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Hello,

I have a Dell inspiron 531:
http://www.crucial.com/uk/store/li [...] iron%20531

According to crucial.com i can only possibly upgrade my computer to 4gb.

However i have 4 RAM slots so could potentially put in more than 1gb per slot. I have windows 7 x64 which doesn't limit this.

Is crucial.com right in saying that 4gb is my max despite this?

Any help would be appreciated.

Thank you.

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Welcome, Newcomer. Crucial's scan tool is correct. Despite having 4 DIMM slots, each slot only supports up to 1GB. True, Win 7 x64 can support more than 4GB, but it can't change the limitations of your motherboard.

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4GB is the limit.
the 531 board only has 4MB of VRAM which kinda restricts it from running up to it's potential.
4GB of DDR2 800MHz is the absolute limit..
4GB(2x2GB) in slots 1 and 2 (farthest away from the middle) is the configuration for dual channel mode.
just populate those two slots with 2GB sticks and you will be set.


Message edited by malmental on 01-05-2011 at 06:32:06 PM
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brilliant, thank you for the help.

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let me know if you want cpu, video, processor and powers supply upgrade info..

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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-EA-3 [...] 834&sr=1-2

^^^
would this work with my pc?

i've been recommended it in another part of the forum, hoping to change my psu to get a new graphics card.

Thanks!

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changing your psu to run what what kind of gfx card.?
see here's the thing, the 531 can only run an higher end OLDER dual core amd athlon 64x2 and it maxes out @ 3.1GHz Brisbane and 3.2GHz Windsor.
those chips are not strong enough to push a higher end gfx card like a GTX470 or better, you will have a bottleneck.
and without any overclocking in that unit, to be honest a GTX460 might be pushing it..

 

so upgrading the power supply to run what gfx card.?
it's really not logical to do so.
the Dell OEM power supply for your unit is 300-watts and Dell OEM psu is actually stronger than listed or labeled..
and physical dimension wise I do not know if you can fit a dual slotted gfx card.
keep your Dell power supply and just get an ATI HD5670 and roll with that, my recommendation.
the HD5670 calls for a 400-watt system but don't worry about that, it will run on yours now.
guarantee it.
becuase soon it will be time to build new or look for newer unit..

 

and by the way, you do not want a eco green power supply.!
if anything get a real ATX psu like Corsair Builder's Series 430-watt..
but that will be for future reference..


Message edited by malmental on 01-11-2011 at 12:49:34 AM
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well at the moment my gfx is a Radeon X1650 which isn't a bad one,
http://www.amd.com/us/products/des [...] tions.aspx

i thought i'd upgrade to at Radeon HD 5750
http://www.amd.com/us/products/des [...] iew.aspx#3

my theory is that if i upgrade my pc bit by bit, when it comes to a complete upgrade, i might be able to build on the cheap by using bits from my 531 that i've upgraded.

the main thing i'm aware of is that my mother board it behind the times, but i've never homebuilt a computer before and i've only ever changed RAM and graphics cards before so i'm a complete novice when it comes to anything else really.

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weeweeplopplop wrote :

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Antec-EA-3 [...] 834&sr=1-2

^^^
would this work with my pc?

i've been recommended it in another part of the forum, hoping to change my psu to get a new graphics card.

Thanks!


I don't do green power supplies...

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weeweeplopplop wrote :

well at the moment my gfx is a Radeon X1650 which isn't a bad one,
http://www.amd.com/us/products/des [...] tions.aspx

 

i thought i'd upgrade to at Radeon HD 5750
http://www.amd.com/us/products/des [...] iew.aspx#3

 

my theory is that if i upgrade my pc bit by bit, when it comes to a complete upgrade, i might be able to build on the cheap by using bits from my 531 that i've upgraded.

 

the main thing i'm aware of is that my mother board it behind the times, but i've never homebuilt a computer before and i've only ever changed RAM and graphics cards before so i'm a complete novice when it comes to anything else really.


the HD5750 is a dual slot card, can you physically fit that card into that box.?
it also requires a 6-pin power plug and the Dell power supply of 300-watts does not have one I believe.
so upgrading but NOT to a green psu is a recommendation for the power requirements but now about the size..
and, your motherboard chipset is nVidia and though an ATi card would run I personally like to stay with nVidia becuase that's the chipset. IMO..
if can fit the dual slotted card then I recommend a nVidia GTS 450 becuase remember it's not worth going better in that Dell unit
becuase of processor limitations..

 

your theory is somewhat possible but it has to be quality and very recent hardware.

 

building a box can be simple with enough research, common sense and educational resources..

 


Message edited by malmental on 01-12-2011 at 04:32:09 PM
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so you're saying theoretically that if i can fit a dual slot graphics card in and a bigger psu then it could be worth it, but you'd recommend an nvidia so it matches my chipset?

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product [...] 531-1C.jpg

here's the back of my pc, i think that it can fit a dualslot graphics card in, i'll open mine up tomorrow and take a photo to upload so you get a better picture. i've looked on a few links n i think it might be best for me to measure the dimensions of my current PSU too.

SO, if everything were to work out size wise, how much would my processor limit the usage of a decent graphics card like the hd5750?

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I think your current psu is a regular ATX psu so that shouldn't be a problem.
yes, to nVidia and psu..

what's your current processor.?

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weeweeplopplop wrote :

so you're saying theoretically that if i can fit a dual slot graphics card in and a bigger psu then it could be worth it, but you'd recommend an nvidia so it matches my chipset?

 

http://www.pacificgeek.com/product [...] 531-1C.jpg

 

here's the back of my pc, i think that it can fit a dualslot graphics card in, i'll open mine up tomorrow and take a photo to upload so you get a better picture. i've looked on a few links n i think it might be best for me to measure the dimensions of my current PSU too.

 

SO, if everything were to work out size wise, how much would my processor limit the usage of a decent graphics card like the hd5750?

 

I forgot they started making some single slot higher performance cards..
examples:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

 

this will definitely take away the worry of it physically fitting.

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Message edited by malmental on 01-13-2011 at 03:41:12 AM
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malmental wrote :

I forgot they started making some single slot higher performance cards..
examples:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

this will definitely take away the worry of it physically fitting.



Ok so i've taken some snaps and had a look, i think a dual slot should fit but i'll upload a pic so you can have a look for yourself!
http://vileandcheeky.tumblr.com/#2728956550

If the dual slot does fit, should i get a new PSU for something like an ati hd5750 or will my current PSU do the trick?


ALSO

i have a new problem:
Crucial recommended me this RAM - http://www.crucial.com/store/mpart [...] B9A5CA7304
I bought this RAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] 0403540640

i arrived today, when i install it the computer wont boot and just beeps, suggesting it's not right, but it looks very much compatible to me. Any ideas?

- My processor is AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2 CPUs) ~2.6GHz

Sorry to keep pestering you for all this help!


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take it as a sign of fate becuase you didn't want that RAM anyways...
you want PC2-6400 DDR2 800MHz CL5.

 

tell you what I'm going to link how to max your unit out, give me some time and check back.

 

P.S.
looks like the dual slotted card will fit.


Message edited by malmental on 01-13-2011 at 04:56:56 PM
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MAX-OUT Inspiron 531 on 300-watt Dell power supply:
cpu:
1.) athlon 64x2 5800+ (3.0GHz) brisbane - ADA5800IAA5DO 89-watt
rates better than the 3.1GHz
or
2.) athlon 64x2 6000+ (3.1GHz) brisbane - ADV6000DOBOX 89-watt
fastest stock clock brisbane model
cpu/cooler: upgrade kit
1.) Noctua NH-U9B cpu cooler
RAM:
1.) PC2-6400 DDR2 800MHz CL5 Dell/Samsung/Elpida to name a few
graphics card: (300-watt psu, remember)
1.) nVidia GT240 DDR5 1GB version
or
2.) ATi HD5670

 

now with a better power supply you can go better with the video card but your processor will be a limitation like I stated becuase it can only be dual core
athlon and that is not that strong of a chip, never was so if keeping this unit DO NOT go for too strong of a video card.
it's pointless..


Message edited by malmental on 01-13-2011 at 05:35:37 PM
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weeweeplopplop wrote :

Ok so i've taken some snaps and had a look, i think a dual slot should fit but i'll upload a pic so you can have a look for yourself!
http://vileandcheeky.tumblr.com/#2728956550

If the dual slot does fit, should i get a new PSU for something like an ati hd5750 or will my current PSU do the trick?


ALSO

i have a new problem:
Crucial recommended me this RAM - http://www.crucial.com/store/mpart [...] B9A5CA7304
I bought this RAM - http://cgi.ebay.com/ws/eBayISAPI.d [...] 0403540640

i arrived today, when i install it the computer wont boot and just beeps, suggesting it's not right, but it looks very much compatible to me. Any ideas?

- My processor is AMD Athlon 64X2 Dual Core Processor 5000+ (2 CPUs) ~2.6GHz

Sorry to keep pestering you for all this help!


In the UK right.?
http://www.amazon.co.uk/G-Skill-PC [...] B000RJH32C

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Reply to malmental

hmm i was hoping to keep the upgrades cheap/easy for the minute,

1) are those processors big upgrades or slight upgrades? expensive?

2) would the cooler be entirely necessary?

3) are those graphics cards a massive step up from my ati x1650?

4) that ram is really expensive, is there any way to get the ram i bought to work? i literally cannot understand why it won't!?

cheers for the research!

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1.) http://www.amazon.co.uk/AMD-Athlon [...] B003Z96YA8

 

2.) cooler is not necessary just an example of what you can do with this unit and the 521 as well.
just if you do the cpu upgrade use AS5 thermal paste or better and you will have no problems.
3.) yes, crazy massive step-up from x1650.
4.) it will run DDR2 667MHz, again I'm just showing you the maximum that you can use.
even if you run windows 32-bit OS then 2GB of DDR2 800MHz can work for now.


Message edited by malmental on 01-13-2011 at 10:58:44 PM
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^
this those modifications/ recommendations you WILL be able to game at very decent rate..

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cool cool, i think i'm finally cracking down on my problems haha.

OK so...

1) which is better, the ati hd 5670 or the 5750?
2) i'm correct in thinking neither will require a psu upgrade?
3)http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190403540640&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

i've bought these RAM, they've arrived, but the PC won't boot and just beeps when i put them in, they seem v compatible if crucial is to be believed:

http://www.crucial.com/store/listp [...] iron%20531

any ideas why this might be happening?

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the HD5750 is pushing the psu limit but it can work (i'm 50/50 about that choice), HD5670 is a all around solid choice.

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weeweeplopplop wrote :

cool cool, i think i'm finally cracking down on my problems haha.

 

OK so...

 

1) which is better, the ati hd 5670 or the 5750?
2) i'm correct in thinking neither will require a psu upgrade?
3)http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=190403540640&ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT

 

i've bought these RAM, they've arrived, but the PC won't boot and just beeps when i put them in, they seem v compatible if crucial is to be believed:

 

http://www.crucial.com/store/listp [...] iron%20531

 

any ideas why this might be happening?


yes, because you need this instead..:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-T [...] 531&sr=8-7

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Message edited by malmental on 01-14-2011 at 01:41:18 AM
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whats the reason for my one not being compatible?
if i can work it out then i can get the guy on ebay to exchange maybe.

saying i went for the 5750 and was gonna upgrade my PSU, you got any good affordable suggestions for tht?
my current psu is 15cm x 14cm x 9cm

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timing - speed - latency...
I know for the fact that DDR2 800MHz CL5 5-5-5-18 will work.
I use them in mine..

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do they have to be compatible with old ram? i already have 2 x 1gb ram in there

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No, I do not recommend it unless you have a LGA775 chipset and you have AMD so do not mix.
a little info for you.

 

AMD uses something called an IMC (Integrated Memory Controller).
It helps the AMD chips perform very well in memory related tasks (because now the ram isn't controlled by the motherboard through the FSB)
but it also has a few quirks.
The IMC doesn't seem to like a lot of stress, and so in general, you wont get as much of an OC out of your ram if you have all of your ram slots populated.
So it should be easier to get more performance out of only two sticks of ram.

 

*Intels Nahelem architecture utilizes this same design, leaving the Core 2 series as the only mainstream processor to still use the FSB design.

 

Also, the same thing goes for mismatched ram, the IMC just doesn't like it.
So if you have ram that is not from the same kit, and are experiencing instability, try taking out the non-matching set, and see if that helps out.

 

Also, you might have heard about the “timings” of the ram, and how that is important.
I have seen a lot of people get confused with that.
Let me explain this as simply as I can.

 

There is memory speed, and then there are memory timings.

 

Speed is the frequency that the memory operates at (in MHz... and remember that when you are looking in CPU-z that ram is DDR [Double Data Rate], so the frequency that it says will always be half of what it is actually running at). It is fairly straightforward and easy to understand.
And remember that the ram speed is tied to the reference clock, and in this way you can easily OC your ram beyond the stock speed.
Speed is mostly important for higher bandwidth, as it just means that the ram can move more information.

 

Timings are different, and should not be confused with the speed. Timings do not effect the speed (in MHz) of the ram at all.
Instead, they change how “efficient” the ram is. In other words, the timings affect the “turnaround” of the information.
The timings are generally listed something like this: 5-5-5-18. While I wont go into all of the details about what those each mean here,
I can give you a basic idea of what the timings mean. Timings change how long the ram will wait to do something.
So having ram with looser (numerically higher) timings, means that the ram will “wait” longer in between processes.
Using the example of 5-5-5-18 ram, information is copied, it then waits for 5 clock cycles before it moves onto the next step.
Ram with 7-7-7-23 timings running at the same speed (in MHz) will move the information there just as quickly,
but then will need to wait for 7 cycles between doing things, rather than 5.
This is why “performance” ram is in fact faster.


Message edited by malmental on 01-15-2011 at 04:54:23 PM
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yea it's baffling why the RAM i bought doesn't work, i'm returning it and shall get the RAM you suggested. Is the higher the MHz the better the RAM?

what PSU would you recommend for a HD5750?

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the higher the MHz the faster the RAM and the lower the latency the quicker the RAM..
I do not recommend the HD5750 if you are getting a power supply.
I recommend the GTS450 for your unit...! nVidia like your chipset..
and any psu up to 500-watts (don't need that much, even a 430-watt Corsair Builder's Series psu will work) just make sure it has the 6-pin power plug or two..

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ok GTS450 or HD5770?

and a cheap power supply you can recommend for either that will be compatible?

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for you the GTS450 for a few reasons why IMO..
performance wise it's the HD5770 equal and also adds CUDA and other nVidia bonuses, plus it's your motherboard chipset.
as for power supply, I try and find a specific one for you.


Message edited by malmental on 01-15-2011 at 04:53:42 PM
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http://www.amazon.co.uk/Corsair-Bu [...] 394&sr=1-1
Corsair Builder Series CX430, 430 Watt

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cool cool i think i'll go with your recommendations,

with regards to the PSU, on the link it says:
Product Dimensions: 40 x 25 x 20 cm ; 2.6 Kg

surely that can't be correct?

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weeweeplopplop wrote :

cool cool i think i'll go with your recommendations,

with regards to the PSU, on the link it says:
Product Dimensions: 40 x 25 x 20 cm ; 2.6 Kg

surely that can't be correct?


let me check on something, hold on..

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Inspiron 531 power supply specs:

 

Power
DC power supply:
Wattage
300 W
Maximum heat dissipation
162 W

 

NOTE: Heat dissipation is calculated by using the power supply wattage rating.

 

Voltage (see the safety instructions located in the Product Information Guide for important voltage setting information)
115/230 Vac, 50/60 Hz, 7 A/4 A
Coin cell battery
3-V CR2032 lithium coin cell

 

Physical Height
36.2 cm (14.2 inches)
Width
17.0 cm (6.7 inches)
Depth
43.5 cm (17.1 inches)
Weight
12.7 kg (28.0 lb)

 

going to cross-reference some power supply dimensions.. BRB.


Message edited by malmental on 01-15-2011 at 07:58:12 PM
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Dell Part Number: XW599 or FU909
400-watt

 

example:
http://cgi.ebay.com/Dell-Inspiron- [...] 335bd6b400


Message edited by malmental on 01-15-2011 at 08:20:30 PM
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that link says it's 300w, i'm pretty sure i already have a 300w psu?

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wrong one, my apologies...
let me correct that.

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http://cgi.ebay.com/DELL-Inspiron- [...] 5881bed690
350-watt
DELL G849G 350W Power Supply

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and that'll fit and be perfect for the GTS450?

It's the 1gb version of the GTS450 i presume?

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it's good and the manufacturer of the 350-watt power supply US version is LiteOn, good solid maker..

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according to the nvidia website, the GTS450 needs a minimum of 400w, you sure 350 will be enough?

Reply to weeweeplopplop

YES..!
and were also talking about a Dell certified psu it can handle heavier cards than that..


Message edited by malmental on 01-16-2011 at 02:08:03 AM
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cool cool, i'm gonna go for that combo, i'll link anything before i pay for it just incase i'm getting a dud version haha.

thanks for your help!

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no problem, enjoy..

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going back to the old RAM issue, i've decided to get a refund on the RAM I bought off ebay. What 2 x 1gb RAM would you recommend?

Before you said this: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-T [...] 531&sr=8-7

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I'll look, hold on..

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Reply to malmental

if link doesn't populate correctly this is what I'm talking about:
Kingston KTD-DM8400C6/1G
(KTD-DM8400C6/1G)

 

http://www.kingston.com/ukroot/


Message edited by malmental on 01-18-2011 at 01:29:34 AM
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also, considering I have 2x 1GB already in my pc, from what i understand a 2 x 2GB is preferable to a 4x 1GB setup. How cheaply could i obtain a 2 x 2GB setup? I'm reluctant to spend more than 40/50 quid on RAM.

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