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January 3, 2011 7:59:14 AM

Over the last month i began playing an online game and my computer has crashed a few times......about once every other day. It only crashes when i am playing the online game. At first i thought it was the graphics card because the display would just go out but the computer still seemed to run ok but now i am not so sure.

This morning I ran PCProbe and found some interesting things:

Just after start up:
CPU Temp (C): 31C
MOB Temp (C): 31C


After about 3min being on......not running any major program:
CPU Temp (C): 46C
MOB Temp (C): 55C


Is the MOB temp of 55C high? If so what could be causing it to be this high.

I have an ASUS P5N mother board and i have a cpu of Intel E6600.

I know somewhere there is a "high limit" such that if the MOB or CPU reach a certain temp things "shut down".....how to determine what that limit is?

Any general thoughts or answers to above questions would be appreciated.





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a b V Motherboard
January 3, 2011 11:21:20 AM

I think 55 deg is quite OK.
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January 3, 2011 11:42:41 AM

^+1...

It sounds like there is an issue with your game. I would look to un-install and re-install with all the latest patches|updates. Also, I would make sure your video card drivers are updates, as well.
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January 3, 2011 12:15:32 PM

I have updated and then un-updated video drivers. I updated them about 6months ago......no change at NVIDA website on driver..........but since i started playing game about 1month ago i thought that maybe this newest driver i updated about 1yr to 6months ago (cant remember) might be the problem. So i uninstalled the latest driver and installed the next to last lastest driver. Same problem.

As far as software..........i dont think its that. I know never say never. I have installed it twice by accident........but problem is present after each install.

I vacuumed out my system adn this SEEMS to be helping. I will keepyou posted on what the temp values are before and after removing all the dust.

any more inputs are appreaciated.
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a b V Motherboard
January 3, 2011 1:05:25 PM

Dust is one reason for high temperatures. Vacuuming isn't the best way to clean a PC inside. Use those paintbrushes that are big and have soft bristles.
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a b V Motherboard
January 3, 2011 1:33:11 PM

Wouldn't hurt to run memtest to verify your ram is working properly.
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January 3, 2011 1:37:04 PM

For 'idle temps' they're a little warmer than I like to see. Run Prime95 for 15 minutes - http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/ then post those temps as follows:
Q - What is the ambient {room temp}?
1. Case Open
//cool down 10 minutes with powered-down {off}.
2. Case Closed

Yes, dust or poor airflow will EASILY add 4-10C.
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January 4, 2011 10:24:46 AM

Thanks to all for the grat info and suggestions.

1) I had not thought of using "paint brushes" to remove that "hard to remove" dust..........i like this idea. Any thoughts on which brushes might be best to use? I have a few that my daughter uses for water colors.....great idea.

2) Run MEMTEST..........i will do this. Any idea where to find safe download?

3) PRIME95.........i like this idea as well. Any idea where to find safe download?

THanks again.

I wanted to update you guys on my system as of now after cleaning it out.

Before cleaning it out...........running LOTRO after only 20min temp was ~ 62 to 63c.
After cleaning (really cleaned out NVidia Geforce 8800GTS and CPU metal heatsink)........running LOTRO after 20min temp is ~ 52c. So about 10c lower after just cleaning it out.

I think there still might be more to clean out and i also think there may be more going on than just "dust" as an issue. THus, i will run the suggestions and get back to you guys once i down load and run. The reason i think something else is going on is that my MOB temp has never been this high?

?When running PC probe is there a way to see what the "limits" ar efor temp.........


Any other suggestions keep them coming.
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a b V Motherboard
January 4, 2011 10:52:10 AM

welchs101 said:
1) I had not thought of using "paint brushes" to remove that "hard to remove" dust..........i like this idea. Any thoughts on which brushes might be best to use? I have a few that my daughter uses for water colors.....great idea.


http://www.flickr.com/photos/3rdfoundation/291470015/

I have the flat one one the left side, only mine is a bit bushy! :) 

welchs101 said:
2) Run MEMTEST..........i will do this. Any idea where to find safe download?

http://www.memtest.org/

welchs101 said:
3) PRIME95.........i like this idea as well. Any idea where to find safe download?


http://files.extremeoverclocking.com/file.php?f=103

PC probe sucks as a software. Use RealTemp or CoreTemp or HWMonitor. Google for them.

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a c 717 V Motherboard
January 4, 2011 12:50:41 PM

Here's what I use:

Testing & Benchmark Tools: Prime95, CPU-Z, CoreTemp 0.99.6, Memtest86+, & 3DMarkVantage

1. Prime 95 as a "Stress Test" {overnight once stable}
link - http://www.mersenne.org/freesoft/

2. CPU-Z for Settings Summary
link - http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/cpu-z.html

3. CoreTemp 0.99.x
http://www.alcpu.com/CoreTemp/

4. Memtest86+ to check memory corruption
link - http://www.memtest.org/

5. 3DMark
link - http://www.futuremark.com/benchmarks/3dmarkvantage/intr...

6. HWMonitor {monitors several temps}
link - http://www.cpuid.com/softwares/hwmonitor.html
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January 4, 2011 2:12:24 PM

Thanks for the replys. I will look into them more when i get home tonight and have time to work on the computer.

Really thanks!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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January 9, 2011 7:40:02 PM

Ok. I have downloaded all the software you guys suggested except the 3DMark software........this looks like you have to pay to use.

I installed and ran HWMonitor but it did NOT provide any information on my graphics card temp. So I then downloaded, installed and ran "SPEEDFAN" and this did provide GPU temp information. According to speed fan my GPU is approximately 61celcius.....and this is in what i would call idle mode........no major graphics programs running.

I wanted to submitt a picture/screen shot of HWMonitor and speedfan but i cant figure out how to do it here........can someone tell me?

So, the next step i guess is to run the Prime95 and see what happens........right?
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January 9, 2011 7:46:28 PM

FYI: I just got an alarm for the Vcore voltage........right now the alarm went away and voltage is at 1.33V but the voltage that caused the alarm was around 3V........I think. I did not look at the alarm closely because i have seen the alarm so much for the Mother-board alarm. Now the Vcore voltage seem fine........what does this mean?
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January 9, 2011 8:00:24 PM

NO!!! you do not want 3v running through your CPU!

Mean, hopefully a big damn reading error!
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January 9, 2011 8:11:20 PM

I hope so too........i only got the alarm from the PC probe. I was also running HWMonitor and Speedfan at the same time and they did not alarm or anything.

Speedfan shows more voltages than the other monioring software programs. But i dont understand them all. Like the "-12V" and "-5V" measured values are actually -16.8V and -8.48V respectively........does this sound right? The other voltages seem ok. Again, is there someway to attach or include a phote/picture.........they are worth a thousand words.
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January 9, 2011 8:15:53 PM

I don't use Speedfan, but BIOS read voltages are more ambiguous vs real probe voltages.

Speedfan FAQ:
"Hardware sensor chips are generic devices that can be used to measure voltages from anywhere. The measured voltage must be converted to the range required by the sensor chip. Standard monitoring chips specify which external circuitry must be used in order to measure voltages outside some range. Voltages like 12V, -5V, -12V and some others need this external circuitry. Some manufacturers chose not to follow datasheets. If this is your case, then you will read unusual values from SpeedFan. Since this custom circuitry is not known, SpeedFan does not try to "guess" it as any reading wouldn't be safe. If you get really odd voltage readings, simply enter configuration and uncheck the relevant ones."
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January 9, 2011 8:26:42 PM

ok. That answers the speedfan question. Thanks.

I guess i am at a loss as to what to do now. I dont know why HWMonitor does not display GPU temp but speedfan does and its 61C......again this is idle......ie...no gaming going on. I would expect this value to go up if games are played.............so does this mean my GPU is "bad" or is something else "bad".

Not sure what running prime95 would tell me.

Thoughts?

Recall, my problem is that my computer display just "quits" (ie...monitor displays image that says no signal to monitor) when I play the certain on-line games. Just surfing the net it does not shut down but apparently even just surfing the GPU temp is 61C...............

Thoughts? Guess i am confused as to what to do now.
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January 9, 2011 9:17:33 PM

Don't know why your GPU isn't coming up? I KNOW it 'can' read your 8800 GTS. Maybe clean the GPU's contacts with a pencil eraser + Isopropyl alcohol? Maybe a bad GPU??!!
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January 9, 2011 9:40:27 PM

How did you insert that picture?

I will remove the graphics card and clean the contacts an try again.


thanks.
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January 9, 2011 9:47:03 PM

I just copied this URL from another post; for my photos I use http://photobucket.com/ {free}. Alt + PrtScn and paste into an image editor and save as jpeg.
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January 9, 2011 9:48:38 PM

You upload to a site like PhotoBucket and post the link provided from the site. It should be
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January 9, 2011 9:50:12 PM

:lol: 

jaquith beat me to it :lol: 
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January 10, 2011 10:02:34 PM

Thanks for showing me how to post pics. I signed up for a photobucket account.

I did have an update on my "heating issue". Its kinda long but i will try and keep it short.

I took everything out of my case (which really needs to be upgraded.........its old and has alsmost no cooling capacity)..........any suggestions on this? I then cleaned with can of air cpu heatsink and graphics card really well. I looked at the MOB. I found TWO capacitors that were "bad". I replaced them. I installed a friends graphics card which happened to be the EXACT SAME as mine. I booted up the machine and let it run for 30min recording data every so often. Then did the same thing with my graphics card.

Results: My friends card was 10c cooler than mine. At idles my card was ~ 62c and my friends was ~ 51c.

I then ran my online game using my card and it runs about 76c after about 20min of hard gaming. But i did have the graphics turned all the way down. So if i increase graphics temp would probably go up.

I read somewher ethat i can increase the fan speed on my 8800gts before i start playing games but i dont know how to do this.

Well thats it for now.
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January 10, 2011 10:11:28 PM

Download the EVGA Percision tool from EVGA's site. This will allow you to setup profiles to increase fan speed when gaming... Etc.

http://www.evga.com/precision/
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January 10, 2011 11:32:42 PM

hi,

i will check it out.

I was just playing the online game and my computer shut down AGAIN! But this time i know the temp was not too high. The GPU was about 76c and the cpus were about 48c...............what else could it be?

Could it be the power supply? If so how would i check it?

ARHHHH this is really frustrating!
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January 10, 2011 11:50:27 PM

Power Supply is the next option... What is your make, model / watts?
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January 11, 2011 12:05:27 AM

ok, i did not see tecmo34's comment before clicking reply.

My model is a thermaltake toughpower 700W.

Thats all that i can see on the box........i kept the box from when i built the computer a few years ago.


NOte: I did some surfing on the internet and was looking up intermitent failures. I found this site that said go to your event viewer and look at it.........i did..............i am posting the results here.




in event viewer if you click on the last entry before the shutdown (assuming this is what caused it) below is what i read
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The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{BC866CF2-5486-41F7-B46B-9AA49CF3EBB1}
to the user NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE SID (S-1-5-19). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.
********************************************
could i have some sort of virus causing this?
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January 11, 2011 9:43:39 AM

ok. this thread has taken may paths and i want to review what i do know about my problem in hopes that someone can help me figure this thing out.

Problem: While playing the online game LOTRO my computer either "shuts down" or "i lose the display and i hvae to reboot my computer". These have only happened during game play.

Because the problem ony happened during online game play i ASSUMED it was a "temp" issue. Based on suggestions in this thread i have downloaded temp monitoring software and reviewed what is exceptable temps for my video card. My card runs about 76c during game play, which is somewhat normal for a Geforce 8800GTS.

I did find two "bad" caps on the mother board.........but i really wonder if this really caused a problem. It could be that there are more bad caps on the MOB. I dont know.

So, my problem is i have intermitent shutdown/lose display during LOTRO game play. What can i do if anything to find out what is causing the problem.
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January 11, 2011 10:22:50 AM

Let's go back a step to the PSU.

Have you got any other games you can play that will stress your system?

If not, have you ran a stresstest such as 3DMark....?

If it still crashes, try to find a friend who has a PSU capable of the needs your system demands and if it no longer crashes.. well, keep the PSU ;) . Alternatively, if you have no other games or stresstests you can take your computer to a local store and get them to install a PSU to test your system out.


If you google the message you received:

The machine-default permission settings do not grant Local Activation permission for the COM Server application with CLSID
{BC866CF2-5486-41F7-B46B-9AA49CF3EBB1}
to the user NT AUTHORITY\LOCAL SERVICE SID (S-1-5-19). This security permission can be modified using the Component Services administrative tool.

It comes up with a number of forums with answers saying it fixed the problem. To be honest i don't get what the error is, but hey, if it fixes the crashes then that's it.

Tried a fresh install of windows?
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January 21, 2011 1:06:14 PM

Best answer selected by welchs101.
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