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March 29, 2010 5:24:10 AM

Current set up.

amd 3800x2
not to sure the mb, asus
4 gigs ddr2 800
8800 gt
550 watt ps


Im thinking of upgrading a little, my question is it worth it or should I just buy a new card.

I'm going to be playing swtor so I would like to be ready for that. I enjoy oblivion but its such a pig, it plays ok....
lags out a little when running around the forest though, I would enjoy a smoother game play.

This is what I was looking at:
ASUS M4A77TD AM3 AMD 770 ATX AMD
MD Athlon II X4 620 Propus 2.6GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache Socket AM3 95W Quad-Core Processor
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
XFX HD-489X-ZSFC Radeon HD 4890 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready
CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W ATX12V / EPS12V

The entire build would cost 1000 with windows7 :) 
I'm I just wasting my money? Any help would be great!!!
Should I wait? Just upgrade some parts?

THanks Z :hello: 

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a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2010 5:43:45 AM

Run CPUz from www.cpuid.com and click on the motherboard tab and get the model from there. You can also pop your side door case off and check for labeling directly on the motherboard.

It will greatly help if you can give the exact model of your motherboard as you might be able to upgrade to a better cpu (BIOS flash likely required) with the current hardware you have.

You're new setup you are considering will work nicely. I just can't recommend going that route as of yet without knowing what your current motherboard cpu support limitations are... = )
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 29, 2010 6:19:53 AM

For $1k you should at least be able to make that a Phenom II. The PSU is a bit much unless you plan on crossfiring at some point and that motherboards second PCIE slot is x4 which basically makes it useless. I'd go for an HD5770 over the HD4890 myself, especially if you want to crossfire later on.
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a c 236 U Graphics card
March 29, 2010 2:20:52 PM

jyjjy said:
For $1k you should at least be able to make that a Phenom II.


he may not be in the USA
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March 29, 2010 3:24:47 PM

Hi Thanks guys for the reply.

Ok my mb is the m3a <green> a1m0ab209358

My ps is the antec tru power 550 btw.


Ya Im in canada, the parts are not as cheap as teh usa. If you guys though it would make a difference I would get a slightly better cpu and mb though. All I really use the pc for is basic stuff and GAMES :) 

For that 1000 though I get everything case and all and could maybe sell this one to a buddy for a few bucks, not to worried about it though.
I just cant wait to play this game... http://www.swtor.com/media/trailers/deceived-cinematic-...


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a c 236 U Graphics card
March 29, 2010 3:30:18 PM

Z

the could thing about a MMO is that they don't push hardware in order to have as many people as they can play the game. Your best bet would be to wait for the game's Beta to start and see what the game specs are. A short term fix would be a CPU ugrade. The 8800GT is still a good card for DX 9 games and can play DX 10 at solid levels.

FYI, If you can play Dragon Age & Mass Effect on good settings you will be able to play SWTOR
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a b U Graphics card
March 29, 2010 7:49:14 PM

Upgrade the processor hands down. If this is your board get a quad:

http://reviews.cnet.com/motherboards/asus-m3a-motherboa...

It appears your board supports up to the 1st generation Phenom x2 & x4 cpus and not the 2nd gen chips. This is fine. I would get the cheapest quad I could find and be done with it for a while.

I would do something like this:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You will see a nice difference and save the 900 you didn't spend for a rainy day...
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March 30, 2010 1:01:10 AM

Thanks for all your help!

Would I have to flash my bios? Im a noob lol
If it was just plug and play would I have to reinstall windows?
Man i just want a new rig so bad, I think im just addicted to looking at pc parts! :D 

Much love Z :bounce: 
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 1:53:20 AM

You may need to update the bios, maybe not but it's a good idea anyway. You will not need to reinstall windows after upgrading the CPU.
But if you really want a new system then go for it. I still think what you listed shouldn't $1k. Even with Canadian prices you should be able to work out even an i7 system on that budget.
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 2:46:29 AM

zaqizbaq said:
Thanks for all your help!

Would I have to flash my bios? Im a noob lol
If it was just plug and play would I have to reinstall windows?
Man i just want a new rig so bad, I think im just addicted to looking at pc parts! :D 

Much love Z :bounce: 



Its a disease we all get from time to time. If you can afford it then go for it. I was just making a suggestion to try to save you some money if you really didn't want or need to spend it.

I just think you can get what you want out of the cpu upgrade in itself. Theres no law saying you cant build a new pc if you want to... :bounce:  :D 
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March 30, 2010 4:09:36 AM

Cool guys!

Ill list ALL the parts so you can see the G$



So you really think the cpu is the key! What bothers me the most at this point is playing oblivion and getting little load lags when running through the forest, it still plays mw2 like a champ, tis is tru.

Cpu fixes oblivion? My card is the 8800gt 512, I have a perfect 3870 just sitting here! My buddy upgraded and just gave me the 3870..

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
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a c 236 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 4:11:14 AM

the 8800GT is a better card then the 3870
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 4:55:18 AM
a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 1:40:39 PM

The same cpu is now 139.99 and free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


This card is clocked a little higher for the same price and has a lifetime warranty:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

if you want to save a few bucks, its stock clocks and lifetime warranty:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Enter promo code EMCYPPY55 for free shipping:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Personally for me, I found I prefer to upgrade my single video card to the latest best video card instead of investing in 2 or 3 video cards. I have a Q9550 with a 780i motherboard and I went tri-sli with 3 8800gtx acs3 video cards and had to put a floor fan in front of the case to keep from sweating while playing games.

Generally the newer cards run cooler and use less power than older cards (not always but usually). Especially compared to 2 older cards vs 1 single card. That almost always will be a cooler setup and less power draw. So technically you could go with a motherboard with a single pci-ex slot to expand your options on what motherboards you can use. Thats up to you...



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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:06:22 PM

Suggestions from the US newegg site are kinda pointless in this situation.
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:11:26 PM

Oversight on my behalf, thanks for your correction a second time.

The product suggestions are still relevant so keep that in mind...
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:20:47 PM

Stick with your original cpu. The lack of the l3 cache isn't going to be visible. I can vouch for that as I own one too. Great cpu for the price.

The video card and processor is what I would consider changing. Other than that the rest looks good. I would prefer a corsair power supply but its not cheap in Canada.

Hit this link to see if you can get addition savings with their promo codes:

http://vouchercodes.ca/brand-names/newegg-canada/
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a c 376 U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:23:56 PM

The whole point was that he was spending a grand and only getting an Athlon II. For that kind of money he can and should get a Phenom II.
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 7:38:11 PM

Only getting an Athlon II? Theres not that much difference in the two cpus. If he wants to spend the xtra mpney to get the Deneb, thats his choice.

If he doesn't, my point is he will be plenty fine with the Athlon II. There's NOT much difference in performance between the two.

The Athlon II 620 is a direct comparison to the C2D Q6600 which in any instance is no slacker of a processor and the 925 is barely above both of them in performance. He wont notice the difference.

Get this one and you will be even closer to the performance of the 925:

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

The comparison is like trying to decide which nascar driver to ride with. Sure some are faster than others but all are going upwards of 200 mph and will cure your desire for speed. = P
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March 30, 2010 9:52:38 PM

You guys are amazing!! Thank you so much!

I found someone to buy my current rig, so I'm going to go ahead and purchase and build.
I will look through all this information and keep you guys posted! muhaha Its gona be fun!

Thanks guys! :love: 
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a b U Graphics card
March 30, 2010 11:54:37 PM

Awesome! Let us know if you have any Q's... = )
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April 1, 2010 3:45:17 AM

OHOH.

Msi only comes with the one year warranty?! Im I better off with asus, spend a few bucks more for the three years? :sarcastic: 
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a b U Graphics card
April 1, 2010 5:56:51 AM

zaqizbaq said:
OK im about to pull the trigger I'm just looking for the thumbs up.

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

I just want to be sure the ram and mb go together ok.. In the mb specs is says 1066, not 1600.
The ram can be very confusing! I just want to double check with you pros on this one.

Thanks in advance. :) 


It would simply downscale the speed of the ram to 1200mhz to match the boards max speed support. It would work fine.

zaqizbaq said:
OHOH.

Msi only comes with the one year warranty?! Im I better off with asus, spend a few bucks more for the three years? :sarcastic: 


If the 1 year warranty scares you, then consider this board:


http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...

I think jyjjy recommended that board so you would get two pci-ex 16x lanes instead of 1 16x and 1 8x or 2 8x lanes. Do you see yourself going crossfire or selling your old card and putting the money you wouldve spent on a second card and getting the latest greatest card or at least one that fits the budget that will match or beat two of your current cards?

I suggest sticking with a single card solution and getting a card with new features that new hardware has to offer.

I am running a 780i mobo and that has 3 pci-ex slots for tri-sli. I would much rather own a single fastest card vs 3 older cards. I have tried that route already and wasn't for me. But thats for you to decide for yourself...
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April 1, 2010 3:44:11 PM

I like the idea of one card really. I was thinking of just getting one 5770, its not a super card but Im sure it will be better than the 8800, and it means I can get a smaller ps as well. I like asus, I think I'll look around for the single slot card. So much to consider when building.
I like the idea of multi cards, but some people say they dont get the result they were looking for, and like you say the heat must be horrible and power ect.
Should I just go with my first card choice?
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a b U Graphics card
April 1, 2010 5:16:00 PM

You can add a few more components to this system with the psu I suggested. Don't think you are on the edge of its capacity and will blow something out if you add another hard drive.

I had a quad cpu, the same video card and 5 hard drives, 5 -120mm fans and 2 dvd roms installed with no issues. I had all of the connectors used on the psu was my only issue and had to use some splitters. Not a big deal by no means...
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April 2, 2010 5:18:27 AM

Well I did it parts have been ordered! :ouch: 

I would just like to say thank you for the help!! :love: 


I will update :hello: 

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a b U Graphics card
April 3, 2010 4:32:59 AM

Awesome! What exactly did you order? You can abbreviate the parts list manually or post links.

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April 4, 2010 7:14:19 PM

Yoyo :wahoo: 

Ok

http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1683...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1681...
http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E1682...

So with tax and shipping it comes to 907. Canadian.
With a mouse and windows 7.
I will sell my old rig for 500 and total cost is 407.
I know I did not really need a new pc, but I've been wanting to build one for a while so now I can get the monkey off back back and just do it :) 
It is not a huge upgrade but Im hoping this budget build will last me a few years. I sure did cheap out though, wish I had a few thousand to build a scream machine after looking at so many great parts. Im cheap what can I say :p 

Now I wonder if I can build it ! :lol: 

Z

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April 7, 2010 1:10:44 AM

Half my parts arrived today and the rest should be here tomorrow.

Q: I have the samsung 226bw monitor, it does not have hd, I'm I going to be missing out with my new 5770?

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