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Hi guys, I'm buiding a new rig and I'm a bit unsure about the memory I should use.

ComponentsI've got so far:
Phenom II X6 1100T
ASUS M4N98TD EVO, nForce 980a SLI

16GB of either:

Kingston HyperX DIMM XMP Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-27 (DDR3-1600) (no lifelong warranty)
G.Skill RipJaws DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1600)
GeIL Black Dragon DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-28 (DDR3-1600)
Corsair Vengeance DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1600) (no lifelong warranty)
G.Skill Trident DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL7-8-7-24 (DDR3-1600)

Now I got a list which memory types are supported with this board, but the titles are all different :( Or I just can' figure it out.
I'll use this for 3D rendering, Graphics and video, I don't plan on overclocking as I've read stabilizing 16GB on 2000MHz is quite impossible and I have no clue about OCing in general ;)
The GSkill Trident kit is almost 600€, but the CL looks quite good. I'm not that much of a crack to be able to tell if this will make a huge difference, so I'm asking you guys here :)
Elsewhere the Kingston chips were recommended, but they don't have lifelong warranty like GSkill or GEIL.

Please give me advice! Thank you!

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Asus should have a "qvL" listing for each board available as a pdf file. Check your board webpage on their site. Most of those brands should work; I use gskill ripjaws 1600, and it works well with my msi board.

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o1die wrote :

Asus should have a "qvL" listing for each board available as a pdf file. Check your board webpage on their site. Most of those brands should work; I use gskill ripjaws 1600, and it works well with my msi board.


The problem is - I checked this chart, as stated above, but they just list some Serial numbers or so... Maybe those are easy to find out. So you can recommend the Ripjaws? They seem quite well-priced, I've read a lot about them...

Reply to Corniger

wait.
why in the world do you need 16GB of RAM.?
what exactly are your tasks with this unit.?

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malmental wrote :

wait.
why in the world do you need 16GB of RAM.?
what exactly are your tasks with this unit.?



Liquid- and smoke simulations (mainly the latter, I had one with 15GB of scratch disk space...) consume that easily. If you don't have the RAM, you'll get the disk and 3D is time consuming enough ;) And I was pretty disappointed how quickly I maxed out my current 8GB. So I'm getting the maximum possible.

Tasks:

3D
image manipulation (a LOT of
video editing
sound editing (up to 120 tracks, multi-layer sampling etc.)

So I need an affordable workstation for multi-threaded applications. RAM is my last obstacle, besides a smaller SSD Raid which I'll implement in case the 16GB still are not enough. I don't max it out just because I can or my size is too small :D I just want reasonable quality that lasts and it should save my time. So if you say the Ripjaws are fine, then I believe you. If you advise me to spend € 600 on the Tridents because it would be crucial to my photo editing to have RAM that reacts quickly, I will get those. But really, I can't tell if CL 9 will be much worse than CL 7. Honestly, I don't have an effin' clue so I ask :)

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The Corsair Dominator CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 as a Fully Matched 4X4GB set, since the RAM is not listed as QVL {NO 2X4GB or 4X4GB are listed} I would encourage your to submit a ticket at Corsair or any RAM Mfg before purchasing high density kits http://www.corsair.com/support/technicalsupport Fully matched 4X_GB or 6X_GB are indeed worth the difference in cost, and are the least problematic from their BIN Sorting match; example 2X4GB Kit1+ 2X4GBKit2 could be from BIN1 to BIN6 sort.

Corsair is the least problematic RAM in this forum, and I am confident the CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 Kit will indeed work. The quality of RAM is primarily from the IC's used {e.g. 9-9-9-24 is often faster than 7-8-7-24 with CAS disparity}.

Corsair Tested -> http://www2.corsair.com/configurat [...] id=1449452
Corsair Phenom II -> http://www.corsair.com/memory-3/am [...] om-ii.html

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jaquith wrote :

Corsair is the least problematic RAM in this forum, and I am confident the CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 Kit will indeed work. The quality of RAM is primarily from the IC's used {e.g. 9-9-9-24 is often faster than 7-8-7-24 with CAS disparity}.

Corsair Tested -> http://www2.corsair.com/configurat [...] id=1449452
Corsair Phenom II -> http://www.corsair.com/memory-3/am [...] om-ii.html



OK, that was already very useful info! The disparity hint made it a very logical point, thanks! I'll submit a ticket and see what they say, I'll just copy and paste what you wrote so I don't make an ass out of myself :lol: I worry about availability... The ones I listed are all 16GB kits, shouldn't they be matched or are the probably just packed in a box of 4?

Reply to Corniger

understood.
good-luck.

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Reply to malmental

malmental wrote :

understood.
good-luck.


Why does that sound ironic :na:

Reply to Corniger

paranoia (don't take the RED pill) ... LOL.


Message edited by malmental on 01-05-2011 at 09:10:50 PM
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Reply to malmental

I took both, dude, horrible feeling! :o

Reply to Corniger

OK, I just checked specs at ASUS and AMD - and it's a little weird. First I read it supports 2000Mhz, but only in overclocked mode. Then I read about 1600 Mhz. Now both Asus AND AMD say its 1333? WTF?

AMD: Dual Channel PC3-10667U (DDR3-1333)
ASUS: 4 x DIMM, 16 GB, DDR3 2000*/1333/1066 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory

As I truly AM able to read, why the heck was I reading about 1600 everywhere? And: that means I'll have to stick with 1333, right? :(

Reply to Corniger

And one more thing: the QVL lists only 12GB modules, but the board, according to Asus, should be able to use 16 - so what the hell?

Reply to Corniger

1333MHz is the default speed of AM3 chips, anything higher than that has to be clocked or forced into system to run that fast.
summary: if wanting speeds greater than 1333MHz then you will have to overclock and also buy 1600MHz or faster RAM.

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Reply to malmental

:pfff: I don't know anything about overclocking and I never did it. That completely throws me out of whack.
Why, if neither MoBo nor CPU support more than 1333, do they list 1600 up to 1866? But no 2000, although it says on their own website? And only 12GB, although it say 16 on their own website? Man, that's weird...

Reply to Corniger

random sources or info....
I often have to physically see for myself sometimes to really know.
I feel your pain..

they list those RAM speeds because they are obtainable and there are now more enthusiast out there just as much as 'stock setting' general users..

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IF you can order from newegg, get the gskill sniper for $75 shipped. It's (2) 4 gb sticks at 1333 fsb, which is all you need. This is an email promo which expires soon. So two sets of this ram will only cost you $150. I use gskill, and it works fine.

Reply to o1die

^
there ya go..

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Reply to malmental

Jaquith up there posted about matched sets, so I'll dive into that. PLUS I still don't know if it can take 16 or only 12 GB, as website and QVL contradict each other!
Newegg seems US based, so I'll pay an arm and a leg for customs and wait half a year or 2 weeks or so :P

Reply to Corniger

hold on then, where are u.?

 

jaquith - is like memory guru around here...


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 03:13:05 PM
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Reply to malmental

Austria, Europe, and Newegg won't ship internationally, I checked. I don't use the german boards.
Yes, seems like, hopefully it'll catch his eye again :)

Reply to Corniger

amazon UK ship to you..?

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Reply to malmental

I hate Amazon. You shop for an hour and then they tell you "sorry we don't ship to you", NOT upfront. Doesn't even work from Germany sometimes, then you have to go in, contact sellers, negotiate and so on. BS.

Reply to Corniger

germany delivery, i'll check..

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Reply to malmental

No, Austria :) Shipping from Germany often won't work, that's what I meant. I have a great resource for comparison shopping here, but I need to know about that 16/12GB dilemma first :( And which freaking modules are REALLY gonna work... So problematic, never had such problems before..

Reply to Corniger

it can be a mess m8..
I will check on the RAM amount for you as well.


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 03:55:35 PM
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Reply to malmental

got it:
16GB of RAM in dual channel = 4x4GB max
I've got confirmation from different sources including:
http://www.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=1g8o5Sh3csqM5M8u

 


4 x DIMM, Max. 16 GB, DDR3 2000(O.C.)/1333/1066 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory
Dual Channel memory architecture
*AMD AM3 100 and 200 series CPU support up to DDR3 1066MHz
**Due to OS limitation, when installing total memory of 4GB capacity or more, Windows® 32-bit operation system may only recognize less than 3GB. Hence, a total installed memory of less than 3GB is recommended.
***Refer to www.asus.com or the user manual for the Memory QVL (Qualified Vendors Lists)


Message edited by malmental on 01-06-2011 at 04:00:56 PM
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Reply to malmental

And that is exactly the problem: inside the QVL, there is no talk of 16GB at all...
So should I just try to get SOME 4x4GB kit at 1333 and hope it'll work? Or get some that seem most similar to the ones specified?

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No. Your board is dual channel, not tripple or quad channel. Simply get two matching kits of 2x4 gb 1333 or 1600 ddr3, whichever is cheaper at your vender. You'll then have 4 matching sticks of 4 gb ddr3 for a total of 16gb. Your board should have 4 ram slots to fill with a max of 4 gb each. The $150 price from newegg is a benchmark price; you may not find any that cheap in europe, but it will give you some idea when converting to euros.

Reply to o1die

I understand Dual Channel, and I know the 3,6,9,12 etc G Ram from the Corei7 specs, so why on earth would they put 3, 6 & 12 GB kits on the QVL?
It won'tbe detrimental on performance if I use 1600 instead of 1333?

Reply to Corniger

no not detrimental..

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Reply to malmental

OK. Corsair doen't hav 4GB modules for my board. OCZ 2GB max for AMD. GeIL not even a single one. Kingston: nope.
GSkill: http://www.gskill.com/products.php?index=269 and no info
The only reasonable thing i found is at Patriot

Any experience?

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I'm also looking at the qvl list. Samsung chipset is listed most often as compatable with 4 gb sticks. Kingston also uses samsung (hynix) chips on some of it's ram. Find one of the 4 gb sticks listed on the qvl and see if your vender carries it, and simply order 4 of those sticks so they're all the same. They should work fine.

Reply to o1die

According to Kingston they don't :( They don't even list the chip brand in most places. KVR1333D3N9/4Gsports Samsung chips, but in the spec sheets on their website there's nothing to find. Also those are "Value" RAMS without heatsink, so I'm not entirely enthusiastic :(

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Corniger wrote :

Austria, Europe, and Newegg won't ship internationally, I checked. I don't use the german boards.
Yes, seems like, hopefully it'll catch his eye again :)


Where do you shop?? If you list a site then I'll see what they have listed, and pick out a few that I KNOW will work <or> that I'll show you how to verify.

Somewhere I glanced at 2X_GB being the 'same' as 4X_GB - they're not. Ideally the 'best' is to get RAM from the same BIN Sort 'if' possible. However, YES 2X(2X_GB) Kit(s) will work together, but 'I' prefer BIN2 not to be mixed with BIN6 sets if I have a choice; the channels are separated -- I'm willing to pay a little more for the luxury and confidence of a 4X_GB set.

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My final recommendation is to find a vender that will allow you to exchange the ram if it doesn't work. Newegg charges a 15% restocking fee for returned items (for comparison only). Also, if you get a matched set of 4 sticks that won't post, try just two of the sticks. At the post screen, go into the bios and be sure the "memory mapping" setting is enabled. Some boards have this setting in the memory section of the bios; some don't.

Reply to o1die

jaquith wrote :

Where do you shop?? If you list a site then I'll see what they have listed, and pick out a few that I KNOW will work <or> that I'll show you how to verify.



I shop here! And I'll be more than thankful if you manage to blow those stormclouds off my head :D

jaquith wrote :

Somewhere I glanced at 2X_GB being the 'same' as 4X_GB - they're not. Ideally the 'best' is to get RAM from the same BIN Sort 'if' possible. However, YES 2X(2X_GB) Kit(s) will work together, but 'I' prefer BIN2 not to be mixed with BIN6 sets if I have a choice; the channels are separated -- I'm willing to pay a little more for the luxury and confidence of a 4X_GB set.



You speak a very specialized language but I trust you understand it :D

@oldie: my problem is: this system needs to work as quickly as possible, because I'll have to finish a major job a.s.a.p., and my work schedule has no tolerance for standing in the Post office for between 4-40 minutes (no joke) - so I'd prefer, if possible, safety :) The board has a "RAM compatibility button", but I don't know if I can trust that...

Reply to Corniger

^
I can understand that, good-luck..
again. LOL.

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Reply to malmental

"Yes, the PGS38G1333LLKA should work on your Asus M4N98TD Evo. It has been certified to work on AMD Platforms.

Thank You for choosing Patriot Memory."
Can I trust him? :D

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I've used patriot ram and currently use one of their ssd's. If the vender will allow you to exchange it, then I would try it. Remember my recommendation to use two sticks if four won't boot up, and change the memory mapping setting to "enabled".

Reply to o1die

^+1

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Reply to malmental

Corsair's reply: "CMP16GX3M4A1333C9 is a fully matched kit and also compatible with your system. "

OK, what now: Corsair or Patriot? :) I was advised to take Corsair.... tough they don't post this kit on their own list. Either they're all ioncompetent or they wanna sell something :P

Reply to Corniger

And here we have a post from the Corsair forums... I think Patriot will do... OMG.

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Don't get Patriot; frequent visitors here...

I got tied up. I would send a Ticket to Corsair and Kingston and copy/paste ALL of the available 16GB >= 1600 MHz, and ask them which will work. While I'm comfortable that most will I won't guess for you. Most memory errors e.g. BSOD is mostly incorrect BIOS settings and voltages. However, I'm very clear the 4GB sticks are VERY touchy and ESPECIALLY touchy in 16GB configurations.

Corsair Ticket* -> http://www.corsair.com/support/technicalsupport
G.SKILL Ticket -> techsupport@gskill.com

*You can input your MOBO or choose not listed and put in th first RAM and use the comments to fill-in the rest.

No, there's no RAM on that limited list that I can 100% guarantee so the ticket is your best choice.


Message edited by jaquith on 01-08-2011 at 03:59:33 PM
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The support guy at Corsair said they should work, although I mentioned the problems due to Intel configuration. He said they are compatible, though they sport some Intel-specific feature. I guess I'll have to see :(

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That's the XMP info on the sticks and means nothing. Even on a full XMP compatible stick/MOBO I often don't use the feature, it's not needed and too often in 4 or 6 stick configuration won't work anyway. Meaning if Corsair says they'll work I would trust that they indeed will work.

If there's a problem the #1 thing I would do is set the DRAM Voltages per spec -> failure increase +0.1~0.2v. High density RAM requires additional voltages +50% of the time.

Reply to jaquith

I would set the Rams up exactly the way their description says. Problem is if there are 20 more parameters like on the Abit board I recently looked at in BIOS to see if CL is set correctly. 4-4-4-18 or so but 5 times the parameters XD That's where I crap out, definitely.

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Typically, it's not that much to set and shouldn't take for than a few minutes to fully set-up. The only 'what ifs' are the Voltages and then only a +0.1~0.2v variances.

e.g. AI OC Tuner
DRAM Frequency
DRAM Voltage
QPI/DRAM Voltage {IMC Controller}
CAS Timings e.g. 9-9-9-24-2T

Reply to jaquith

In case I encounter weirdness, I'll scream aloud :) But I swear, that Abit board must have been atypical, or I simply don't know anything :P
When the stuff arrives, I'll be back!!

Thanks a LOT!

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I'll own/help with the RAM. Good Luck!

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