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Gaming life altering help needed

Hey guys. my birthday was yesterday (yes i share the day with 4/20) and i racked up $620 AUD. now i was thinking of buying a cheap gaming computer, as i have recently been gaming off my bootcamped Mac. My mac has an intel core 2 duo 2.8Ghz, with an ATI radeon 2600 pro.

i figured i may as well buy a cheapo computer, as one, its gotta be better than this rig, two, i can upgrade in future (cant with mac) and thirdly, i dont want to infect my main work computer with viruses by using windows.

if you guys could help by either linking helpful websites (australian or can ship to australia) or creating a list of parts i could use, with links. sorry im not very tech savvy, so i really need your help.

Thanks guys.
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  1. bumpity
  2. anyone? it could really help me out of a jam.
  3. Well, I think that you'd need all the parts considering that you can't take any parts from your Mac, apart from the keyboard and screen. So, taking this from MSY, the only Aus. computer store I'd know:

    http://www.msy.com.au/Parts/PARTS.pdf

    AMD Phenom II X2 550 - $102
    Gigabyte 770TA-UD3 - $114
    G.Skill NT DDR3 4GB 1333MHz - $125
    Gainward GTS 250 - $125

    All I got so far. All you need is a case, HDD and PSU.
  4. thanks for the response. um is the gts as good as the 4850? cos ive heard that's great. and how are phenoms? havent heard much about them
  5. Are you going to overclock? Do u have a monitor? or is that part of the budget?
  6. not planning to oc, no, and i do have a small 50cm tv that doubles as a monitor, may use that
  7. I'm thinking about it. I came up with a similar build recently (~$680 USD), so Ill try to help you out based off my experience.

    how big of a hdd will you need? Do you need an operating system?

    I didnt plan on overclocking initially, but i went with it and ive had mixed results (unlocked 4th core on a athlon ii x3 440, but having trouble finding stability at a <10% OC). Still, I would def consider it, if I were you.
  8. I think $620 AUD is abuot $575 USD. My prices are in USD.

    Here is what I have so far:

    CPU - Athlon II X2 245 - $61
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819103687
    GPU - XFX Radeon HD 4850 - $120
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150482
    *CPU/GPU Combo - $169*
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.365631

    MOBO - GIGABYTE GA-890XA-UD3 AM3 790X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX- $140
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128438&cm_re=usb_3.0-_-13-128-438-_-Product

    RAM - A-DATA Gaming Series 2GB DDR3 1600 - $59
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820211450

    Case - COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black - $50 - $10 MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119068
    PSU - CZ ModXStream Pro OCZ700MXSP 700W - $90 - $25MIR
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817341018
    *Case/PSU Combo - $120 - $35MIR*
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.362538

    HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB- $55
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152181
    DVD Burner - $25 - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106333

    Total: $568 USD + Shipping / $618 AUD + Shipping
    Total After MIR (Mail-In Rebates): $533 USD + Shipping / $685 AUD + Shipping

    Note that this is just a general build. I would get someone with a little more knowledge to verify it will all work well together. Also, keep on the look out for deals.

    The CPU fits your budget and should be able to handle whatever you are planning on throwing at it. I'm not sure, but i think you may be able to unlock disabled cores on the Athlon II's, giving it the potential to be a X3 or x4. I unlocked my Athlon II X3 440's 4th core easily.
    Video Card is the same, not top of the line, but it should be able to handle everything you will play because you are playing on a small monitor. When you upgrade the monitor, you can add another 4850 in crossfire. I have two 4850 512mb cards running in crossfire and it can handle everything I play at max/near max settings. Keep an eye out for deals on these cards. I got both of mine for $85 and have seen them as low as $75 in the past month (512mb version).
    Motherboard is a little expensive, but you said you wanted to be able to upgrade in the future. It has USB 3.0 and Sata 6.0, so you wont need to buy a new motherboard in the future to get those features. It also supports crossfire, so you can add another card to the system later. If you want to bring the price of the rig down, this might be a good place to go a little cheaper, but not too much! Btw, I chose an Asus board for my build, and I kinda wish I had went Gigabyte.
    RAM, i only have 1 stick of 2GB ddr3. I think 2 X 2GB would be better, obviously, but i was trying to keep you under budget. You could probably get away with only having 2GB of ram for a while until you can afford more.
    Power Supply is not the best, but its cheap and powerful and has good reviews. Case looks solid, havent used it before tho.
  9. thanks guys. i may be able to muster up $700USD but isnt the rig above good enough for now? just bought windows 7 but have installed it onto 3 conputers already. can i put it on this new one? i dont feel confident in oc'ing cos im not very computer savvy. thoughts?
  10. hey guys. as you may have read, I'm looking at buying a cheap from about $600-$900 purely for gaming. how's this rig:
    Processor:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115207- $150

    HDD AND CASE:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.379583-$130

    RAM:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145285-$120

    MOBO/GFX COMBO:
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.366014-$354

    So how's that guys? all up it comes to $754. i think i can use an old 50cm tv for a monitor...but because im in Aus i have to go through this site that makes me pay 5% more. that means it comes to $792. my main thing is that i want to upgrade it in future...but not too soon. i have $660 ready to go..(bday) so i need to save a little.

    is this worth it?
  11. this means that it is $853AUD fyi
  12. bumpity bumpity boo
  13. anyone?
  14. please guys. it would really help me out
  15. Hey guys.
    I'm really eager to buy a cheap gaming rig, as ive been gaming off a bootcamped mac and while there has been no issue; one, its not that great a rig, and two, its not upgradable in future. ive recently gotten around $670 for my bday (4-20 (hitlers bday and national pot smoking day ...how lucky am i)

    This seems like as good a time as any to start saving, as the mountain wont seem that hard to climb. I'm australian and all prices will be in australian when posted by me, but if its easier for you, just post in USD.

    This is the issue.newegg dont ship to aus, and they have the best prices. also, easter and christmas have come and gone, and so has my bday. im too young to have a job, im not working for my parents as they give me 20 bucks a week.

    So with that in mind, i put my budget to around $600-$1000. i say this because if i wait till, say, xmas, there's just gonna be more stuff that i wanna buy. more temptations, and better comp parts. the sooner i buy the better, although im willing to wait a couple of months if i really have to.

    My main reason is so that i can have a dedicated work comp (mac) and a dedicated gaming comp (PC) that i CAN UPRADE.

    what i ask of you is this. If you can, post some links to some aus sites or american ones that ship to aus, with links to parts that you think are good.

    I have basic idea of what i want.
    An ATI gfx, along the lines of a 5770.
    An intel cpu, like a core 2 quad would be great.
    And ariound 2gbs of ram.

    If needed, i will assemble it myself if it is drastically cheaper.

    Thanks so much!
  16. APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:closer the better. when i can muster up rest of money ($400AUD)

    SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming

    PARTS NOT REQUIRED: mouse, speakers, maybe monitor, maybe OS.

    PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: australian or ships to australia

    PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type intel cpu, ati gfx card

    OVERCLOCKING: no SLI OR CROSSFIRE: maybe

    MONITOR RESOLUTION: no clue.....(i have an old 50 cm tv, that i remember reading acts as a monitor.)

    ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: just a good gaming pc that can be upgraded as said above :D
  17. How much do you plan to save/spend, total ? AU$?

    AMD builds a better "rig-per-dollar" ... IntEL can be very pricey but the Socket 1156 chip-to-get, is the Core i7-750 ... The gamer's OC chip of choice (if you have $$$).

    What exact game titles are you now playing? ... In future?

    What categories do you play, now, or expect to be playing, in future?

    If you open your mind to AMD, we can do you righteous, but I hear that parts are more difficult to source, in OzLand.

    = Alvin =
  18. oh, plan to spend around $1000 max.
  19. yeah ozland is pretty sucky when it comes to that. bloody koalas.
    anyway, not planning on OC'ing. i can open my mind to amd i spose. just general games. once i get my computer im planning to convert to pc gaming, so basically all pc games. atm i only own civ4, killing floor, and of course crysis.9(oh and AoM-best rts ever imo)
    i just want a decent computer that can help me jump into the pc market, allowing me to play med-high graphics, that i wont have to upgrade for about a year. if you need to, post an amd build. :)
  20. Ok ... best fps gaming rig for about $1K (AUS).

    Can you get ASUS, GIGABYTE or MSI boards with AM3 socket and 790/890 chipset?

    AMD "owns" that budget space ... InTEL can't even touch your (fps) budget.

    I think you can afford a 5850 ... we should at least try to build around that ... If absolutely necessary, then, a 5770, to start with.

    Sorry, but I REALLY think you are going to need 4GB of RAM, for Win7.

    Any value techs feel like doing this guy a generic ball-park build ?

    = Al =
  21. 1,000.00 AUD = 927.900 USD
    Australia Dollars United States Dollars
  22. well its not just fps. any pc game. and really, 4gb? you think? well if anyone would be kind to help...heres a good aus site where they'll even assemle my custom made comp for me http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/build.php
    please help.
  23. AMD CPU:
    AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 3.40GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition
    AMD Motherboards:
    Asus M4A77TD-PRO AMD Mainboard - 4x DDR3 / 5x Sata Raid / 1x IDE / Gigabit Lan / AM3
    Desktop Hard Drives:
    Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbs
    Optical Drives:
    LG External Slim Lightscribe DVD Re-writer (8x)
    Desktop Memory:
    Corsair DDR3 4GB PC-12800/1600 (2x XMS3 2GB) CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 Ram
    Cases (PSU included):
    Antec Atlas - Black Server ATX Tower Case (550W)
    Graphics Cards:
    XFX ATI HD5850 xXx Edition PCI-E 2.0, 1GB, DDR5, 256bit, Dual DVI, HDMI, Display Port, DX11, Fan (HD-585A-ZNDC)

    have i gone overboard?
  24. Yeah ... that looks very close to what I had in mind ... ON PAPER !!

    It would be foolish not to set yourself up for OC ... that would only require the addition of a $35 air cooler and spending about $20 more for 1600c7 ram.

    I do not really like that mobo as it is just a bit out-dated (but a good chipset)

    I also do not like the total price and the fact that they do not specify exact brand/nodels, on many components (HDD).

    But that is most definately the idea ... I would just like to see you have total control over every specific aspect of a purely custom build.

    I do not know "their" reputation for fixing/RMA issues ... do LOTS of asking around and find the closest Aussie equivilent to newegg, here, in the USA.

    You surely must have a regionally "nost popular" source site. If this is it ... then fine.

    = Alvin =
  25. thanks bro. um you're talking about the first yeah? im a little lost when it comes to mobo's...gimme like 10 minutes, and i'll post a fully tabooli build
  26. Swink said:
    AMD CPU:
    AMD Phenom II X4 Quad Core 965 3.40GHz 8MB Cache (AM3) - Black Edition
    AMD Motherboards:
    Asus M4A77TD-PRO AMD Mainboard - 4x DDR3 / 5x Sata Raid / 1x IDE / Gigabit Lan / AM3
    Desktop Hard Drives:
    Western Digital Caviar Black 1TB 7200RPM 64MB SATA 6Gbs
    Optical Drives:
    LG External Slim Lightscribe DVD Re-writer (8x)
    Desktop Memory:
    Corsair DDR3 4GB PC-12800/1600 (2x XMS3 2GB) CMX4GX3M2A1600C8 Ram
    Cases (PSU included):
    Antec Atlas - Black Server ATX Tower Case (550W)
    Graphics Cards:
    XFX ATI HD5850 xXx Edition PCI-E 2.0, 1GB, DDR5, 256bit, Dual DVI, HDMI, Display Port, DX11, Fan (HD-585A-ZNDC)

    have i gone overboard?


    My LAST reply was regarding that pre-built link, that you posted ... THIS QUOTED custom build looks a bit better ...

    I STILL would like to see a 790 or 890 chipset mobo ... with USB3 and SATA3 if within budget.
    The RAM is fine ...
    The Proc is fine (see if you can find a CoolerMaster Hyper-212+ air cooler) ...
    The HDD should be a 500GB or 1TB Seagate 7200.12 or a SAMSUNG SPINPOINT F3 drive (but the caviar will do in a pinch ... these other two series drives are cheaper, faster, and quieter than WD.
    The LG DVDR is fine.
    Case will do fine (HOW MUCH? ... What is shipping on case?)
    The XFX HD5850 is great ... get a Sapphire brand with same specs if available.
    If you plan on a 2nd 5850, that PSU will be just enough ... If you go "larger" than 2x5850s, then get a 750W (Corsair ~$100).

    Yup ... That all looks very good BUT ALSO ...

    ... IF gaming is ALL you are doing ... you COULD just go with an ATHLON-II x3 Core @3.0GHz(or faster)

    Games care most about having at least 2 of the fastest cores possible, with the "best" single GPU you can afford.

    So ... Upgrade the mobo chipset and downgrade the proc to what I spec'd ... You will be in MUCH better shape for upgrades or changes in your future uses.

    = Alvin = (as far as games go ... Athlon-II 3xCore at 3.2GHz is FASTER/BETTER than Phenom x4 @3.0GHz).
  27. Thanks...mind getting a rig from this AU site i just found:
    http://www.itsdirect.com.au

    if you can make them all compatible, and give me a final price, that'd be great. also, if you could do a full rig, that your would be even greater...rer.
  28. And, of course, just check your mobo specs to be sure your chosen proc is fully supported.

    This mobo (for instance) is a little bit pricey, but is IDEAL for your current and almost any future needs (or unforeseen uses ... like consumer video editing).

    It DOES sport USB3 and SATA3 ports and has a core-unlocker bios and ALSO supports everything from Athlon-IIs all the way up to the just-released hex cores.

    ASUS M4A89GTD PRO/USB3 AM3 AMD 890GX HDMI SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX
    http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131631

    ASUS and Gigabyte make several decent 790 and 890 chipset based mobos.

    =cheers =
  29. i kind of estimated a price...with an ati 5850 sapphire from www.itsdirect.com.au , an amd athlon-II 3x cores, and 4gb corsair ram, and about a 30 dollar cooling system, for them to assemble it it should rack up to be about $1010
  30. GRAPHCARD: http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=48&Product_ID=7978&sub_category=188&keywords=Sapphire_ATI_Radeon_5850_1GB_VaporX_PCI_Express_Graphics_Card

    $391
    PROCESSOR: http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=29&Product_ID=7968&sub_category=181&keywords=AMD_Athlon_II_635_X4_Quad_Core_2_9Ghz_Socket_AM3_2_CPU

    $150

    MOBO:
    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=56&Product_ID=7970&sub_category=131&keywords=ASUS_M4A89GTD_PRO_AMD_790_Chipset_Socket_AM3_Motherboard

    $191

    CASE:
    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=28&Product_ID=4481&sub_category=38&keywords=Antec_Nine_Hundred_Two_Mid_Tower_Case__No_PSU_

    $150

    MEMORY:
    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=35&Product_ID=6127&sub_category=114&keywords=Corsair_4GB__2_x_2048mb__DDR3_1600_XMS3__PC12800___CMX4GX3M2A1600C9__RAM_Module_Kit__For_Core_i5___i7___AM3_

    $170
    PSU:
    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=41&Product_ID=6875&sub_category=52&keywords=Antec_NEO_Eco_450w_Power_Supply_Unit

    $70

    DVD DRIVE: http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=30&Product_ID=8708&sub_category=29&keywords=ASUS_DRW_24B1ST_Black_SATA_DVD_RW_Writer

    $37

    COOLING: http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=31&Product_ID=5433&sub_category=77&keywords=Arctic_Cooler_Alpine_64_Pro_CPU_Cooler_for_AMD

    $20

    All up: $1250 with them assembling it.
    How is it? overpriced? cheap? ultimately...is it worth $1250? upgradability?
  31. Well ... You are definately "well within the ball-park". this time and "all that" will work, just fine, except the PSU ...

    ... Still ... these are all rather pricey premium parts and I think I can shave your budget and get a bit more balance and longevity out of the build, if the parts are available ...

    Let me play around on this site, for 20 minutes, and see what worthy tweaks I can find.

    You are gonna want a 650W Corsair or Earthwatts or SeaSonic PSU, for up to TWO 5850s, in the future.

    ... I may post some alternative product links, in some several minutes.

    = Al =
  32. sounds good man. take your time and thanks again
  33. GPU: This will perform identically and is $36 cheaper ...
    ... It is out of stock (because good and cheap) but worth waiting up to 2 weeks.
    ... XFX (same spec) will also do fine. (is comparable but costs $20 more).

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=48&Product_ID=6471&sub_category=188


    CPU: This Athlon-II x2 Core @ 3.2GHz is actually significantly better for gaming performance than the 3x at 2.9GHz.

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=29&Product_ID=8062&sub_category=181&keywords=AMD_Phenom_II_X2_555_BLACK_EDITION_Quad_Core_3_2Ghz_Socket_AM2_3_CPU__8mb_Cache_

    MOBO: I like this mobo better ... a few $ cheaper and also has USB3/SATA3 ports

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=56&Product_ID=8364&sub_category=131&keywords=Gigabyte_GA_890GPA_UD3H_AMD_890_Chipset_Socket_AM3_Motherboard

    This Antec 300 is a great case at just over half the price ... plenty good !

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=28&Product_ID=2416&sub_category=38&keywords=Antec_Three_Hundred_Tower_Case__Black%2C_No_PSU_


    That is the 1st half of the changes ... stay tuned for the rest. ... !

    = Al =
  34. nice...liking it already. your the most helpful person in weeks!
  35. -RAM: A little cheaper and a WHOLE LOT BETTER

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=35&Product_ID=6234&sub_category=114&keywords=G_Skill_4GB__2_x_2048mb__DDR3_Ripjaws_1600__PC12800___F3_12800CL7D_4GBRH__RAM_Module_Kit__Suits_Core_i5___i7___AM3_

    PSU: My preferred (corsair 650Watt) PSU is out of stock ... worth a 2 week wait.

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=41&Product_ID=2278&sub_category=52

    Antec Earthwatts 650Watt PSU ... very good PSU at a very good price !

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=41&Product_ID=2768&sub_category=52&keywords=Antec_EarthWatts_650W_Power_Supply_Unit

    OCZ as a distant 3rd choice, for PSU (650W)


    ASUS SATA DVDR (This may be the one you picked)

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=30&Product_ID=8708&sub_category=29&keywords=ASUS_DRW_24B1ST_Black_SATA_DVD_RW_Writer

    I believe you left the HDD out of your last build iteration ...
    This SAMSUNG f3 is not just an arbitrary pick ... It is hands down the best, fastest, cheapest drive on the market.

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=30&Product_ID=6395&sub_category=31

    ... OR ... this Seagate 500GB drive is "just as good" for $35+ dollars cheaper.
    (one of the two best drive series on the planet ... the 7200.12)

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=30&Product_ID=2051&sub_category=31


    COOLER/HSF: I like the cooler you chose ... see if it comes with paste ...

    http://www.itsdirect.com.au/com_products.php?view=detail&category_id=31&Product_ID=5452&sub_category=77&keywords=Arctic_Cooling_MX_2_Thermal_Compound__4G_

    This is the really good thermal paste.

    = That's It ! = ... I'm pooped .... g'nite!
  36. case fans ...

    You want to look for 80mm case fans with over 30 CFM air-flow and a noise level of under 21db ...

    ... Don't pay more than $11 AUD for a 80mm fan ... ~$8~$9 typical ...

    ... get 2 or 3 case fans ... should come with Molex/EIDE power connectors and don't go for variable speed.

    = Al =
  37. thanks dude. im going by your list to a tee. looks like ive got a bit of saving to do....but you helped a freaking lot!! im buying everything on your list
  38. For a inexpensive machine, stick with a boxed AMD.
  39. cool ... I'd sure like it.
  40. yep. tallied it up and with freight, delivery, and with them to build it, it will total at $1400. oh well. soon enough. any adjustments you can make to lower that price?
  41. http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_128&sort=2a&page=1&products_id=44341

    i still remain baffled. what makes this one so bad? i mean for like $150 cheaper
  42. http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_128&sort=2a&page=1&products_id=44341

    okay...this seems like a pretty good computer, so why has Alvin been suggesting virtually the same parts and it has tallied up to $1400? look at the thread "Gaming life altering help needed" so is this computer pretty great? i mean as ive stated before, i just want to be able to upgrade in future...but not too soon. this seems pretty awesome. thoughts? please dont post new parts or new computers unless they're drastically different
  43. Quote:
    http://www.centrecom.com.au/catalog/product_info.php?cPath=81_128&sort=2a&page=1&products_id=44341

    okay...this seems like a pretty good computer, so why has Alvin been suggesting virtually the same parts and it has tallied up to $1400? look at the thread "Gaming life altering help needed" so is this computer pretty great? i mean as ive stated before, i just want to be able to upgrade in future...but not too soon. this seems pretty awesome. thoughts? please dont post new parts or new computers unless they're drastically different


    Why am I looking at a thread where you linked that prebuild 2 other times?

    Alvin jumped through ALOT of hoops to help steer you in the right direction and passed along alot of knowledge of how to find quality parts.

    It's obvious you want this prebuilt rig, evident by the fact you've made a 2nd thread about the same thing. Just buy it, it's obvious you want it.

    Good luck.
  44. ok i am grateful for your response, but please dont jump to conclusions. im was simply reviewing my parts, looking at these, and really not finding an outstanding difference. i dont WANT this one more, i just didnt know why this one was flogged off. thats what im asking.

    is there room to upgrade? will it handle most games?

    see simple questions....
  45. Quote:
    ok i am grateful for your response, but please dont jump to conclusions. im was simply reviewing my parts, looking at these, and really not finding an outstanding difference. i dont WANT this one more, i just didnt know why this one was flogged off. thats what im asking.

    is there room to upgrade? will it handle most games?

    see simple questions....


    I guess I can vomit up the same stuff Alvin did.

    It uses a 770 chipset on the motherboard, also only has 1 PCI-E 2.0 x16 slot, meaning you can never Crossfire in the future.

    It doesnt list ANY of the manufacturer of any of the components, meaning you have no idea what the quality is

    ETC, etc... etc.
  46. ok see thank you thats what i wanted. i know alvin said this, i just wanted it clearer
  47. With the 770 bridge you cant crossfire that's why plus the PSU is probably crap so forget about it.
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