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April 17, 2010 7:29:36 PM

Cooler Master HAF932 High Air Flow Full Tower -139.99 at microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply -89.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

these 2 i'm pretty sure on

now for graphic card:
XFX HD-585X-ZAFC Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ Eyefinity -300 at newegg
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or this one:
MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card -159.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

regarding the graphic card... at the moment i have a 22inch monitor but eventually might upgrade to a 28 inch or above.. i do want to play games like modern warfare2 with good fps (100) but my question about graphic card is... if i can play modern warfare2 with very good frame rate... and both of these provide good picture quality.... then what is the benefit of buying the 300 dollar gpu vs the 170 dollar gpu? only thing is one allows higher resolutions? (but higher resolution doesn't = better image quality right?)
i do want to use the machine to do some 3d character design and animation.. but for these things, it's mostly about the cpu and ram. which is why i'm debating whether to go for the more expensive gpu or the less expensive one. if i can play a high quality game and have very good image result for gaming and 3d work, then i might as well save the money and get the less expensive gpu and spend more money on the cpu and ram? anyway, i still dont quite understand the pros of having a really good gpu vs a decent one. hopefully someone will explain that to me lachen

now, i was thinking of getting this processor:

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core -179.99 at microcenter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but then i see these, and they are i7. first of all why is this i7 only 20 bucks more than the i5? and what about this other i7. it's not really THAT much more either. which of these 3 should i go for?

Intel Core i7 860 Processor Boxed -229.99 at microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

Core i7-930 Processor Boxed -199.99 at microcenter
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

motherboard:
still open to suggestions... but one that has crossfirex or both crossfirex/sli support, sata3, maybe even usb3... low temp... many slots for memory... looking for one around 180-190 or 200 the highest.

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April 17, 2010 9:28:32 PM

I agree With Flyboy. We'd All be glad to help, just make it easier for for us to do so.

For MOBO i would go with anything Gigabyte

Good Luck Keep us posted :D 
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April 17, 2010 11:42:22 PM

Aproximate purchase date: within a week or two

Price Range: 900-1200 (before or after rebate)

System Usage: It will be my everyday usage computer, but i will like to be able to play modern warfare 2, and lastly, i will be using it to do some 3d character modeling, rendering, and some low level animation work with poser, 3dstudiomax, or cinema 4d (but from what i hear, for rendering, it's mostly the cpu and ram that matters, not the graphic card)

Parts Not required: keyboard, mouse, speakers, monitors, os

Preferred web site for parts: newegg, tigerdirect, microcenter (but really, whichever is the cheapest) i did find a few parts at microcenter that seem to have lower prices than newegg and i can always just go there and pick them up, while ordering the rest.

Brand Preference: doesn't matter, as long as it's reputable and solid.

Overclocking: no (perhaps in the future)

Prefer: either SLI or CrossfireX or both supported

Monitor resolution: currently i have hg216d hdmi hanns.g it's a 22inch lcd widescreen (only 75hz) max resolution at 1680x1050 here is the specs:
http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2280014,00.asp
but i do plan on upgrading in maybe the distant future though.. maybe a 28 inch or 30 inch hopefully.

additional comment: prefer a quiet system, good ventilation.
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update:
actually i'm thinking of getting an 1366 motherboard instead of the 1156 now. i figure i might as well get a motherboard that support i7, but also has 6 slots now, so in the future all i would have to do is add more ram. 'cuz the price for this motherboard isn't that much higher than the 1156 to begin with

windows 7 64bit

Western Digital Caviar Black WD1001FALS 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive -99.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply $89.99
from newegg

Cooler Master HAF932 High Air Flow Full Tower $139.99
from microcenter (lower price than newegg's)

MSI X58 Pro-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
3-Way SLI, CFX ready, EZOC + True Blu-ray audio" $189.00
this one has 6 slots and can hold 24 gigs of ram, so i figured it would be a good one to go if i ever want more ram in the future.
from newegg

memory:
is 4 gigs enough? for making stuff in poser and importing that into more advanced software for render? what about for poser based animation? if i want to make my poser character animated?

if 4 gigs is plenty, it would probably make more sense to just buy 1 stick of 4gig ram... so in the future if i want to max out the ram and go 24 gigs of ram, then i could just buy more 4 gigs sticks instead of wasting a 1gig or 2 gig stick right?

graphic card:
was originally thinking of getting this one:
MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card -159.99
from newegg

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Now this card seems to have amazing review... and will allow me to play high end games just fine, and since for my 3d rendering, the graphic card seems to be less important than cpu and ram, this seems like a good choice.. however... it can only support 1 monitor though. and right now i have mroe than 1 monitor. and in the future when i do upgrade my monitors, i would love to get two 28 inch or two 30inch monitors. so this is quite a predicament.

and for the processor, most likely an intel core i7 930

although here comes another confusion

here are one i am looking at:

Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 {color=blue ! important}{color=blue ! important}Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA
1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop {color=blue ! important}{color=blue ! important}Processor - $289.99

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

now. i found an Intel core i7 930 at microcenter, however the price is dramatically different.

Core i7-930 Processor Boxed - $199.99
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

i checked the specs. and they both seem the same. except at newegg it specifies that it's a bloomfield... however, it does not say what the core is at microcenter.. now i know for the i5 processor, there's different names such as lynnfield, clarkfield... and these prices differ... so i'm just wondering if these two listed products are really one and the same.... what are these different names? do they mean anything?

'cuz if they're the same, the i7 i found at microcenter is a really really good deal.
April 18, 2010 5:32:22 AM

just realized this:
MSI X58 Pro-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard
3-Way SLI, CFX ready, EZOC + True Blu-ray audio
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

THIS GRAPHIC CARD SAYS PCI Express 2.1... BUT THE MOTHERBOARD I SELECED SAYS 3 x PCI Express 2.0 x16 slots (operates at 16x/16x/4x)

ONE IS 2.0 ONE IS 2.1 .. does this mean they are not compatible or something? help!!!
April 18, 2010 5:37:46 AM

They are compatible, just like a 1.0 PCI Express card is compatible with a 2.0 slot
April 18, 2010 6:09:55 AM

oh. why the different numbers though.. 2.1 is supposed to be faster? 'cuz the motherboard has a slower pci slot (2.0), and the grapihc card that will go on it is 2.1
April 18, 2010 10:58:21 AM

Hello :hello: 

It will hamper the performance of the graphics card slightly. but there will be no compatibility issues.

thanx for setting out your system properly. it just makes everything easier.

I would also go for the 1366 option... my hunch is intel are going to develop octacore's and pentacore's on that platform.

Your Graphics card sounds like a good buy but if your willing to spend just a tiny bit more you should go for a 5830 or a 5850.

I would also suggest more than 4 gb ram for an i7 machine (3 X 2GB chips to get tri-Banking) six GB's ought to do you fine...

As for MOBO im a Gigabyte Fan boy (never had one die on me even @ 2200+ Mhz FSB) Plainly For their Build Quality and Ultra durable technology + some of the newer gigabyte Mobo's Have SATA 3 And USB 3 And probably will have PCIe 2.1.

IF you want to figure out what the Intel codenames mean, check out their website

Or at one of the links below
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Intel_codenames
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Intel_Nehalem_%28microarch...
http://ark.intel.com

Sounds Like it is gonna be a beast machine!

Good Luck and keep us updated!:D 

Edit = Gigabyte paragraph + link
April 18, 2010 3:05:11 PM

First off socket type is personal preference, I don't think either socket is going to have much of a future. 1366 is meant for triple channel memory like fisshy said. It is fine to run dual channel but then you are losing out on one of the x58 platform's advantages. I would not suggest using just one stick, you probably will never need 24gb of memory unless you are doing major rendering. The advantage of the 1366 socket over the 1156 is having triple channel memory and having 2 pci express slots that run at x16, great if you plan on running multiple graphics cards. Otherwise the processors (i7 930 and i7 860) are nearly identical.

Second the hawk 5770 is a great card and actually can run up to three monitors with eyefinity but it would probably not cut it for gaming across three monitors. If you would like to game with any more than two monitors or one high resolution monitor I would highly suggest either getting two 5770's or getting a 5850. Don't worry about the 2.0 slots a 5770 is fully compatible with pci x 2.0 and it will not come close to saturating the bandwidth of x16.

Lastly the processors from newegg and microcenter are the exact same. Take advantage of microcenter's deals on processors, they have great prices.

I'll let you decide on your final components, hopefully i answered most of your questions. Good luck!


(Quick note since somebody else is bound to say it on here the samsung spinpoint F3 1TB is faster and cheaper)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185
April 18, 2010 7:43:54 PM

just picked up half of my components from microcenter:

cooler master haf 932
intel i7 core 930
western digital caviar black 7200rpm 1tb internal hd
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just have to finalize the rest of the components:

CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
is 750 enough? and is this a good one? or can somone suggest a better power supply?

MSI R5770 Hawk Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

motherboard (1366)
memory chip set 3x(2gigs ddr3 ram) = 6 gigs


still trying to figure out what motherboard and memory chip sets to get though. i was initially going to buy this motherboard:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but then i realized it doesn't support ddr3 1600 ram chips. =\ so now i'm debating whether or not i should get a better board that can handle 1600 ram cihps.

maybe this one?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
or does anyone know of any better motherboards?

what's the difference between using 1300 ddr3 vs 1600 ddr3?
April 19, 2010 3:50:18 PM

DDR3 1600 MHZ ram will support a higher FSB. I would suggest going for the DDR3 1600. :D 

Congrats On your New RIG, Good Luck
April 19, 2010 4:27:32 PM

still looking into a motherboard though. one that supports 1600 without overclock, 1366, etc
April 19, 2010 6:24:26 PM

I would Go for the Gigabyte X58A-UD7
Good Stable Mobo. Tri Channel Memory With Up to 2100Mhz Support (?)
4 X PCIe 2.1 Support (3 @ 16X. 1 @ 8X)
Good Value For Money And a watercooling ready Northbridge

More Specs and Comments :
http://www.giga-byte.co.uk/Products/Motherboard/Product...



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