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Phenom II X6 1100T plus WHICH Memory?

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January 5, 2011 12:27:01 PM

Hi guys, I'm buiding a new rig and I'm a bit unsure about the memory I should use.

ComponentsI've got so far:
Phenom II X6 1100T
ASUS M4N98TD EVO, nForce 980a SLI

16GB of either:

Kingston HyperX DIMM XMP Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-27 (DDR3-1600) (no lifelong warranty)
G.Skill RipJaws DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1600)
GeIL Black Dragon DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-28 (DDR3-1600)
Corsair Vengeance DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL9-9-9-24 (DDR3-1600) (no lifelong warranty)
G.Skill Trident DIMM Kit 16GB PC3-12800U CL7-8-7-24 (DDR3-1600)

Now I got a list which memory types are supported with this board, but the titles are all different :(  Or I just can' figure it out.
I'll use this for 3D rendering, Graphics and video, I don't plan on overclocking as I've read stabilizing 16GB on 2000MHz is quite impossible and I have no clue about OCing in general ;) 
The GSkill Trident kit is almost 600€, but the CL looks quite good. I'm not that much of a crack to be able to tell if this will make a huge difference, so I'm asking you guys here :) 
Elsewhere the Kingston chips were recommended, but they don't have lifelong warranty like GSkill or GEIL.

Please give me advice! Thank you!

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a c 128 } Memory
January 5, 2011 12:29:37 PM

Asus should have a "qvL" listing for each board available as a pdf file. Check your board webpage on their site. Most of those brands should work; I use gskill ripjaws 1600, and it works well with my msi board.
January 5, 2011 1:49:57 PM

o1die said:
Asus should have a "qvL" listing for each board available as a pdf file. Check your board webpage on their site. Most of those brands should work; I use gskill ripjaws 1600, and it works well with my msi board.

The problem is - I checked this chart, as stated above, but they just list some Serial numbers or so... Maybe those are easy to find out. So you can recommend the Ripjaws? They seem quite well-priced, I've read a lot about them...
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January 5, 2011 4:57:45 PM

Quote:
wait.
why in the world do you need 16GB of RAM.?
what exactly are your tasks with this unit.?


Liquid- and smoke simulations (mainly the latter, I had one with 15GB of scratch disk space...) consume that easily. If you don't have the RAM, you'll get the disk and 3D is time consuming enough ;)  And I was pretty disappointed how quickly I maxed out my current 8GB. So I'm getting the maximum possible.

Tasks:

3D
image manipulation (a LOT of
video editing
sound editing (up to 120 tracks, multi-layer sampling etc.)

So I need an affordable workstation for multi-threaded applications. RAM is my last obstacle, besides a smaller SSD Raid which I'll implement in case the 16GB still are not enough. I don't max it out just because I can or my size is too small :D  I just want reasonable quality that lasts and it should save my time. So if you say the Ripjaws are fine, then I believe you. If you advise me to spend € 600 on the Tridents because it would be crucial to my photo editing to have RAM that reacts quickly, I will get those. But really, I can't tell if CL 9 will be much worse than CL 7. Honestly, I don't have an effin' clue so I ask :) 
a c 347 } Memory
January 5, 2011 5:20:25 PM

The Corsair Dominator CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 as a Fully Matched 4X4GB set, since the RAM is not listed as QVL {NO 2X4GB or 4X4GB are listed} I would encourage your to submit a ticket at Corsair or any RAM Mfg before purchasing high density kits http://www.corsair.com/support/technicalsupport Fully matched 4X_GB or 6X_GB are indeed worth the difference in cost, and are the least problematic from their BIN Sorting match; example 2X4GB Kit1+ 2X4GBKit2 could be from BIN1 to BIN6 sort.

Corsair is the least problematic RAM in this forum, and I am confident the CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 Kit will indeed work. The quality of RAM is primarily from the IC's used {e.g. 9-9-9-24 is often faster than 7-8-7-24 with CAS disparity}.

Corsair Tested -> http://www2.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.as...
Corsair Phenom II -> http://www.corsair.com/memory-3/amd-memory-solutions/ph...
January 5, 2011 5:39:23 PM

jaquith said:
Corsair is the least problematic RAM in this forum, and I am confident the CMP16GX3M4A1600C9 Kit will indeed work. The quality of RAM is primarily from the IC's used {e.g. 9-9-9-24 is often faster than 7-8-7-24 with CAS disparity}.

Corsair Tested -> http://www2.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.as...
Corsair Phenom II -> http://www.corsair.com/memory-3/amd-memory-solutions/ph...


OK, that was already very useful info! The disparity hint made it a very logical point, thanks! I'll submit a ticket and see what they say, I'll just copy and paste what you wrote so I don't make an ass out of myself :lol:  I worry about availability... The ones I listed are all 16GB kits, shouldn't they be matched or are the probably just packed in a box of 4?
January 5, 2011 6:09:34 PM

Quote:
understood.
good-luck.

Why does that sound ironic :na: 
January 5, 2011 6:20:27 PM

I took both, dude, horrible feeling! :o 
January 6, 2011 11:02:46 AM

OK, I just checked specs at ASUS and AMD - and it's a little weird. First I read it supports 2000Mhz, but only in overclocked mode. Then I read about 1600 Mhz. Now both Asus AND AMD say its 1333? WTF?

AMD: Dual Channel PC3-10667U (DDR3-1333)
ASUS: 4 x DIMM, 16 GB, DDR3 2000*/1333/1066 ECC,Non-ECC,Un-buffered Memory

As I truly AM able to read, why the heck was I reading about 1600 everywhere? And: that means I'll have to stick with 1333, right? :( 
January 6, 2011 11:06:53 AM

And one more thing: the QVL lists only 12GB modules, but the board, according to Asus, should be able to use 16 - so what the hell?
January 6, 2011 11:15:54 AM

:pfff:  I don't know anything about overclocking and I never did it. That completely throws me out of whack.
Why, if neither MoBo nor CPU support more than 1333, do they list 1600 up to 1866? But no 2000, although it says on their own website? And only 12GB, although it say 16 on their own website? Man, that's weird...
a c 128 } Memory
January 6, 2011 11:57:41 AM

IF you can order from newegg, get the gskill sniper for $75 shipped. It's (2) 4 gb sticks at 1333 fsb, which is all you need. This is an email promo which expires soon. So two sets of this ram will only cost you $150. I use gskill, and it works fine.
January 6, 2011 12:11:49 PM

Jaquith up there posted about matched sets, so I'll dive into that. PLUS I still don't know if it can take 16 or only 12 GB, as website and QVL contradict each other!
Newegg seems US based, so I'll pay an arm and a leg for customs and wait half a year or 2 weeks or so :p 
January 6, 2011 12:20:53 PM

Austria, Europe, and Newegg won't ship internationally, I checked. I don't use the german boards.
Yes, seems like, hopefully it'll catch his eye again :) 
January 6, 2011 12:35:51 PM

I hate Amazon. You shop for an hour and then they tell you "sorry we don't ship to you", NOT upfront. Doesn't even work from Germany sometimes, then you have to go in, contact sellers, negotiate and so on. BS.
January 6, 2011 12:52:52 PM

No, Austria :)  Shipping from Germany often won't work, that's what I meant. I have a great resource for comparison shopping here, but I need to know about that 16/12GB dilemma first :(  And which freaking modules are REALLY gonna work... So problematic, never had such problems before..
January 6, 2011 1:04:16 PM

And that is exactly the problem: inside the QVL, there is no talk of 16GB at all...
So should I just try to get SOME 4x4GB kit at 1333 and hope it'll work? Or get some that seem most similar to the ones specified?
a c 128 } Memory
January 6, 2011 1:17:24 PM

No. Your board is dual channel, not tripple or quad channel. Simply get two matching kits of 2x4 gb 1333 or 1600 ddr3, whichever is cheaper at your vender. You'll then have 4 matching sticks of 4 gb ddr3 for a total of 16gb. Your board should have 4 ram slots to fill with a max of 4 gb each. The $150 price from newegg is a benchmark price; you may not find any that cheap in europe, but it will give you some idea when converting to euros.
January 6, 2011 1:26:46 PM

I understand Dual Channel, and I know the 3,6,9,12 etc G Ram from the Corei7 specs, so why on earth would they put 3, 6 & 12 GB kits on the QVL?
It won'tbe detrimental on performance if I use 1600 instead of 1333?
a c 128 } Memory
January 6, 2011 1:58:16 PM

I'm also looking at the qvl list. Samsung chipset is listed most often as compatable with 4 gb sticks. Kingston also uses samsung (hynix) chips on some of it's ram. Find one of the 4 gb sticks listed on the qvl and see if your vender carries it, and simply order 4 of those sticks so they're all the same. They should work fine.
January 6, 2011 2:13:17 PM

According to Kingston they don't :(  They don't even list the chip brand in most places. KVR1333D3N9/4Gsports Samsung chips, but in the spec sheets on their website there's nothing to find. Also those are "Value" RAMS without heatsink, so I'm not entirely enthusiastic :( 
a c 347 } Memory
January 6, 2011 2:51:54 PM

corniger said:
Austria, Europe, and Newegg won't ship internationally, I checked. I don't use the german boards.
Yes, seems like, hopefully it'll catch his eye again :) 

Where do you shop?? If you list a site then I'll see what they have listed, and pick out a few that I KNOW will work <or> that I'll show you how to verify.

Somewhere I glanced at 2X_GB being the 'same' as 4X_GB - they're not. Ideally the 'best' is to get RAM from the same BIN Sort 'if' possible. However, YES 2X(2X_GB) Kit(s) will work together, but 'I' prefer BIN2 not to be mixed with BIN6 sets if I have a choice; the channels are separated -- I'm willing to pay a little more for the luxury and confidence of a 4X_GB set.
a c 128 } Memory
January 6, 2011 3:15:44 PM

My final recommendation is to find a vender that will allow you to exchange the ram if it doesn't work. Newegg charges a 15% restocking fee for returned items (for comparison only). Also, if you get a matched set of 4 sticks that won't post, try just two of the sticks. At the post screen, go into the bios and be sure the "memory mapping" setting is enabled. Some boards have this setting in the memory section of the bios; some don't.
January 6, 2011 6:27:24 PM

jaquith said:
Where do you shop?? If you list a site then I'll see what they have listed, and pick out a few that I KNOW will work <or> that I'll show you how to verify.


I shop here! And I'll be more than thankful if you manage to blow those stormclouds off my head :D 

jaquith said:
Somewhere I glanced at 2X_GB being the 'same' as 4X_GB - they're not. Ideally the 'best' is to get RAM from the same BIN Sort 'if' possible. However, YES 2X(2X_GB) Kit(s) will work together, but 'I' prefer BIN2 not to be mixed with BIN6 sets if I have a choice; the channels are separated -- I'm willing to pay a little more for the luxury and confidence of a 4X_GB set.


You speak a very specialized language but I trust you understand it :D 

@oldie: my problem is: this system needs to work as quickly as possible, because I'll have to finish a major job a.s.a.p., and my work schedule has no tolerance for standing in the Post office for between 4-40 minutes (no joke) - so I'd prefer, if possible, safety :)  The board has a "RAM compatibility button", but I don't know if I can trust that...
January 7, 2011 5:19:43 AM

"Yes, the PGS38G1333LLKA should work on your Asus M4N98TD Evo. It has been certified to work on AMD Platforms.

Thank You for choosing Patriot Memory."
Can I trust him? :D 

a c 128 } Memory
January 7, 2011 11:29:36 AM

I've used patriot ram and currently use one of their ssd's. If the vender will allow you to exchange it, then I would try it. Remember my recommendation to use two sticks if four won't boot up, and change the memory mapping setting to "enabled".
January 7, 2011 9:19:45 PM

Corsair's reply: "CMP16GX3M4A1333C9 is a fully matched kit and also compatible with your system. "

OK, what now: Corsair or Patriot? :)  I was advised to take Corsair.... tough they don't post this kit on their own list. Either they're all ioncompetent or they wanna sell something :p 
a c 347 } Memory
January 8, 2011 12:59:07 PM

Don't get Patriot; frequent visitors here...

I got tied up. I would send a Ticket to Corsair and Kingston and copy/paste ALL of the available 16GB >= 1600 MHz, and ask them which will work. While I'm comfortable that most will I won't guess for you. Most memory errors e.g. BSOD is mostly incorrect BIOS settings and voltages. However, I'm very clear the 4GB sticks are VERY touchy and ESPECIALLY touchy in 16GB configurations.

Corsair Ticket* -> http://www.corsair.com/support/technicalsupport
G.SKILL Ticket -> techsupport@gskill.com

*You can input your MOBO or choose not listed and put in th first RAM and use the comments to fill-in the rest.

No, there's no RAM on that limited list that I can 100% guarantee so the ticket is your best choice.
January 8, 2011 1:08:58 PM

The support guy at Corsair said they should work, although I mentioned the problems due to Intel configuration. He said they are compatible, though they sport some Intel-specific feature. I guess I'll have to see :( 
a c 347 } Memory
January 8, 2011 1:15:13 PM

That's the XMP info on the sticks and means nothing. Even on a full XMP compatible stick/MOBO I often don't use the feature, it's not needed and too often in 4 or 6 stick configuration won't work anyway. Meaning if Corsair says they'll work I would trust that they indeed will work.

If there's a problem the #1 thing I would do is set the DRAM Voltages per spec -> failure increase +0.1~0.2v. High density RAM requires additional voltages +50% of the time.
January 8, 2011 1:59:32 PM

I would set the Rams up exactly the way their description says. Problem is if there are 20 more parameters like on the Abit board I recently looked at in BIOS to see if CL is set correctly. 4-4-4-18 or so but 5 times the parameters XD That's where I crap out, definitely.
a c 347 } Memory
January 8, 2011 4:30:35 PM

Typically, it's not that much to set and shouldn't take for than a few minutes to fully set-up. The only 'what ifs' are the Voltages and then only a +0.1~0.2v variances.

e.g. AI OC Tuner
DRAM Frequency
DRAM Voltage
QPI/DRAM Voltage {IMC Controller}
CAS Timings e.g. 9-9-9-24-2T
January 9, 2011 5:54:21 AM

In case I encounter weirdness, I'll scream aloud :)  But I swear, that Abit board must have been atypical, or I simply don't know anything :p 
When the stuff arrives, I'll be back!!

Thanks a LOT!
a c 347 } Memory
January 9, 2011 1:00:03 PM

I'll own/help with the RAM. Good Luck!
February 3, 2011 4:24:02 PM

RAm worked like a breeze. Absolutely no complications. I'll come back on the timings though, as the specs are not obvious to me in the BIOS - AT ALL *lol*
a c 347 } Memory
February 3, 2011 5:03:20 PM

What set did you end up getting??
February 3, 2011 6:44:13 PM

Corsair CMP16GX3M4A1333C9, as mentioned before. Not listed on their own site, but recommemded by their support :p 

Now what the hell: CL 9-9-9-24

My board gives me the following settings:

CAS# latency 8
RAS# to CAS# delay 8
RAS# PRE time 8
RAS# ACT time 20
READ to PRE time 4
RAW cyclee time 27
WRITE recovery time 8
RAS# to RAS# delay 4
READ to WRITE delay 7
WRITE to READ delay (DD) 2
WRITE to READ delay (SD) 4
WRITE to WRITE time 3
READ to READ time 3
REF cycle time 160
Refresh rate 7,8
Command Rate 15

Then there's a whole driving config section

plus

CFU/LDT spread spectrum
SATA spread spectrum

I understand there are people who learn doing this, and I am none of them. But still... what does any of this have to do with 9-9-9-24 :cry: 
I also haven't found any understandable explanation for the above terms, as the terms used in the BIOS seem all different.
The thing is running, running fine, but the RAM is obviously not properly configured, and it's running at 1033 Mhz only, I don't know if this is right, the CPU should have 1333? :ange: 
a c 347 } Memory
February 3, 2011 10:21:56 PM

CMP16GX3M4A1333C9 -> http://www.corsair.com/dominator-with-dhx-pro-connector...

No worries, just make the following changes. Those are the SPD {default} speeds and timings.

DRAM Frequency -> DDR3-1333 MHz
CAS# latency 9
RAS# to CAS# delay 9
RAS# PRE time 9
RAS# ACT time 24
DRAM Command Rate 2T
DRAM Voltage 1.65v {closest value}

Save & Exit
--
if it has a problem:
NB Voltage 1.30~1.35v
February 9, 2011 7:08:46 AM

Worked like a charm :) 
Thank you, Jaquith!
I guess I'll leave the driving section alone :D 
February 26, 2011 8:18:02 PM

Quote:
1333MHz is the default speed of AM3 chips, anything higher than that has to be clocked or forced into system to run that fast.
summary: if wanting speeds greater than 1333MHz then you will have to overclock and also buy 1600MHz or faster RAM.

Hello guys!
First of all, please accept apologies for my bad english.
Sorry to intervene, but I have quite the similar problems/questions as Corniger, with the difference being that I don't think I understand that good all these technical explanations.
Long story short: I'm looking for an 1100T on ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 and 16GB of memory @ 1600MHz (9-9-9-27; if it's of any help).
But before I buy anything it would be nice to find out any issues regarding compatibility.
So given the fact that I don't know much about this, I can only presume that this memory will run at 1333MHz with the CPU at stock speed, but it might run faster if I overclock the CPU? Have I got it right? If I'm saying ridiculously stupid things here, please be sympathetic with me, being new in this world.
So let's, say that I bring the CPU to 4GHz (I've read it's fairly possible and stable) will I benefit from the 1600MHz memory then?
And how can I find out what speed will the memory work at then?
Again I'm sorry for my rough english, and for any questions beyond the reasonable limit of stupidity.
Thanks!
February 27, 2011 6:09:38 AM

Hey Cristi!

I personally also don't really have much of a clue, but why do you explicitly want to run your memory at 1666? Do you want to overclock the CPU anyway? It sounds like you want to overclock just so you can run your memory at 1666Mhz!

I think in this thread I also have written down the ONLY memory configuration that seems to work well. I have searched a long time. If you check my other threads around the 1100T you'll stumble upon the hurdles I had to take to finally get a system that would fit not only hardware-wise, but also concerning space inside the case! Don't trust the specs!
February 27, 2011 8:17:44 AM

Thank you for your reply, Corniger

There are more than one reason for me to want this memory speed.
Probably the first it will be the same reason why people choose 1333MHz instead of 1066Mhz, or 1066MHz instead of 800 MHz and so on. Because it's faster.
Then, looking around for prices I found the 1600MHz cheaper than the 1333MHz one (same amount and same brand). So cheaper and faster.
And then, I can't afford to do upgrades every other few months, so I'm trying to get a fairly good system now and leave it as it is for a while. I mean I'm pretty sure that in the next few months every useless, dirt cheap motherboard and most likely the next Phenom (or the one after that), will support 1600MHz as stock speed and not as OC. So, even if it's not quite correct, let's say I'm trying to be a little futureproof.
Now, concerning the processor I do not intend to OC it just now if not necessarily, but in the near future obviously software will be even more demanding and resources hungry and then I might get a bit more life out of this CPU by OC it instead doing an upgrade. Why not, since it's Black Edition and it has the capabilities? And of course the next upgrade will be MOBO+CPU+Memory altogether because of AMD's next generation of CPUs (Bulldozer?) that will come in a different socket.
Regarding the actual space inside the case, I'm sure I'll be all right. The case is a Master Cooler Elite 430 and will accommodate a 850W PSU and my Saphire HD 5770 without any problems.
Still the question remains the same: will I have a faster system buying 1600MHz memory , or I am just trying to do the impossible? Or even better: why is 1600MHz memory produced and sold if is not really (or officially) supported? Who wants it, then?
Thank you for your time.
March 29, 2012 5:56:47 AM

The motherboard support up to 2000Mhz but to reach 1600Mhz you need to OC the 200Mhz Bus of the Phenom II up to 240. That CPU can support even 300Hz with good watercooling, but 240Mhz can be achive even with stock cooler easy as long as you don´t pass 65ºC on CPU exausting test (OCCT 3.0). The best choice is to buy 1333Mhz memory and forget about CPU OC, since there is not necessary since here you don´t have problems like in games (reach 60fps and aboid bottleneck with GPU)...
Also you can buy 4x4GB 1600Mhz and downclock up to 1333Mhz and race the latency let say from 9-9-9-24 to 7-7-7-20. Buy ask someone else how to achive that depending on the memory you choose (just read memory tweak with that specific model you buy). 16GB memory is cheap to buy, and seem you need it, there is no waste of money at all :) ...Also you don´t need special memorys, OC memorys is for people that have the need when they OC the CPU to 4+Ghz and latency and frecuency help with the stability, and also to handle the extra speed the CPU will demand from memory bus..
Well hope i help somebody with this replay ;) 
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