomkid said:
The PSU is the Power Supply Unit that provides power to all components. Generic or OEM PSUs for prebuilt systems will have 2 connectors that goes to the mobo, 1 4x 4PIN and 1x24PINs. Then there are SATA, IDE and molex connectors to power the other parts. Most branded PSU's will have the 6 and 8 PIN PCIe connectors that goes to video cards.
If you are unsure about your PSU then just get the HD4670. It is better bang for back anyway and don't need to worry about the PCIe connector.


allright... thanks for the info...

But correc me IF i`m wrong, when I open the casing, I don`t see any cable except the cable that connect VGA to LCD (DVI?) and that`s all I see, so :

VGA itself connected to PCI-e slot, and no cables connected to it...

I`m sorry, but I`m really newbie here... :( 
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a b U Graphics card
March 26, 2010 10:46:06 AM

This is because the 9400GT is low powered VGA and does not require power cable since it draws power from the motherboard.

The HD4670 is like this although it performs much better than the 9400GT. The next ATI card series like HD4770 or even the higher ones will require PCIe power cable.

This link will show you how the different connectors from the PSU looks like:
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors....
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March 26, 2010 11:39:40 AM

randomkid said:
This is because the 9400GT is low powered VGA and does not require power cable since it draws power from the motherboard.

The HD4670 is like this although it performs much better than the 9400GT. The next ATI card series like HD4770 or even the higher ones will require PCIe power cable.

This link will show you how the different connectors from the PSU looks like:
http://www.playtool.com/pages/psuconnectors/connectors....


Alright, thanks again...
Hm... I just thinked that I better save my money, maybe in the next year I can bought a more better VGA card than 4670...

Emm... so now, do Core 2 Duo will bottleneck if I use HD 4850??
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 26, 2010 11:51:01 AM

I would recommend getting more ram first and saving up some more for a better card that will last you a while. A lot of current games are going to be severely limited by only having 1 gig.
The HD4850 would be a good choice if your power supply can handle the card. The HD4770/GTS 250/HD5750 are others to look at for something that will be very good for your resolution. The HD4670/9600GT would be fine but not great and you would probably end up wanting another upgrade sooner rather than later.
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March 26, 2010 12:48:33 PM

jyjjy said:
I would recommend getting more ram first and saving up some more for a better card that will last you a while. A lot of current games are going to be severely limited by only having 1 gig.
The HD4850 would be a good choice if your power supply can handle the card. The HD4770/GTS 250/HD5750 are others to look at for something that will be very good for your resolution. The HD4670/9600GT would be fine but not great and you would probably end up wanting another upgrade sooner rather than later.


I agree... But if I upgrade to HD 4770 or HD 4850...

I must know, if I change to HD 4850, it looks like bottleneck will happen, and looks like my PSU is no way could handle it
But If I want to change 4770, after I bought the card, then my PSU cannot handle it... It will cost me more...

Is there any program that let us know, how much the "pure" of our PSU is??
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 26, 2010 6:57:00 PM

Just tell us the brand/model of the power supply. If it isn't on the back of the unit(it's the part where the power cord plugs in) then you will need to take off the side of the computer. On the side of the PSU there will be a chart with the relevant info.
It's possible you wont be able to handle any of the cards I listed(although the HD4770 and HD5750 are pretty low power) but we wont know without that info. Really it's necessary to know such info to tell you if it can even handle the HD4670 or 9600GT.
As for a CPU bottleneck don't worry about it. The e7400 is 2.8ghz at stock which is still ok. Also if possible you could overclock that processor fairly easily up to 3.3-3.5ghz just with the stock cooler, but that's another discussion.
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March 27, 2010 10:46:04 AM

jyjjy said:
Just tell us the brand/model of the power supply. If it isn't on the back of the unit(it's the part where the power cord plugs in) then you will need to take off the side of the computer. On the side of the PSU there will be a chart with the relevant info.
It's possible you wont be able to handle any of the cards I listed(although the HD4770 and HD5750 are pretty low power) but we wont know without that info. Really it's necessary to know such info to tell you if it can even handle the HD4670 or 9600GT.
As for a CPU bottleneck don't worry about it. The e7400 is 2.8ghz at stock which is still ok. Also if possible you could overclock that processor fairly easily up to 3.3-3.5ghz just with the stock cooler, but that's another discussion.


I don`t know if this brand of PSU is exist in other country... but dont laugh, okay :) 

POWER UP
AS-480W P4

AC Input : 220/110VAC 50-60Hz 2/4A
Fuse Rating : F 6.3A 250VAC

DC OUTPUT MAX

+3.3V | +5V | +12V | -5V | -12V | +5VSB
25A | 35A | 18A | 0.5A | 0.8A | 3A
480W

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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 2:05:16 PM

18 amps on the +12v rail isn't very good but I think it should still be able to handle an HD4770 or HS5750 along with the HD4670/9600GT.
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March 27, 2010 2:24:27 PM

jyjjy said:
18 amps on the +12v rail isn't very good but I think it should still be able to handle an HD4770 or HS5750 along with the HD4670/9600GT.


Hmm... tell me more...
I don`t understand why there`s a minus there...
and do you know how much the pure is??
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 2:25:30 PM

Minus?
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March 27, 2010 3:36:40 PM

-12V

the one looks like that... :) 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 4:11:23 PM

The -12v rail isn't important really. It's the +12v rail that powers the video card along with the majority of the other important components in the computer.
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March 27, 2010 7:16:51 PM

Upgrade the ram first (as you said most important) then I would get a 4670 hands down for that system. I own one and love it.
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 7:31:48 PM

The HD4670 like the 9600GT would be good but not great. If you don't want to change the PSU I would recommend the HD5670 as the best choice for low resolutions.
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March 30, 2010 6:27:48 AM

sorry for late rep...

what about 5750? or 5750?
can my PSU still handle them,??

Altough 4850 will be fine for me, but I just want to play with this PC to 5 years later...

can I?
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 6:42:09 AM

I think it should work, but it is pushing it. That can shorten the lifespan of PSUs but then again being forced to replace that PSU wouldn't necessarily be a bad thing.
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March 30, 2010 11:20:40 AM

ehm... then what should I choose?? My parents always mad at me if i tell them about my PC... :( 

5750 isn`t bad i think... but if I choose 5670 I afraid that 5670 just cannot satisfy me...
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 11:45:27 AM

Well the problem with the HD5750 is that it's a bit pricey for what you get. Ordinarily I wouldn't recommend it as the HD5770 is a much better value for only very slightly more but that would be pushing things a bit too far for that PSU. Those are US prices however. I have no idea if that applies where you are.
Really the HD5670 should be very good at your resolution, especially if you OC it(it tends to OC around 10%.)
Keep in mind that your current card is just terrible for gaming. Even the HD5670 will be roughly 4 times faster;
http://www.techpowerup.com/reviews/HIS/Radeon_HD_5670_I...
If that sounds good enough to you then just save some money and play it safe with the PSU. Perhaps you can also use the price difference to get another gig of ram. 1 gb simply does not cut it for current games.
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March 30, 2010 12:10:29 PM

ehm... my resolution is only 1360x768...

but after think it again... you`re right... I don`t need an very powerful card on this resolution, but now, I think about the bit...

I hate to say, "bit" problem makes me mad, is there any 5670 that is 256bit?

does it better to buy 512MB, but 128bit, or 1GB, but 256 bit??
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 12:19:23 PM

Don't worry about the 128-bit bus. The card uses DDR5 ram which is twice as fast. This means the memory bandwidth(the important part) is the same as 256-bit + DDR3. Also ignore the amount of memory. At your resolution more than 512mb is pretty much entirely useless even if these cards where powerful enough to use more effectively, which they aren't. Only go for the 1gb version if it is the same price as the 512mb.
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March 30, 2010 1:28:01 PM

Ehm... okay... and I think I`ll get that card... maybe the next year I`ve already got that card...

No problem with my PSU as well, right?
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 1:40:58 PM

gearsofwars99 said:
ehm... then what should I choose?? My parents always mad at me if i tell them about my PC... :( 

They shouldn't be... I am a parent myself and got two teenage kids for whom I build one PC each.
It is a good way to keep them home. :) 
Today I am bringing home 750GB HD and 2GB memory stick upgrade for each.
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March 30, 2010 2:25:20 PM

randomkid said:
They shouldn't be... I am a parent myself and got two teenage kids for whom I build one PC each.
It is a good way to keep them home. :) 
Today I am bringing home 750GB HD and 2GB memory stick upgrade for each.


I hope my parents are like you, not because the upgrade, but parents should understand PC needs, Who want to keep using a PENTIUM 3 PC on 2009? It`s a fail... FAIL...
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 4:28:45 PM

gearsofwars99 said:
I hope my parents are like you, not because the upgrade, but parents should understand PC needs, Who want to keep using a PENTIUM 3 PC on 2009? It`s a fail... FAIL...

This really makes me lol... :D 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:10:51 PM

gearsofwars99 said:
Ehm... okay... and I think I`ll get that card... maybe the next year I`ve already got that card...

No problem with my PSU as well, right?

Yeah, the PSU should be fine for the HD5670. It's very low power.
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