470 vs 5850 2g

[NeoPc]

Hi,i would like to know which card is better the new nvidia card or the enchanted sapphire toxic 5850 2g

 

[shadow187]

Probably the 2GB HD5850.

 

[jennyh]

Well lets look at the 470's negative points.

Hot
Power Hungry
Random game fps, wins some loses some - even to much lower cards like the 5770.
It's Nvidia
Chances of you actually getting one for another month or two are almost nil

Now if we look at the disadvantages of the 5850 toxic.

None of the above

 

[Rustyy117]

Well lets look at the 470's negative points.

Hot
Power Hungry
Random game fps, wins some loses some - even to much lower cards like the 5770.
It's Nvidia
Chances of you actually getting one for another month or two are almost nil

Now if we look at the disadvantages of the 5850 toxic.

None of the above

You forgot price

Here in the UK a GTX470 is £320 and a HD5850 is £220

 

[jennyh]

Well the Toxic is probably a bit more expensive.

But yeah...it's as clear cut a case of 'no-brainer' as you are likely to see.

 

[AMW1011]

Well lets look at the 470's negative points.

Hot
Power Hungry
Random game fps, wins some loses some - even to much lower cards like the 5770.
It's Nvidia
Chances of you actually getting one for another month or two are almost nil

Now if we look at the disadvantages of the 5850 toxic.

None of the above

Wow..... Common Jenny atleast pretend to not be biased.

The 5850 2GB wont show a large improvement over the regular 5850 unless you are playing at 2560x1600 or with extremely ridiculous AA. The GTX 470 beats the 5850 pretty handily, coming just shy of the 5870 to be more of a competitor to the 5870 than the 5850. The GTX 470 also overclocks pretty well, not quite as well as ATI, but damn close. However, where it really shines is with heavy tessellation, the major feature of DX11, the Fermi architecture, the same in the GTX 480 and GTX 470, performs a good deal better than ATI making it more future proof.

All this said, it does run pretty hot, but the card's fan never goes very high and is quite quiet so you can combat that to a certain extent to increasing the fan speed. It also consumes a lot of energy, not as bad as the GTX 480, but still worse than the 5870, though not terrible. It wont be readily available for a few weeks, but its not as bad as Jenny makes it look.

As for the random FPS arguement, this is baseless and mostly false. This ties into release drivers. The drivers for these new cards will improve while the drivers of the 5xxx series are fully mature, meaning we should see the GTX 470 neck and neck with the 5870 soon.

You get all this for $70 less than the 5870 and $50 more than the 5850, you need to decide if it is worth it to you.

A good summary:
http://www.hardwarecanucks.com/forum/hardware-canucks-reviews/30321-nvidia-geforce-gtx-470-review-31.html

 

[JohnieReb]

When do the 5850 2gb come out?

 

[notty22]

When do the 5850 2gb come out?

ATI has paper launched a bunch of variants the last few weeks. You know to steal some space in the news section, to combat
Nvidia's new cards, sort of like what 'some' ATI fans endlessly accuse Nvidia of.

5850 2gb
5870 2gb
6 way infinity
crossfire infinity

As to the GTX 470, losing to the 5770.

 

[shadow187]

The GTX470's performance is overplayed because of its extra memory. It passes the HD5850 when AA/Large resolutions are used, and there's a good reason why. Sticking 128MB of VRAM on an HD5970 would render it useless, and 1GB to an HD5850 is similarly hampering it.

 

[Guest]

The GTX470's performance is overplayed because of its extra memory. It passes the HD5850 when AA/Large resolutions are used, and there's a good reason why. Sticking 128MB of VRAM on an HD5970 would render it useless, and 1GB to an HD5850 is similarly hampering it.

+1 At resolutions higher than 1080p thers a 35% improvment in Crysis but it still not playable lmao, though, a 2GB/GPU for a 5970 like the Sapphire 5970 4GB OC Edition would probably see BIG benefits. The card is said to run @ 850/1250 vs the 725/1000 originally, prices would be crazy on it though because of Fermis low competition. And for those with Eyefinity setup that extra memory is just life saving lmao The Vapor-X is the choice since its Cheaper, Highly OCable, Low power hence cheaper psu.

 

[jennyh]

Yes, the only reason the 470 beats the 5850 at all is at high resolution, max AA because the 5850 runs out of frame buffer - its exactly the same for the 5870 vs the gtx480. A 2gb 5850 won't have that problem, and I'd expect it to be almost the same speed or faster than the gtx470.

 

[shadow187]

Right now the HD5850 IS almost the same speed as the 470, it's just memory is an issue.

Also, lol;

<--Last Gen-->

GTS 250 ~ HD4850
GTX 260 ~ HD4870
GTX 275 ~ HD4890
GTX 285 ~ HD4890/HD4850x2
GTX 295 ~ HD4870x2

<--This Gen-->

GTX 470 ~ HD5850
GTX 480 ~ HD5870
GTX 490 ~ HD5890
GTX 495 ~ HD5950
GTX LOL ~ HD5970

If ATI makes an HD5950, it'll compete with the GTX495. We know the GTX480 can't be made into a dual-GPU card, so it's down to the GTX460/GTX470.
HD5890 will probably compete against the Full 512-SP version of Fermi, armed with 2GB of RAM and probably 950/1250 Core/Mem.

 

[JohnieReb]

ATI has paper launched a bunch of variants the last few weeks. You know to steal some space in the news section, to combat
Nvidia's new cards, sort of like what 'some' ATI fans endlessly accuse Nvidia of.

5850 2gb
5870 2gb
6 way infinity
crossfire infinity

As to the GTX 470, losing to the 5770.http://www.boomerangshop.com/dvdcover/imageweb7/FantasyIslandTheComplete6781_f.jpg

Notty, where did you find this information? Cant find it anywhere? Is this possibly why all the XFX 5850 cards are unavailable all of a sudden?

 

[Guest]

HD 5850 2GB Review http://www.pureoverclock.com/article940.html
Normal 5850 not included though lets make some c/p work.

The 6 finity had a demo so it should be released soon.

 

[JohnieReb]

I saw that review and thought it was weird that they didnt include a regular 5850