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GTX 470 vs GTX 480 vs 5870 vs 5850

I figured that there is a lot of mixed thoughts on the subject so I would like to see what people really think,
and for the record I personally think the GTX 470 is the best bang for the buck, enjoy!
I base my opinion or thought after spending all night reading benchmarks between the 4!
I set it to finish at next weekend on Saturday at Noon, Mountain Western Time US.
**If you want please feel free to comment on your pick telling us why the one you picked is the best**
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  1. I agree completely, the GTX 470 is a very compelling product and is a better buy than the 5870.
  2. on guru3d.com, they stopped showing the GTX470's fps next to the 5870 cause it was beating it, so if you scroll
    up and down between the 470vs5850 and the 480vs5870, the GTX470 was getting way higher fps on just about everything. I am for real, I thought it was funny cause ATI got lucky and just released the new driver and without it they would of scored a way less.
    The 470 takes less watts, has lower temps, and can score really high on just about anything, so OCing would put you so high you forgot what an ati card was.
    Oh not to mention the PsyX, and most impotant 3D. So nvidia has given unto us for the long wait, The rocket sled game and ray tracer.
    What was nice of them to do is only make it 9.5 inchs so pretty much anyone can put it in there case.
    I can go on cause ati is just anothe graphics card, the new GTX 400's are the future of gameing, 3D and entertainment. So I could go on all day so I will stop.
    I got all my info and opinions from the nvidia site, and here
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/
    Oh just to let you know it took me over an hour or two to read all the info, so if you havent got to check out everything spec, bench and detail its all pack into that link.
  3. I didn't even start with the GTX 480, for instance FARCRY 2 1920x1200 8xAA
    GTX 480=84 HD 5970=86
  4. You two are really deluded lol.



    The 480 is 7% faster at max resolution. 7% for 50% more power and 20% more heat. It's pathetic, probably the worst card since the 2900XT, and the 470 is barely better.
  5. Yep, i'm with jenn here.

    The GTX 470 is about the same as the 5850, and the GTX 480 is about the same as the 5870.

    The small gain in frames is not worth the higher price, and even more so when you take power and heat into consideration.
  6. Yeah. actually read the Toms review and you'll see its clearly not better than the 5870. And still no mid-low end parts or laptop parts (and due to power and heat probably never will be). Nvidia messed up this time.
  7. Yep. Also, Nice motherboard you got there :)

    I'm thinking of building something around it, how is it?
  8. Well if you want to base your opinions off of onw diagram, there are plenty of benchmarks in games were the 5970 isn't that much better, I am not saying the 480 does better in performance, but I would say its right up there with it.
    Then the 470 beats the crap out of the 5850 in everything period, and then gets higher FPS's in pretty much every games benchmarks, I am not writing this out of my azz, yeah there is certain if ands, and, buts, but in general I wouldn't place the 5970 as the route to go when buying a card, for many reasons. Also with that stated if I wasn't getting it why would I get 5870 when for $350, I could get a GTX 470 and with out OCing it get just as good fps in 1920x1200 then the 5870, not to mention I could get the asus 5850 and oc also and it would perfrom just as good as the 5870.
    Plus if you want to talk about heat and wattage, I am not sticking them in my stock dell computer from k mart, so that isn't even a problem in my case.

    And since your not satisfied with the "small" gain in fps, I would consider that your not interested in 3D or PsyX, which is what nvidia is offering a complete package, that actually works out of the box, how long has it taken them to get the newest driver out to get things the work, there lucky they did cause that would take that "small" increase a lot higher.
    Obviously if your all ATI then nothing Nvidia has to offer will be good enough for you even if it did spank the 5970. The ATI cards were the best around cause there was nothing around, and I just hope ATI fans aren't scared of a "little" competition.
    Intel is on top of AMD-fact, Nvidia is on top of ATI-fact. Intel with Nvidia on top of AMD with ATI-fact.
  9. 5870 costs around the same as GTX470, its faster and more power effiecient and quieter and cooler. In which parallel universe where jensen is not CEO is GTX470 a good product??
  10. builderbobftw said:
    Yep. Also, Nice motherboard you got there :)

    I'm thinking of building something around it, how is it?


    if your talking about mine, its great. It is extremely flexible when it comes to overclocking, is fast at stock, has a clear cmos button which saves alot of trouble when you have a failed overclock, and not to mention, looks cool :D

    Also it has very good build quality. The only thing i noticed is that the RAM slots are a little close, and a massive air cooler might block one of them. I use a Corsair h50 so it wasn't a problem for me.
  11. That boards new version is so sick the 890FX-GD70.
    Msi can make some of the wickedest boards on the planet
    esp. for OCing, they got the big bang, they got the eclipse, and they got the 890FXgd70, they are making some of the best of the best.
  12. Salt-City_Slasher said:
    That boards new version is so sick the 890FX-GD70.
    Msi can make some of the wickedest boards on the planet
    esp. for OCing, they got the big bang, they got the eclipse, and they got the 890FXgd70, they are making some of the best of the best.


    Whoa is the 890fx out?
  13. Coming out soon.
  14. ok you people are really biased on the issue. Because nvidia actually delivered quite a good product. Especially the 470 gtx. priced a little higher than the 5850 it delivers around 5-10% better performance with BETA DRIVERS!! And ok it uses more power but then again what do you expect from a better card? And everyone whining about the heat is simply pathetic since the only reason it's so hot is beacause the fan is only at 60% to keep the noise down and because it doesn't matter a damn bit if it's 70° or 90°. So if you really care about heat then pump up the fan to 70 or 80% and the temps will drop to the same as the 5850(and it will still be very silent). So in the end they both have ups and downs. It all comes down to personal preferance.
  15. You obviously haven't heard/seen the video's on the [H] review.
  16. I have and it's nonsense
  17. ^ @ somebody - it's some peoples personal preference that their PC is not doubling as a room heater ^_^.

    Anyway, I would say the 5850, even though I bought a 5870 anyway :p. The performance of the GTX 470 is slightly above the 5850 most of the time. It's true that in a few situations it can rival or beat the 5870, but in others even the 5850 will leave it behind. Still, the GTX 470 is launching at $350, not that I can find one to buy yet, while the 5850 can be seen as low as $279. For those concerned about heat and power MSI and Gigabyte finally put out their non reference 5850s, both running at $329. The only 5850 that looks overpriced now is the Toxic sitting at $379, but of course that's only if you pretend that you can actually buy a $349 GTX 470
  18. Wow, WTF is wrong today?

    Yes, [H]'s review is pretty poor as it has totally different results than the other ones concerning the GTX 470.

    The GTX 470 provides the same performance, only about 5% slower, than the 5870, costs over $50 less, will gain that performance with better drivers, and is naturally much better with heavy tessellation, 10%+. Yes it consumes a bit more power than the 5870 and yes it is a bit hotter, but if you can deal with that then you have a much better card for the price.

    And yes the GTX 480 sucks.
  19. Somebody_007 said:
    ok you people are really biased on the issue. Because nvidia actually delivered quite a good product. Especially the 470 gtx. priced a little higher than the 5850 it delivers around 5-10% better performance with BETA DRIVERS!! And ok it uses more power but then again what do you expect from a better card? And everyone whining about the heat is simply pathetic since the only reason it's so hot is beacause the fan is only at 60% to keep the noise down and because it doesn't matter a damn bit if it's 70° or 90°. So if you really care about heat then pump up the fan to 70 or 80% and the temps will drop to the same as the 5850(and it will still be very silent). So in the end they both have ups and downs. It all comes down to personal preferance.


    I think you missed the fact that the fans are already running 70% on these at idle.

    It's embarrassing tbh. Nvidia did everything they could to squeeze every ounce of performance out of these cards and they still lose in a lot of games. To the 5970 they just lose, period.
  20. I'm just talking about the 470 gtx I know the 480 isn't exactly a succes :p. And srry about that I read somewhere they were running at 60%.
  21. 470 blows just as hard.
  22. builderbobftw said:
    470 blows just as hard.


    Yep, almost 5870 performance for $70 less which will become on par or better with driver updates, all with the superior tessellation performance of the Fermi architecture at around the same power consumption. Yep because these cards hit ~90c at 60% fan speed they blow....

    Why are people so militant about shutting their eyes to any success in this release?
  23. AMW1011 said:
    Wow, WTF is wrong today?

    Yes, [H]'s review is pretty poor as it has totally different results than the other ones concerning the GTX 470.

    The GTX 470 provides the same performance, only about 5% slower, than the 5870, costs over $50 less, will gain that performance with better drivers, and is naturally much better with heavy tessellation, 10%+. Yes it consumes a bit more power than the 5870 and yes it is a bit hotter, but if you can deal with that then you have a much better card for the price.

    And yes the GTX 480 sucks.


    10% slower. TEN percent according to this posted in the main thread.





    Now the 470 is 8 (EIGHT) percent faster than the 5850, 10 (TEN) percent slower than the 5870, but costs much closer to the 5870 than it does the 5850, while being hotter and more power hungry than both.

    How is this a good deal again?
  24. Somebody_007 said:
    I have and it's nonsense

    I agree. Hocp rolls to the beat of his own drum. Regarding Kyle. His tests IMHO are a joke and not the least bit scientific or
    even useful. Those audio tests are edited. He states in the discussion for the article he edited sound levels
    to reflect the real differences in what he heard. So not only is there video missing , he skewed any objectivity by altering
    the volumes. He made all sorts of doozy comments that are unprofessional and beyond biased.
    "I spit on the heat pipes" - Thanks for that image lol
    and this beauty.

    He responded with F-bombs at least 3 times, when asked about his testing methods. Said he was responding from a bar on his blackberry, he was drinking beer.

    edit: Also in the past, Kyle Hocp has preached he's old school in a lot of his thinking. He preaches case cooling with intake , exhaust fans.
    Air movement in the case ! Yet, he forgets thats going to happen, when he tests cards on the bench with no air moving over anything. Show me the cards in a case, with numerous fans, tips and cooling steps enthusiasts take,if you want to make your case on noise and real world operating temperature.
  25. jennyh said:
    10% slower. TEN percent according to this posted in the main thread.

    http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_27-03-2010-15-22-30_games.jpg

    http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_27-03-2010-15-22-30_price.jpg

    Now the 470 is 8 (EIGHT) percent faster than the 5850, 10 (TEN) percent slower than the 5870, but costs much closer to the 5870 than it does the 5850, while being hotter and more power hungry than both.

    How is this a good deal again?


    Yeh, And Jenn, the 5850 has fallen to MSRP, and the GTX 480 is much more, just to stiffle any argument there.

    And, Notty, he sounds like a true unbaised scientific gentleman.
  26. builderbobftw said:
    Yeh, And Jenn, the 5850 has fallen to MSRP, and the GTX 480 is much more, just to stiffle any argument there.

    And, Notty, he sounds like a true unbaised scientific gentleman.

    When you get a chance, watch his video's on intel ssd's and the corsair h50.
    I give this guy credit. He's making a living, created a business, has a big following~ doing things alot us love to do as a hobby.
    That said. He oozes contempt with things he does not like, its pretty clear , he AIN'T LIKING ssd's, lol
    His mind is made up on his view of those products even as he's reporting and doing his testing.
  27. jennyh said:
    10% slower. TEN percent according to this posted in the main thread.

    http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_27-03-2010-15-22-30_games.jpg

    http://www.czechgamer.com/pics/clanky/RobertVarga_27-03-2010-15-22-30_price.jpg

    Now the 470 is 8 (EIGHT) percent faster than the 5850, 10 (TEN) percent slower than the 5870, but costs much closer to the 5870 than it does the 5850, while being hotter and more power hungry than both.

    How is this a good deal again?


    Jenny you prove my point. At 10% slower the GTX 470 still isn't bad. With driver improvements we should see it gain a 5-10% increase while the 5870 likely won't, making it on-par with the 5870. Also the heavy tessellation performance advantage, while not a huge deal, is still pretty nice. Also, find me one 5870 selling for $380 that is in stock. The best is $420 from the Egg, I know I've been shopping for one. Now you may say that the GTX 470 may increase in price above the MSRP, which is valid, but not a given outcome yet. At $70 more, the 5-10% performance now, equaling out to almost nothing in a month or so with an increase in tessellation performance, and 20w less power consumption at load is NOT a good deal. In this context, the current context that we are talking about now, the GTX 470 is a much better deal than the 5870.

    Oh and of course the 5850 is a better deal than the GTX 470, it rapes the 5870 even more in that regard. The 5850 is a kick ass card for the money. When the 2GB version comes out, whenever it does. It will likely be slightly less than the GTX 470 and will likely perform the same, except with heavy tessellation, which will make it just as good of a product as the GTX 470 and make the 5870 even more irrelevant for the money.
  28. Yeh, i sorta kind of see where Kyle is coming from with his SSD criticism.
  29. Yeah SSDs are just too new to be worth while. In a year or so we will see much faster SSDs for less.
  30. Yep, coulndn't have said it better myself.

    250GB SSDs need to be 100$ before SSDs will control 90% of the market, and we don't need HDD to.
  31. Definitely, I would easily blow $200 on 2 mid-range, not budget quality, 250 GB SSDs.
  32. Yep me to.

    But not Untill I can get 500GB of X-25M (at least) speed SSDs for 200$ will i buy a SSD.
  33. These were posted with a article at Daily Tech. http://www.dailytech.com/article.aspx?newsid=17945
    Needless to say alot of ATI fans are spazzing out in the discussion section.



    Green VS Red !
  34. It's not the ATI fans spazzing out over those, its the sane people who are.

    There is no doubt that Fermi has a respectable advantage with tessellation, but it is no where near that high.
  35. It probably is. But cudos to Nvidia for finding a way to visually make it appear bigger !
    The first column. The 5850 across the board is the 100% or 1.0 value. The 470 is about at 1.12. That would put it 12% better. Which is probably correct.
  36. Ah good catch notty, I didn't look closely. Yeah 12% over the 5870 is certainly doable and very likely correct.
  37. GTX480 is a bad deal compared to either the 5850 or 5870 and especially the 5970. Runs way too hot and uses way too much power.

    The GTX470 looks like an ok deal, $50 cheaper than a 5870 and performs between a 5850 and 5870. It'll satisfy anyone who is an Nvidia fan or wants to use Nvidia-extras such as PhysX or extra tessellation. The main problem with the GTX470 is it uses as much as the 5870 and runs a bit hotter.

    So if my GPU budget was around $350 and I couldn't afford the 5870, I probably would go ahead and get a GTX470.
  38. In my opinion, the driver immaturity, though likely more mature than usual, and tessellation performance advantage make it extremely hard to recommend a 5870 over a GTX 470 just because it runs a little hotter since the performance is close now and will likely be very close in the future.
  39. Well AMW, Now the GTX48/70.

    Drivers might change that but for now.....

    And the GTX 470 would have to be much faster than the 5870 to justify the power usage.
  40. Well you all have convincing points, why would I want the new GTX 470 when it gets better performance then the 5850, and keeps up with 5870 but its 350 so that is definetly a rip-off. Then geez it has 3D and PsyX who needs that. I don't know what my case is going to do with all that normal heat, I dont know if all my fans and coolers are meant for that. Obviously its way to small for my case, I need one of those 12 inch cards to fill up my case. I also have to much money in my wallet and have an extra $800 to get the dual card 5970, and I have all the time in the world so I can wait until its in stock.
    Yeah ATI cards are so much better cause Nvidia's cards are only slightly better but not a whole lot. And the gtx 470 needs a minimum required 550 watt power supply, and to ATI fans this is way to high, well the 5870 and 5850 needs atleast 500, so that is such a huge difference, so that is definetly a deal breaker along with the high temperature 93C with the GTX 470 fully loaded, which is only 7 degrees higher than the 5870 and 15 than the 5850. Well if someone is getting any of these cards, they know they "all" get hot, so everyone who gets any of them is going to have to have some kind of cooling system, so I guess that makes it a big deal, cause if I go get the 5870 you won't need the same amount of cooling as the 470 cause it runs way to hot compared to the 5800's, well that is just the stupid is thing I have ever heard, either way you go, your going to need cooling.

    Well after all this is done and said, to think that the GTX 470 sucks just because it didnt beat the 5850 as hard as you think it should, to be a good card, and that it runs to hot and sucks way to much power just to catch up with the 5870, this all makes it a shiz card. Am I missing anything to why it sucks to ati fans. To wrap this it up, I would like to say that Nvidia has delivered the greatest card on the market, and to those who don't think so, then just go get the ATI card cause if your a FanBoy of ati then even if the gtx 470 could get you laid you still wouldn't see the positive side to it, you would say that gets way to hott.
  41. builderbobftw said:
    Well AMW, Now the GTX48/70.

    Drivers might change that but for now.....

    And the GTX 470 would have to be much faster than the 5870 to justify the power usage.


    The GTX 470 pulls 20w more than the 5870, that is insignificant and completely unimportant. How does it need to be faster to justify something so irrelevant? If it bothers you that the GTX 470 provides basically the same performance and will come even closer in the future, but pulls 20w more power and is a bit hotter, how is $70 for you? A pretty good trade I think...
  42. Salt-City_Slasher said:
    Well you all have convincing points, why would I want the new GTX 470 when it gets better performance then the 5850, and keeps up with 5870 but its 350 so that is definetly a rip-off. Then geez it has 3D and PsyX who needs that. I don't know what my case is going to do with all that normal heat, I dont know if all my fans and coolers are meant for that. Obviously its way to small for my case, I need one of those 12 inch cards to fill up my case. I also have to much money in my wallet and have an extra $800 to get the dual card 5970, and I have all the time in the world so I can wait until its in stock.
    Yeah ATI cards are so much better cause Nvidia's cards are only slightly better but not a whole lot. And the gtx 470 needs a minimum required 550 watt power supply, and to ATI fans this is way to high, well the 5870 and 5850 needs atleast 500, so that is such a huge difference, so that is definetly a deal breaker along with the high temperature 93C with the GTX 470 fully loaded, which is only 7 degrees higher than the 5870 and 15 than the 5850. Well if someone is getting any of these cards, they know they "all" get hot, so everyone who gets any of them is going to have to have some kind of cooling system, so I guess that makes it a big deal, cause if I go get the 5870 you won't need the same amount of cooling as the 470 cause it runs way to hot compared to the 5800's, well that is just the stupid is thing I have ever heard, either way you go, your going to need cooling.

    Well after all this is done and said, to think that the GTX 470 sucks just because it didnt beat the 5850 as hard as you think it should, to be a good card, and that it runs to hot and sucks way to much power just to catch up with the 5870, this all makes it a shiz card. Am I missing anything to why it sucks to ati fans. To wrap this it up, I would like to say that Nvidia has delivered the greatest card on the market, and to those who don't think so, then just go get the ATI card cause if your a FanBoy of ati then even if the gtx 470 could get you laid you still wouldn't see the positive side to it, you would say that gets way to hott.


    It is true, the GTX 470 only pulls a slight, insignificant, amount of extra power and it is only slightly hotter than the 5870 while giving similar performance for a nice chunk of change less. It is definitely not the greatest card, performance or price to performance. The 5850 is easily the best card for the money, but the GTX 470 isn't bad for those who want a little more muscle, and is definitely a better deal than the 5870.

    Oh and no one needs PhysX, its dead and useless.
  43. AMW1011 said:
    The GTX 470 pulls 20w more than the 5870, that is insignificant and completely unimportant. How does it need to be faster to justify something so irrelevant? If it bothers you that the GTX 470 provides basically the same performance and will come even closer in the future, but pulls 20w more power and is a bit hotter, how is $70 for you? A pretty good trade I think...


    The GTX 470 is about as fast as the 5850.

    It would need to cost less than the 5850 to be buyable, the 5850 is 280$, almost as fast, less power usage by a mile.
  44. The the 5850 has been the best card on the market, with tons of posibilities as far as ocing goes. Just to make sure, I am not saying that the 5850 is bad in anyway I just giving the 470 justice to people who dont want it to be good.
    I do agree that if the GTX 470 can get a wide spread amounts for it, esp. less than 350, cause the 5850 is above asking price and is higher than it was when it came out, so they definetly should be lowering there prices even more, and on top things are going to keep changing cause there going to keep getting better so we all win in the end, and the next set of 5870-6's and doulbe gpu cards should be quite interesting.
    All in all every body is going to need something different, like if you want 3D then your going to get the nivida. If your looking for a great deal on a card that can OC and catch up to his older bother then you got the 5850.
    I think it is funny that the lower cards from the top are getting all the attention, and are more liked by the people.
    Can you guys vote, cause I thought I made it so everyone could vote so we could see the ultimate winner by choice of the mass, if I did it wrong let me know, cause I would like to get it working.
  45. builderbobftw said:
    The GTX 470 is about as fast as the 5850.
    It would need to cost less than the 5850 to be buyable, the 5850 is 280$, almost as fast, less power usage by a mile.


    According to the reviews and benchmarks, the GTX470 is a bit faster than the 5850 on average.

    And besides a few sporadic deals here and there, the vast majority of 5850s still costs $300 or above. The price isn't going down any time soon.
  46. Salt-City_Slasher said:
    on guru3d.com, they stopped showing the GTX470's fps next to the 5870 cause it was beating it, so if you scroll
    up and down between the 470vs5850 and the 480vs5870, the GTX470 was getting way higher fps on just about everything. I am for real, I thought it was funny cause ATI got lucky and just released the new driver and without it they would of scored a way less.
    The 470 takes less watts, has lower temps, and can score really high on just about anything, so OCing would put you so high you forgot what an ati card was.
    Oh not to mention the PsyX, and most impotant 3D. So nvidia has given unto us for the long wait, The rocket sled game and ray tracer.
    What was nice of them to do is only make it 9.5 inchs so pretty much anyone can put it in there case.
    I can go on cause ati is just anothe graphics card, the new GTX 400's are the future of gameing, 3D and entertainment. So I could go on all day so I will stop.
    I got all my info and opinions from the nvidia site, and here
    http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-470-480-review/
    Oh just to let you know it took me over an hour or two to read all the info, so if you havent got to check out everything spec, bench and detail its all pack into that link.


    jesus...obviously you need to read for another 10 hours if you got that rubbish wrong-info out that link. Everything you claim is so not-true that it almost sounds like you're being sarcastic. 470 uses MORE watts, has HIGHER tempts, and scores hardly any higher than 5850 in most games. so OCing would put you WHERE YOUR GTX470/480 WILL OVERHEAT AND PRODUCE ARTIFACTS. not to mention the PhysX THAT ONLY THE HANDFUL OF GAMEs USES...So Nvidia has given people who have been waiting for 6 months of FAILURE(to impress). I could go all day but I will stop.
  47. Yeh, If I didn't know him I would think he's being sarcastic.
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