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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 3:24:25 AM

IDK about you guys but today has been the most confusing day I have seen in ages when it comes to GPU benchmarks. We have a few sites showing Fermi besting the 5850 and 5870, then we have sites that puts them equal and a few other sites that shows Fermi losing by a huge margin. So who has the "legit" numbers?

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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 3:33:46 AM

I read elsewhere Anands #'s didn't seem right to you. Well I don't know if any of his comparison graphs were transposed or not, but here is the reviewers summation.
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Final Words

To wrap things up, let’s start with the obvious: NVIDIA has reclaimed their crown – they have the fastest single-GPU card. The GTX 480 is between 10 and 15% faster than the Radeon 5870 depending on the resolution, giving it a comfortable lead over AMD’s best single-GPU card. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=20


He goes on to say, can ATI counter ? Well I think they can, they can pull a 4890 type card out of this series. But the Green team will have a gameplan for that to, I imagine.
Plus, this is on BETA drivers ! lol with a pinch of salt !
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a c 189 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 3:39:56 AM

But still, with this "new" card, i expecting more than that. If NVidia want to compete with ATI at least their card must much more better than ATI's 5xxx series...
To me, 10-15% faster is not enough...
Well, that's just my opinion. :) 
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a c 130 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 3:40:44 AM

IMHO, HD5870 loses by 5-10% in benchmarks. Don't know if they're including latest drivers though.

HD5890 will win by 5-10% against the GTX480.

And still, HD5870 can be OC'd and use less power than the GTX480. And we know how great of an OC'er the HD5870 is. But if nVid had to cut SPs to help lower voltage/power, I doubt it'd be good to bring them back up.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 3:56:09 AM

notty22 said:
I read elsewhere Anands #'s didn't seem right to you. Well I don't know if any of his comparison graphs were transposed or not, but here is the reviewers summation.
Quote:
Final Words

To wrap things up, let’s start with the obvious: NVIDIA has reclaimed their crown – they have the fastest single-GPU card. The GTX 480 is between 10 and 15% faster than the Radeon 5870 depending on the resolution, giving it a comfortable lead over AMD’s best single-GPU card. http://www.anandtech.com/video/showdoc.aspx?i=3783&p=20


He goes on to say, can ATI counter ? Well I think they can, they can pull a 4890 type card out of this series. But the Green team will have a gameplan for that to, I imagine.
Plus, this is on BETA drivers ! lol with a pinch of salt !


Well all this mess did nothing but cause confusion. when the 5870 came out we had CLEAR numbers on ALL websites, yes there were a few that were biased but nothing like today. It is a shame because IMO there is something fishy going on, there is no way the 5830 matches the 480 in BC2 @ 1680x 1050. If this were to be legit I would not hesitate to purchase a 5850. But then again we have guru putting the 5850 on par with the 470, so in reality the only thing that crosses my mind is that the websites are EXTREMELY biased, some are in favor of Fermi by a respectable margin and some have Fermi trailing by almost 45%.

This is ridiculous, all we wanted were "REAL" numbers, is it that hard?
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March 27, 2010 4:14:00 AM

Fermi has had alot of hype with it for quite some time at this point. So with today being the day that its benchmarks can be released....numbers are everywhere. Some may be wrong due to biased, i mean lets face it, most people favor one over the other. I feel comforable with the benchmarks on this site tho. Fermi performance is behind on plain fps but looses less performance with AA on. Reguardless of performance numbers though, heat and power is the card's downfall. if i were to buy this card i would only buy from xfx for the lifetime warranty.
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March 27, 2010 4:20:08 AM

Third time im posting these numbers but i hope these cause the prices of the 5800'5 to drop in price. These are the fps when AA is on-posted by this site.
stalker
1680x 1050
5870 - 57.67
470- 53.3

1920 x 1200
5870- 46.55
470- 43.17

2560 x 1600
5870 - 26.4
470- 28.22

battlefield
1680 x 1050
5870- 71.8
470- 76.11

1920 x 1200
5870- 61.66
470- 62.85

2560 x 1600
5870- 41.96
470 - 39.04

call of duty
1680 x 1050
5870- 111.37
470- 127.35

1920 x 1200
5870- 100.75
470- 109

2560 x 1600
5870-77.37
470- 75.04

dirt
1680 x 1050
5870- 82.9
470- 90.1

1920 x 1200
5870- 75.4
470- 79.7

2560 x 1600
5870- 58.7
470- 55.1

crysis
1680 x 1050
5870-38.28
470- 30.28

1920 x 1200
5870- 31,74
470- 24.33

2560 x 1600
5870- 15.84
470- 14.31
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 4:27:00 AM

goldenchild said:
Fermi has had alot of hype with it for quite some time at this point. So with today being the day that its benchmarks can be released....numbers are everywhere. Some may be wrong due to biased, i mean lets face it, most people favor one over the other. I feel comforable with the benchmarks on this site tho. Fermi performance is behind on plain fps but looses less performance with AA on. Reguardless of performance numbers though, heat and power is the card's downfall. if i were to buy this card i would only buy from xfx for the lifetime warranty.


On thing is biased and the other is "EXTREMELY" biased ;) 





ok so the first graph might me over exaggerating, but does that make Anands bench anymore relevant?

If Dual 480's come up to be only 11% faster than a single 5870 then Fermi must be crap?
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a c 217 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 4:35:18 AM

One thing that was interesting was the Dirt 2 benchmarks. I was reading some early on, that showed the 480 beating the 5870 and 5970 quite easily. Later I was reading through this sites review, and they made note that the Fermi cards were not being recognized as DX11 capible, and as a result, ran in DX 9 mode.

Little details like this could cause some major confusion on results.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 4:47:37 AM

another, this time from Benchmark Reviews :




Conclusion :

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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Our performance rating considers how effective the GeForce GTX480 DirectX-11 video card performs against competing products from both ATI and NVIDIA. While it's not easy to nail-down exact ratios because of driver and game optimizations, the GeForce GTX480 consistently outperformed the ATI Radeon HD5870 and establishes itself as the most powerful single-unit graphics card available. Tested on the unbiased 3dMark Vantage DX10 benchmark, GeForce GTX480 improves upon the GTX285 by nearly 61% at 1920x1200, and outperforms the Radeon HD5870 by 10%. When BattleForge calls high-strain SSAO into action, NVIDIA's GTX480 demonstrates how well Fermi is suited for DX11... improving upon the GeForce GTX285 by nearly 249% while trumping ATI's best single-GPU Radeon HD5870 by 61%. The GeForce GTX480 also proved itself a worthy adversary for the dual-GPU ATI Radeon HD5970; beating it in our Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, and BattleForge tests.
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March 27, 2010 4:52:06 AM

confusing and awful... I blame it on different test setups but we won't know until probably next week or so
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March 27, 2010 5:19:21 AM

OvrClkr said:
another, this time from Benchmark Reviews :


http://i683.photobucket.com/albums/vv199/OvrClkr/really.jpg

Conclusion :

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

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Our performance rating considers how effective the GeForce GTX480 DirectX-11 video card performs against competing products from both ATI and NVIDIA. While it's not easy to nail-down exact ratios because of driver and game optimizations, the GeForce GTX480 consistently outperformed the ATI Radeon HD5870 and establishes itself as the most powerful single-unit graphics card available. Tested on the unbiased 3dMark Vantage DX10 benchmark, GeForce GTX480 improves upon the GTX285 by nearly 61% at 1920x1200, and outperforms the Radeon HD5870 by 10%. When BattleForge calls high-strain SSAO into action, NVIDIA's GTX480 demonstrates how well Fermi is suited for DX11... improving upon the GeForce GTX285 by nearly 249% while trumping ATI's best single-GPU Radeon HD5870 by 61%. The GeForce GTX480 also proved itself a worthy adversary for the dual-GPU ATI Radeon HD5970; beating it in our Resident Evil 5, Far Cry 2, and BattleForge tests.





Looks like same resuts to me.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 5:33:33 AM

Correct^^ but then you have Anand at the same res.

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a c 130 U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 12:21:37 PM

That's with AA. I swear, once the 2GB HD5870 comes out, things will change.
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March 27, 2010 12:59:05 PM

goldenchild said:
I hope these cause the prices of the 5800'5 to drop in price.


That would be nice, but I'm not holding my breath. The Fermi cards are so expensive, ATI has no reason to drop prices. The 5000 cards are selling quite well at current price.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 1:36:14 PM

shadow187 said:
That's with AA. I swear, once the 2GB HD5870 comes out, things will change.

In that Anand bench, the ATI cards are already ahead. The 2GB version should only serve to widen the gap. OvrClkr's point is that the 470 is sitting in the 5830's territory in Anand's test, while it's encroaching on 5870 territory in others. It's a totally mixed bag.


Given that there are 2 more weeks til these cards hit shelves, I'm sure many review sites will be taking a 2nd look at them prior to availability. Considering how every site had to revise it's benchmarking suite due to the fact DirectX 11 could actually be compared, I'm not convinced any of them did a truly thorough comparison. Some sites were testing games that have been scoring 150+ FPS on top-tier cards for several years... Why? Cause 200FPS in Mass Effect or 150FPS in L4D2 wasn't already enough? Even the $75 mainstream cards are killing in those titles.

Anyways... I call for a recount. I think I saw some cards that still had chads stuck to them.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 1:39:16 PM

i would n put it past nvidia to send some sites engineering versions an others retail versions
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 1:49:26 PM

It's a waste of time wondering about it because the gtx 480 doesn't really exist and it will never be a mass produced card.

Nvidia fanboys can stop dreaming, this series is lost hopelessly so forget all about buying a card until next time, or just accept ATI's superiority and buy a 5850/5870 instead. There is *nothing* to recommend Fermi over the 5-series - I bet even crossfired 5770's beat the gtx480 in most games.
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March 27, 2010 2:06:21 PM

Engineering samples are a double edged sword.
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a b U Graphics card
March 27, 2010 2:16:26 PM

These results tell the whole story imo.



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March 27, 2010 3:38:05 PM

The GTX 480 needs to beat the 5870 by the same % mesaure it beats the 5870 in power usage to be a card that doesn't suck so hard.

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March 27, 2010 3:46:32 PM

When do the 2 gb cards come out? In 2 weeks too?
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