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April 17, 2010 11:28:22 PM

hi

I want a new PC to work with blender soft and adobe cs5...

I thought in this hardware.

Asus P6T SE
Gskill DDR3 PC12800 Trident 6GB cas6 (low cas is the best for rendering, right?)
PNY Quadro FX580 512MB PCI-E
Western Digital 500GB SATA II
Intel Core i7 920 SLBEJ
Arctic Cooling Silentium T
Samsung 18.5' 933SN -

Is best the i7920 or i7930? in rendering, justifies the difference in price ?
Suggestions please

More about : blender cs5

April 18, 2010 6:46:30 AM


Your build is fairly balanced and informed ... it will "work", for your needs.

I will say that I do not see it as "price-optimum" but I would have to get into your head, far more, to give you advice that will truly help YOU get where you "need to be."

First off ... I did not see a budget ...

Have you totalled up the cost of all the components that you have speccified, thus far? ... Caosted out Windows and all your software tools ?

Second ... I have to say ... for what you want to do ... for your chosen sw tools ... I don't care HOW good your eyes are ... That LCD is WAY DAMMED TOO SMALL !!! ... It would be pointless to use that mon (as a primary) for any graphics or edit build, PERIOD.

That is just the very begginning. I can jump all over this, if you want me to, but if you don't have the sense to put MORE money into your primary display then I would just be wasting my time . . . wouldn't I ?

Your specs (above) are missing a power supply (too early to suggest one) ... I know CAS7 will work with that proc but CAS6? ... Might be "too tight" ... leave yourself some breathing room, unless you are an OC expert.

Case? Future Migration Plan? Student? Pro? .. For work? .. Related Cash-flow?

You are also missing an optical drive and your HDD needs to be swapped out.

= etc. !!! =

April 18, 2010 3:22:29 PM

hi, thanks for reply

I have a samsung 933, and my ideia is buy another one, and use two displays in same PC. so, i have a 40 inches, widescreen, in total.

In this moment i'm a professional graphic,

I change the plan that i had proposed.

Asus P7P55D -140,00€ (i need firewire)
Samsung 18.5' 933SN -114€/ i have another one
Intel Core i7 860 -258€
Western Digital 500GB SATA II 57.20€
Arctic Cooling Silentium T2 € 49,90€ - have a power supply 550F
PNY Quadro FX580 512MB PCI-E -195€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€

1050€ total

i decided change the list, because, in this plan i have more ram and more MHZ in the cpu.

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/cpu-2009-summary-p2.h...

so, what is your opinion about this hardware?

Thanks :) 
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April 18, 2010 5:28:05 PM

Quote:
Second ... I have to say ... for what you want to do ... for your chosen sw tools ... I don't care HOW good your eyes are ... That LCD is WAY DAMMED TOO SMALL !!! ... It would be pointless to use that mon (as a primary) for any graphics or edit build, PERIOD.

+1.
18.5" is too small for any photo editing work imo, even with 2 LCD set up. You need at least a 22-24" for photo editing work on your primary LCD imo.

Anyways, what's the budget? How complex are your renderings?

That WD 500GB looks like it's the older version. Try and get a Samsung F3 500GB/1TB.

Also, WHAT EXACT PSU model? DO NOT EVER SKIMP ON THE PSU. Get a quality unit from Corsair, Antec, Seasonic, PC Power & Cooling or XFX.

April 18, 2010 6:05:07 PM

What is the diference in these HD drives? F3 500GB vs western 500?

I work with blender soft and i use external render Kerkythea. I need rendering short movies, photorealistics renders, etc

What is your suggestion for display? low price...
April 18, 2010 7:27:48 PM

I couldn't find much info on that PSU. So, I still recommend you get a quality unit from Corsair or Antec.

Quote:
What is your suggestion for display? low price...

What's your budget just for the LCD and any links to stores over there? Cant help you out much... as this is the US Forums. You may want to look at the UK Toms Hardware Forums.
April 18, 2010 10:39:06 PM

Get a 27.5" or 28" LCD with 5 millisec refresh (as a primary) and turn that 18" sideways (portrait mode) ... You use the vertical 18" mon for media bins and toolbars and such ... Off to one side.

PNY Quadro / nVidia drivers will let you do that.

= Alvin =
April 18, 2010 10:46:20 PM

I'm from portugal...so my objective is know what is the best hardware for 3d applications/design/etc but the price must be the same or a bit more expansible.

So, in this config, total is 1050.00€, more or less 919 pounds. Therefore my budget is about 900/1000 pouds

Asus P7P55D -140,00€ (i need firewire)
Samsung 23'' 2343NW 186€
Intel Core i7 860 -258€
Western Digital 500GB SATA II 57.20€
Arctic Cooling Silentium T2 € 49,90€ - have a power supply 550F
PNY Quadro FX580 512MB PCI-E -195€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€

First thing i change the display for this Samsung 23'' 2343NW (186€)
About PSU 550F, i think this list of hardware don't consume much, the graphic card spends 40w...

i don't have much money, and if a want a 23'' display i don't have money for new PSU and BOX.

Do you think which that PSU does not serve for the purpose?
April 18, 2010 11:10:09 PM

Well ... you are starting to "get it" ...

You must first be able to "see" your work ... even more, in graphics work.

So what if your system is a little bit slower ... as long as you can "see your product".

I think the Samsung will get the job done. Do you people have Wal-marts or Target(TM) stores (we call them "Big Box" discount stores ... like a big warehouse) ?? Sometimes I see decent displays for good prices, in those stores. No shipping, either.

[:bilbat:5]

April 18, 2010 11:25:39 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Well ... you are starting to "get it" ...

You must first be able to "see" your work ... even more, in graphics work.

So what if your system is a little bit slower ... as long as you can "see your product".

I think the Samsung will get the job done. Do you people have Wal-marts or Target(TM) stores (we call them "Big Box" discount stores ... like a big warehouse) ?? Sometimes I see decent displays for good prices, in those stores. No shipping, either.

[:bilbat:5]


Thanks for the reply Alvin

You are right...

The problem is that higher 24'', the price is more expensive that i can pay :D 

But i have money for this samsung 23'' or maybe 24''.

now, what is your opinion about the config i had suggest ?

Do you change anything?

Thanks

April 19, 2010 12:46:32 AM

Everything appears to be "appropriate". System will do the job. That is the correct proc for your toolset.

Me? ... I would definately go AMD for the proc and mobo

... and 2x9800GT-EEs but that is me and I have lots of sources (can get anything easily).

= Alvin =
April 19, 2010 4:50:16 AM

felito_ said:
hi, thanks for reply

I have a samsung 933, and my ideia is buy another one, and use two displays in same PC. so, i have a 40 inches, widescreen, in total.

In this moment i'm a professional graphic,

I change the plan that i had proposed.

Asus P7P55D -140,00€ (i need firewire)
Samsung 18.5' 933SN -114€/ i have another one
Intel Core i7 860 -258€
Western Digital 500GB SATA II 57.20€
Arctic Cooling Silentium T2 € 49,90€ - have a power supply 550F
PNY Quadro FX580 512MB PCI-E -195€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€
Gskill DDR3 PC-12800 ECO 4GB - 115€

1050€ total

i decided change the list, because, in this plan i have more ram and more MHZ in the cpu.

http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/cpu-2009-summary-p2.h...

so, what is your opinion about this hardware?

Thanks :) 


Couple of things that I don't think people have mentioned yet. Quite frankly I'm quite astounded that no one has mentioned them.

1. Most people on this forum will recommend you an i7 920 over pretty much anything else, and there's a good reason for that. If you have the money, an i7 920 will be a good investment. It will allow you to use triple channel RAM (which the i7 8xx's) will not, and because it is slot 1366 instead of 1156, it will allow to upgrade down the road should you need to. Having lots of fast RAM will benefit a system that is going to be used heavily for graphics/rendering. That said, if this would put you over budget, an i7 860 isn't a bad choice, but don't for a second think that "More Mhz = always better." That is not always the case. Come to think of it, for that kind of budget, you might be able to get more out of an AMD system....let me see if I can put something together.

2.Doesn't look like anyone's answered this yet, but the reason you would get a SpinPoint F3 over that WD drive is purely speed. The SpinPoint F3's (and the Seagate 7200.12s too btw) use a one platter design and therefore are among the fastest drives in their price range. Basically, you are getting something close to Velociraptor speed for about half the price. Check out the hard drive benchmarks in the Charts section of this website.

3. You aleady have a PSU...from where? Out of another computer? How old is it? What brand? Was it used for long? You do NOT want to skimp on the PSU. I, and many others, have learned that the hard way.
April 19, 2010 9:03:14 AM

see the comparative test http://ixbtlabs.com/articles3/cpu/cpu-2009-summary-p2.h...

In this graphic i7860 have a better performance than i7920, but i7930 i don' t no.

The level of ram it seems have low importance...in rendering of course.

In case f3, this HD have 16 buffer, and WD 32, nevertheless is the best?! i' m going do a research. :wahoo: 

The box have already a PSU (550F)

http://cgi.ebay.de/NETZTEIL-500-WATT-SEASONIC-ArcticCoo... is the same model.

Are best the performance of two 9800GT-EEs in sli mode VS quadro FX580??? The price is the same.

April 19, 2010 9:11:28 AM


A socket 1366 (920/930) would blow your budget completely out of the water.

I am guilty of not always reading the whole thread carefully before I shoot off my mouth and give wrong advice ... I think that may be the case with "dj", here.

= Al = AMD 965? ... upgrade to 6-core later.


April 19, 2010 12:33:03 PM

how i can upgrade to 6-core later?? buy another CPU?!!

Do you think that AMD 965 is best choice ? The performance is lower comparatively i7860, but is cheap and equal performance i7960 in the graphic.

what MotherBoard you suggest for AMD 965?


and

Quote:
Are best the performance of two 9800GT-EEs in sli mode VS quadro FX580??? The price is the same.
What do you think?

Thanks Alvin

April 19, 2010 1:13:29 PM

Actually ... A 955 would be enough for what you are doing ($20US cheaper).

Hip value techs spend the extra money on a hyper-212 cooler ...

... Mobo ?? for a 955 or 965 ?? ...

I am doing a video edit build ... much the same req's as your own ... I'll just dump some of the pertinent links from my shopping cart, here :


GIGABYTE GA-890GPA-UD3H AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard ($140 USD)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
($115)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler ($35)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

April 19, 2010 1:26:41 PM


Get two of either model of these drives ... use one for boot/apps ... the other for media content and archives and scratch.

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 500GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB 3.5" SATA 3.0Gb/s Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive


These are the only two models I recommend ... there are also One Terabyte models of each.

April 19, 2010 2:25:54 PM

Alvin Smith said:
A socket 1366 (920/930) would blow your budget completely out of the water.

I am guilty of not always reading the whole thread carefully before I shoot off my mouth and give wrong advice ... I think that may be the case with "dj", here.

= Al = AMD 965? ... upgrade to 6-core later.


If you look at what I wrote, it specifically says that you should get an i7 920 if your budget will allow, but that if it doesn't an i7 860 isn't a bad choice, and that an AMD build would actually probably be better for the budget. My comment about the 920 was moreso in reference to the OP's claim that "MORE MHz = BETTER" which is obvioulsy not always the case. I was trying to show the OP that even though the 860 has more MHz than the 920, the 920 is often regarded as better. I'm not necessarily advocating that the OP get a 920, and like I said earlier, I acknowledged that an AMD build would be optimal.

And regarding the graphics cards. Get the workstation card, not the SLI'd 9800s. This is once again a situation where many people think "more mhz = better" and again that is simply not the case. Workstation cards are often clocked a lower than gaming cards like 9800 series and for good reason. Gaming cards are meant to rip through as many frames as possible in a given second to provide high FPS, while workstation cards focus on rendering quality frames. This is made possible through far superior drivers. Not to mention, many graphics applications have special plugins for workstation cards, making them superiior than gaming cards.
Did I read the entire thread word for word? No. But my advice was far from "wrong."
April 19, 2010 3:17:57 PM

Just a note:
Unless you are doing some serious pro level work, you will not notice much of a difference between a workstation card and a gaming card. HOWEVER, you WILL notice a difference in LCD. So my recommendation is to get a old 8800GTS/GTX (~$50-80) and softmodd it to a quaddro. Spend the saved money on a better LCD.
April 19, 2010 5:31:44 PM

@Shadow

... Folks used to talk about that soft-mod over at the AVID Pro Forums .. I never got around to trying it because I was Mattrox 3-head, at the time.

... What can you tell "us" about that. Anything more than heresay? I know folks have definately done this in the past ... but, lately?.

... Where would be a good place to find out more?

= Alvin =
April 19, 2010 5:38:08 PM

B&H PHOTO is the primary online Broadcast Supplier in the USA.

At their site ... I entered (Adobe) "CS4 Turnkey" ... Into their search box ...

... Here are Eight Pro Graphics systems ... pre-built ...

... NOTICE what GPU cards are used in EACH of them .

(AND THE TOTAL SYSTEM COSTS ! )



http://www.bhphotovideo.com/c/search?Ntt=cs4+turnkey&N=...
= ALVIN = (NO SOFT MOD, EITHER ! )
April 19, 2010 8:55:19 PM

Alvin Smith said:
@Shadow

... Folks used to talk about that soft-mod over at the AVID Pro Forums .. I never got around to trying it because I was Mattrox 3-head, at the time.

... What can you tell "us" about that. Anything more than heresay? I know folks have definately done this in the past ... but, lately?.

... Where would be a good place to find out more?

= Alvin =

AFAIK/IIRC, the 8800GTX/GTS were the last cards that were able to be softmodded (NOT the BIOS mod, I'm talking about the driver mod). I personally wouldn't mess with BIOS modding device IDs for a $300+ card like a GTX470, but it is possible.
April 19, 2010 9:10:40 PM

And ... I think you get fairly decent performance from the stock 9800GT-EE ... OpenGL 3.0 and CUDA and HDCP and x10.1, etc. ... not bad for a ~$100 lo-power card.

Plus the stock drivers do multi-mon quite nicely! ... They also "play really nice" with quadro drivers ! " (cooperatively ... for CUDA and Multi-mon) (when 9800 is installed as secondary GPU)

= Al =


April 19, 2010 9:53:53 PM

thanks for replies

I think and i decide invest in i7 930 and 6b of tripple channel ... :D  I hope that CPU has a good performance...

Asus P6T SE -€ 189,60
Gskill DDR3 PC12800 Ripjaws 6GB - 168
PNY Quadro FX580 512MB PCI-E -195
Western Digital 500GB SATA II 57.20
Intel Core i7 930 -275
Arctic Cooling Silentium T2 € 49,90
Samsung 23'' 2343NW Preto -186

Alvin, i don't have more money, i want put two drives, but i can't. My option for quadro Fx is because, if i buy a 9800GT-EE, TWO still more cheapt than quadro 980, in sli mode, i must have buy another PSU... But i confess, i prefer FX 580, in shop you show me, the 9800GT-EE is in use by editing stations, no in workstations 3d... My priority is rendering time, fluid workspace.

This config can have more performance, VS i7 860 right?!!!

Thanks
April 19, 2010 9:57:58 PM

sorry, one more question, the price of samsung f3 is approximately the same, but, samsung have 16 mb buffer, and the WD 32mb, why do you prefer F3? what is the reason?
April 19, 2010 10:39:23 PM


Hey .. It is your money and it is a fine build ... Looks great ... just wanted all options on the table.

= Good Job = ('cept that HDD ain't great)

April 19, 2010 10:45:32 PM

The F3 has faster read/write times than the WD.
And yes the i7-930 should perform good
April 19, 2010 10:52:32 PM

This model are good? Samsung 500 GB SATA II - HD502HJ - Spinpoint F3 ?
April 19, 2010 11:17:38 PM

felito_ said:
This model are good? Samsung 500 GB SATA II - HD502HJ - Spinpoint F3 ?


CORRECT !!! . . . GOOD TO GO !

[:bilbat:5]

= Al =
April 19, 2010 11:24:54 PM

ehehehhe :D 

Thanks for help guys .

if i have more questions i will be back :) 

Alvin, you are the Boss, thanks
April 19, 2010 11:27:50 PM

i have one DVD RW.

But nice mouse and box, but i am doing in red line :D  .

I need a economic PSU and box, therefore my choice in Artic.

April 20, 2010 12:03:39 AM



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