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April 19, 2010 5:40:23 AM



APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: no real deadline; before the unannounced Cataclysm lol
BUDGET RANGE: (budget is maxed at 1200) total at purchase

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: (I have a netbook to serf the net and download…everything I download goes straight to an external TB hard drive. This CPU would be used for gaming; specifically I want to play World of Warcraft, Just Cause 2, Command and Conquer series, and ALL of the Total War series. I would like to run WOW on the highest graphic settings; no shadows though. As for the other games they won’t need to play on max settings, but I want to enjoy the gameplay)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: software... although I will be using Windows 7

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (I would like to buy as many parts from manufacturers, I would not mind newegg.com, ncix.com, tigerdirect.com, or any sTorE in NYC (might be cheap?) IT WOULD BE NICE TO BE ABLE TO CONFIGURE ON A SITE, as I have no idea how to construct a CPU
-- to show us selection & pricing) COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: (NYC, USA)

PARTS PREFERENCES: (I would like to use an Intel CPU & ATI video card – I know I can’t get the best or newest models but from what I have read these would be better for games) .... the i5 750 and the ATI HD 5000 series are musts...


OVERCLOCKING: Would like too SLI OR CROSSFIRE: in the future

MONITOR RESOLUTION: I believe 1920x1080 - is the LED for Samsung so ya

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: (I really want to spend my summer in front of a high performance computer…6 years ago I bought an alienware laptop and I loved World of Warcraft on it. Two years ago it busted and so did my WoW career, but it’s about to be summer and I think I have the time and capital to get back into the game…I have read and ‘’configured’’ tons of CPU’s “ONLINE” but I keep going over budget and I know it can be done for 1200)

I just found this website and there isn’t enough time in the day to go through all of this great info without making a post to see if I can attract the info I require. I read most of the posts on CPU’s and WoW and I would like to work this out before I copout and buy a premade:: I would like a quiet PC, I would like a cool looking case, I want to spend most of my budget on ram, cpu, and video card.. )
THANKS
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ADVANCE
April 19, 2010 7:10:39 AM

Off hand (at a glance) ...

Downgrade your CPU and upgrade your GPU ... You want a Hard-Gaming HTPC.

April 20, 2010 7:00:34 AM

Ok so is a GPU a graphics adapter? Is that separate from a video card? If it is a video card; research indicates the ATI 5770 is a more than good card... I'm still researching though. What CPU do you suggest?
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April 20, 2010 7:32:31 AM

Also it would NEED WIFI as I need to connect to house wireless...from what I have seen this very possible with a wireless card..
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April 20, 2010 9:58:01 AM

^^ Yes they all mean the same...
And as for the HD 5770, yes no doubt is more than a good card, but for 1080p resolution, if you dont want to have that occasional drop in frames/ lag, then better to get a more powerful card and also you will be sticking with 1 card so more powerful, the longer its life(in terms of performance)
And as for the CPU, for WoW and in general gaming, the i7 9xx doesnt have any significant performance improvement over the new i5 750...It is also a Quad and is powerful enough for any games out there...
Here is a total config, just in case you plan to buy it separately...

i5 750
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Mobo - With SATA 6GB/s and USB 3.0
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card -
HD 5850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAM -
GSKillz 4GB DDR3
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

HDD - Samsung F3 500GB
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CASE -
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...

WiFi
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
April 20, 2010 6:48:22 PM

In regards to the WiFi, I need one that can pick up signal from two floors up. I really like the one you linked (150m range), I just want to make sure it's strong enough. It is also a USB model..is there a specific reason as to why you suggest a USB instead of an internal card?
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April 20, 2010 8:05:04 PM

I'm going a little heavier on the GPU than the above build (which is decent). Here's what I would build:

CPU/Mobo: i5-750 and Asus P7P55D-E Pro $375
RAM/GPU: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 and HD 5870 $490
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
PSU: Antec Earthwatts 750W $85 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $80 after rebate
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $22
HSF (if OC): Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35 (with free card reader)

Total: $1,147

To answer some of the questions in the original post...

Overclocking: This is a cheap way to get more power out of the build. Generally, it's recommended to at least be considered at some point.

Crossfire: This is a good thing to have for future proofing. Games quickly require more graphics power to run at decent speeds. Typically, that means you have to replace the GPU at regular intervals. However, with Crossfire, instead of having to buy a very expensive large GPU to continue to play new games, you can buy a cheaper, older card and get the same performance. So the ability to add the second card allows you to get cheaper upgrades down the line.

Wifi: A USB wireless receiver is good because they're cheap, easily transferred to a new computer and don't lose anything in performance.

Finally, I strongly suggest you consider building it yourself. PCs are very easy to build on your own nowdays. The components only have one way to be put together, and it's almost impossible to do it wrong. Generally, if you're thinking about getting out a hammer, you're doing it wrong. There are thousands (if not millions) of guides on how to build a PC out on the web, so as long as you read through some of them and/or follow one, you'll be sure to get it right. Also, building it yourself gives you a tremendous knowledge of the inner workings of your computer. You know what needs to be tweaked, what needs to be upgraded and if something goes wrong, what needs to be fixed.

If all that wasn't enough, buying a PC that's been put together for you has several drawbacks. If you pick the parts and someone else puts it together, it very likely you get poor build quality and pay a hefty premium for the service. If you buy from a vendor (i.e. IBuyPower, Dell, HP, CyberPower, etc.), you're paying a huge premium and getting lower quality parts.
April 20, 2010 8:37:48 PM

quick question, I want to go with the crossfire. What additions do you recommend, i.e. can everything here work with a second card and what card would you recommend?

Also, why 4 GB ram.. I'm going to do more research, but all the premades have 6-9GB. Does Ram only help with multitasking?

I can increase the budget in terms of the crossfire, but would need more time.
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April 20, 2010 8:41:28 PM

The build can already do Crossfire. The board and PSU are good enough for it. I would wait until the 5870 is not doing so well in new games and then add a second one. You generally want to match the model (i.e. HD 5870) of the cards for Crossfire, but the brand (i.e. XFX, HIS, Sapphire) doesn't matter.

If you're looking at i7-930 prebuilts, 6 GB is the standard. Unless you're doing heavy computations, 4 GB is more than enough for everyone.
April 20, 2010 8:55:22 PM

Ok one note that I won't have to retract ;)  ...WoW does not recognize CrossFire. So while having the ability to CrossFire in the future will be useful for other games, or for WoW's successor, don't plan on using it for WoW.
April 20, 2010 9:19:55 PM

Well as long as this CPU supports crossfire I'm happy.
As for WoW, Blizzard says it does support it:
http://forums.worldofwarcraft.com/thread.html?topicId=2...

Also, I know crossfire will work for Total War and Command and Conquer.

Also, will this CPU optimize the visuals a LED 23'' at 1920x1080. Would i use a DVI, VGA, OR HDMI cable from the CPU to the monitor?
April 20, 2010 9:40:21 PM

Agh. Old information again, I guess? Sorry. :/ 
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April 20, 2010 9:53:21 PM

The CPU won't have anything to do with the visuals. That's the GPU. And yes.

You'd want to be using the HDMI cable from the graphics card.
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April 21, 2010 4:41:11 AM

@retrodebate the CPU doesnt have to do anything with the Crossfire/ SLI...It depends on the mobo(it should have 2x PCIe x8/ x16 slots and not 1x x16 and 1x x4 slot) and PSU(should have enough power to run 2 cards)

And as for the visuals, it depends more on the Graphics card than the CPU...but even the CPU has a major role to play at high resolutions because it should be able to cope up with the powerful cards...
So generally it is advisable to go with a powerful CPU(Preferably Quad) if you will be running multiple card configurations(2x HD 5850s and so on...)

And if you will surely be doing crossfire, then stick with HD 5850 rather than HD 5870 as the stock speeds of the i5 750 might not be able to cope up with the power of 2x HD 5870s...
But if it highly doubtful that you will be doing Crossfire, then stick with the PSUs that I had listed and spend more and get the HD 5870...It will last longer in terms of performance...

And 4GB is good enough for gaming and anything more doesnt have any significant effect on games...People go with 6GB only on LGA 1366 mobos as the CPUs have Tri-Channel controller - 3/ 6 sticks...
April 22, 2010 3:01:27 AM

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fECWSSpEVVA... Would this be possible with this setup? My budget just went up.. :) 

So the question is would this CPU be able to handle triple or dual monitors in the future? I understand that I would need peripherals later down the road for the monitor setup...but I think I will eventually make that kind of commitment. So, if at possible what modifications would I need to go ahead with this? I would like to purchase the parts before the end of May :) 
April 22, 2010 6:57:48 PM

Also, is there any reason why I should not want to make this kind of system?
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April 22, 2010 7:50:14 PM

Once again, I will point out that the CPU has nothing to do with the graphics. The GPU determines all of that. The 5870 can handle up to three monitors (six if you get the Eyefinity 6 version).

The issues with Eyefinity setups is that you lose a LOT of FPS in doing it. Yes, it looks cool. However, the GPU power required is going to cost you a lot of money to do it right.

I can't watch that video (I'm at work), so I can't comment on the actual setup in it.
April 23, 2010 4:03:03 AM

Great! Would only want 3 monitors max. Oh and when I have mention ''CPU'' I usually mean the whole thing; the tower really or CPU > Laptop > Netbook. I should be saying desktop. This is great though. I really like the idea of being able to see that much of game.
May 9, 2010 7:16:08 PM

Is this an acceptable? The $1,629.85 price is somewhat appeasing... Any input?

This monitor is my picking:
Samsung Syncmaster 2233RZ Black 22" 5ms 3D Gaming 120 Hz Widescreen LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 DC 20000:1 w/ HDCP Support http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS DRW-24B1ST/BLK/B/AS Black SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER COSMOS 1000 RC-1000-KSN1-GP Black/ Silver Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST3500418AS 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

XFX HD-587A-ZND9 Radeon HD 5870 (Cypress XT) 1GB XXX Edition 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFire Supported Video Card http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor Model BX80605I5750
&&&&&&&
ASUS P7P55D-E Pro LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Antec EarthWatts EA750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V version 2.3 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ASUS USB-N13 USB 2.0 Wireless Adapter
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 9, 2010 8:54:08 PM

Also around XMAS 2010 I plan on going CrossFire with another HD 5870 and adding TripleHead2Go with two more 23 LED Samsung monitors... is this a good build for those changes? This is a definite, so I would need to be able to accommodate. I'm sure I need a ATI Eyefinity don't I? So anyone know better prices... going to post links. Also, is this mobo compatible with a Crossfire set up?
May 10, 2010 3:02:06 AM

Is everyone busy? Or did I run out of Disney $$$ dollars?
May 10, 2010 4:23:29 PM

Thanks. I read the reviews on a lot of the USB wi-fi adapters and they don't seem to speak highly of them. I will probably go with an internal adapter, but would have to confirm that it will not conflict with the tower available ports or even the ?mobo? I haven't been able to do much researching, due to my exams and papers I've been busy. I like what the reviews of the links you posted. Most of my gaming will be online games, so I really want the best wi-fi adapter and would be willing to shell out the cheddar for a good one.

Anyone have any tips on my links above^^^^I would like to know if those parts are good; most are from MadAdmiral's links. I would like to know about the tower in particular.

Thanks in Advance.
May 10, 2010 5:57:27 PM

I used to have a belkin n wireless adapter very much like this one http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
The connection is amazing, but as the reviews state the drivers f*** SUCK!!! If you get it working though it'll be great.

secondly IMO thats a lot of graphics power for comparetively little cpu power. I would suggest if you add a second card in several months anyways to go for an i7 930 system with a 470 gtx(this would only be if you certainly add another card otherwise I'd stick with the current setup.)

An i7 system will increase cpu power(obviously), increase ram speed quite drastically(since its tripple channel) and cost you about 100dollars more(considering the 50dollars less for the gpu).
May 11, 2010 4:25:04 AM

Headache...so many articles on the web. Any recommendation on forums or threads that can help me building a SLI/CX ready system that can support three monitors? I've been to widescreengamingforum.com and there is a ton there, but not much on building a cpu.. I want to stay in my budget. My newegg.com cart is $1500 including monitor and it will take another month before I will have that kinda coin. Thanks in advance.
May 12, 2010 6:32:48 PM

In regards to parts I have listed above is everything compatible? Also would it support dual video card setup? Would it support a triple monitor setup? Or do I need Eyefinity cards? I plan on buying parts at the end of the month, so I want to get some confirmation. I have had no feedback on the RAM or the case, so that would help too.
May 12, 2010 6:33:25 PM

In regards to parts I have listed above is everything compatible? Also would it support dual video card setup? Would it support a triple monitor setup? Or do I need Eyefinity cards? I plan on buying parts at the end of the month, so I want to get some confirmation. I have had no feedback on the RAM or the case, so that would help too.
May 12, 2010 6:34:43 PM

In regards to parts I have listed above is everything compatible? Also would it support dual video card setup? Would it support a triple monitor setup? Or do I need Eyefinity cards? I plan on buying parts at the end of the month, so I want to get some confirmation. I have had no feedback on the RAM or the case, so that would help too.
May 12, 2010 6:42:36 PM

The parts are compatible. It will support a dual-card setup. A single 5870 will support a triple-monitor setup, though you will need a DisplayPort to DVI (or HDMI) converter if you don't have a monitor that supports DisplayPort input. You do not need an Eyefinity edition, in most cases that would make things more difficult, as those versions only have 6x DisplayPort output.

OCZ is not frequently recommended around here due to reports of needing to over-volt the RAM to get it to work at specified settings. This G.Skill Ripjaws 4 GB kit has faster timings and is only $10 more. This G.Skill ECO 4 GB kit is a couple bucks more with shipping but has the same timings as the Ripjaws and runs at a lower voltage.

Case is largely personal preference. Many will claim that you're paying too much for that case. If you're satified with it, and if the manufacturer's website says it will fit a 5870 (and a full tower should, most of the time), you should be good to go.
May 12, 2010 8:05:08 PM

Ok I have picked up the Ripjaws. I have a question about a GPU. I want the 5870 but don't know which brand or which model to get... or if the models with the 2.1 PCI Express are preferable. So for 400 I want to know which is Tom's recommendation.

Is there a thread on the best parts based on price ranges?
May 12, 2010 8:15:45 PM

Not really. For the most part, all of the 5870s are the same, the primary differences in brand are warranty/support. There has only just begun to be any variation in the models, and that's mostly the models that are $430 and up.

Generally, Sapphire and XFX are seen as the two top-end brands due to longevity & customer support (Sapphire) and warranty (XFX). I have been reading of complaints about Powercolor customer support recently, but I haven't had any direct experience, so I don't feel qualified to comment on that.
May 12, 2010 8:42:41 PM

Both of the 5870's from XFX support eyefinity. Under display ports it indicates that there is 1 for each of them. Also I am only looking at models with HDMI ports. These are the two I like, but there are so many to pick from.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|14-150-456^14-150-456-TS,14-150-487^14-150-487-TS
May 12, 2010 9:17:56 PM

All 5870s support Eyefinity.

I would get the one with the double-lifetime warranty, myself.
May 12, 2010 11:40:26 PM

After some reading... HDMI will provide no better picture than a DVI connection. Therefore, I have changed the monitor that I will use for this setup. I know that HDMI sends audio and video, but this will not matter as I am going to no rely on the monitor for audio. The new monitor is included in the above post.
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May 13, 2010 4:44:15 AM

^ The build is fine, but frankly am not much happy with the monitor...and any specific reason for that case ?
Check out this monitor, if you want a 120Hz specifically...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

but it wont be much of a use if you will be going with ATI cards(No 3D gaming AFAIK)...And a HD 5870 for 1680X1050?? Not a good idea IMO...If you will be sticking with that Samsung monitor...drop it to HD 5850 - which is still an overkill...

Actually you can save some money with the case, PSU, graphics card...
CM HAF 922 + CM GX750W - Though not as good as a Corsair but very much comparable to the Antec EA750...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

XFX HD 5870 - IMO $20 for about 25MHz increase ? The CCC itself allows for an overclock of upto 900MHz...So just use that...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 13, 2010 6:46:42 AM

WOW! I did not know that Samsung was not 1920x1080! I like your Acer link over the other Samsung choices. I was hoping to get a Samsung for aesthetics. I have a 32" in my room and I would've like a pair.
My original monitor choice was the Samsung LED, seen here: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
oh, and I have no interest in ?3d gaming? I don't plan on doing research on the benefits, as I will not wear glasses in doors (except for a movie theater)

Also, is there any reason to avoid my case? I like the extra fan, and most importantly it is nicer on the eyes. The case is what I will see 100% of the time and after putting work into this system, I would like to enjoy it.

I definitely agree with you on the GPU. Will change above.
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May 13, 2010 7:13:50 AM

^ Well I thought that you wanted a 120Hz because you wanted to go 3D, but if you dont have that plan at all, then very well get that Samsung monitor that you have listed above...It looks pretty slick and nice...

As for the case, you dont like LEDs and stuff?? Except for that I feel with the case such as the 922, the airflow would better because of the bigger fans and also it is perforated on the front...
May 13, 2010 7:30:59 AM

I'm leaning towards the 922... I see the fan difference now. Also, 50% off right now! I have been looking at these Antec's, which also have some nice choices.

Also, i5-750 = problem with crossfire? I have not found a site confirming this? I wish there was tangible literature on the subject. I subscribed to Maximum PC a month ago and the ETA is another month away before my first issue. Anyway, I would want to crossfire eventually.
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May 13, 2010 8:26:00 AM

Why do you ask i5 750 = problem with crossfire??
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May 13, 2010 1:19:29 PM

There isn't a problem with Crossfire with the i5. You'll be just fine.

You've got a great build with gkay's last changes.
May 13, 2010 3:29:58 PM

What you've probably heard about is that P55 boards are only capable of 8x/8x in Crossfire, but that only amounts to a very small difference from 16x/16x and only with very large graphics cards. Noting to worry about at all.
May 14, 2010 4:26:17 AM

The Spinpoint F3 is generally considered the best 1 TB performance drive available at the moment. Other very good drives include the Seagate 7200.12 1 TB drive and the Western Digital WD1002FAEX 1 TB SATA III drive.

The Seagate offers equivalent performance at the same or slightly cheaper price. The Western Digital is more expensive and while it has SATA III, mechanical hard drives just don't use the extra bandwidth at the moment, making it hard to justify the price increase vs. the other two drives.
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May 14, 2010 5:05:10 AM

^ +1...
Though I liked Seagate, but they go it wrong with their 7200.10 and 7200.11 drives...High failure rate...Even the 7200.12 though are far better than the previous gen, but still have above normal failure rates...Just yesterday my friend's Seagate 7200.12 500GB drive gave up on him...dint expect that at all...
On the safer side, better to stick with Samsung for now as their failure rate is far less...
May 28, 2010 12:39:18 AM

IF ANYONE, has experience with Avadirect.com... let me know. If there is a thread/forum, point me to it... didn't see it. Hey, out of the AVADIRECT.COM ram choices which one is preferable? I think its out of corsair, ocz, mushkin, kingston?

I want to post my cart so I can get comments.. I was advised to not build myself as I have no experience and it's a lot of money to risk..

parts I'm going with are

haf 922
antec ea750
asus p7p55d-e pro
intel core i-750
hyper master 212
kingston 4 2x2 - value ram pc3-106000 ddr3 1333 (I need help here)
xfx radeon 5870
samsung 1tb spinpoint
samsung super-writemaster
network cards ?????? (do i need to get something more than the integrated if im ONLY using WIFI)
pci wireless networks card (do i need to get something more than the integrated if im ONLY using WIFI, i plan on getting a wifi usb)
case fan - do i need to do this?
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