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July 2, 2010 5:04:20 PM

:hello:  hey guys thanks for taking the time to help me! :bounce: 
Everyone is telling me that if i get a Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor that it will give more performance than a AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor? I dont understand this and was hoping you could explain? from my point of view the phenom ii x4 is almost 1 ghz faster and its cheaper. The only difference i can find that benefits the intel processor has 2mb more L3 cache while the amd processor only has 6 mb of L3 cache. but at the same time the Amd processor has 4 x 512KB L2 cahce while intels processor has none?

AMD processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

intel processor:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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July 2, 2010 5:18:17 PM

ok gothca and correct me if im wrong but isnt the 1156 considered a dead socket?(deciding if i should buy a motherboard with a 1156)
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July 2, 2010 5:26:01 PM

then would i want to go with an AM3 socket? so that i may upgrade for future use
July 2, 2010 5:29:30 PM

so should i stay with the intel processor or the amd processor because im planing on using this computer for a while and wouldnt mind upgrading in a year?
July 2, 2010 5:32:58 PM

gaming and work (which isnt anything fancy just word and excel).
July 2, 2010 5:38:36 PM

i have 2 1920 x 1080 monitors (i will be using eyefinity) and only 1250 (which i only get 1000 for the build 250 for the 3rd monitor and windows 7 64 bit.
July 2, 2010 5:51:51 PM

but everyone is telling me "dont go with the 1055t its so much slower than the phenom x4 while gaming" ?
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July 2, 2010 6:02:47 PM

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WC,

Yes 1156 and 1366 are dead sockets that will be replaced around Christmas.

Evidence?
July 2, 2010 6:04:51 PM

ok well this was a build that i thought was good that i had already put together but was told it wasnt good because of the 1055t.

Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SILVERSTONE RAVEN RV02-BW Matte black 0.8mm Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GIGABYTE GA-790XTA-UD4 AM3 AMD 790X SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HIS iCooler V H583FN1GD Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/Eyefinity
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CORSAIR CMPSU-550VX 550W ATX12V V2.2 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Compatible with Core i7 Power ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

AMD Phenom II X6 1055T Thuban 2.8GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

then i would overclock the thuban and use eyefinity. Does the build look good for what im going for? AND THANKS FOR SPENDING THE TIME TO HELP
July 2, 2010 6:17:16 PM

ok thanks for the help and fast replies
July 2, 2010 6:22:26 PM

is the 890fx worth loosing the SATA 3.0, USB 3.0
July 2, 2010 6:42:31 PM

haha Im ok with ugly as long as they preform and im trying to stay away from combos because it will be a week or two before i buy thanks for the help everybody ; D
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July 2, 2010 8:50:30 PM

I hate all this talk about 'dead sockets', its only dead if you want to stay high end forever!

Most normal users will buy a PC for their needs/budget and leave it be for a year or two. I still use Socket 775, and I will for a while yet.

Also there is no proof that 1156 or 1366 are dead, no roadmap from Intel says they are......
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July 2, 2010 8:51:46 PM

Also in addition having been on here a week, I cannot believe how AMD biased this place is.

Everything anyone seems to recommend is AMD! :-/
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July 2, 2010 9:44:19 PM

icraig said:
I hate all this talk about 'dead sockets', its only dead if you want to stay high end forever!

Most normal users will buy a PC for their needs/budget and leave it be for a year or two. I still use Socket 775, and I will for a while yet.

Also there is no proof that 1156 or 1366 are dead, no roadmap from Intel says they are......


Yep, since Intel will be releasing the i7-990X in the 4th quarter according to various sites, I'd say LGA 1366 is not dead by a long shot.
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July 2, 2010 9:47:52 PM

Also, from http://techreport.com/:

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Report: Llano will introduce a new desktop socket
by Cyril Kowaliski — 9:33 AM on June 30, 2010

The days of Socket AM3 reigning supreme in the AMD world could come to an end next year. Fudzilla reports that Llano, AMD's upcoming 32-nm processor with a graphics core built in, will fit in a new kind of socket called Socket FM1.

That's more or less all of the detail the site goes into, so you'll have to use your imagination to picture the new socket. (Maybe AMD will finally switch to a land-grid-array design like with the Opteron family.) However, Fudzilla does give us some dirt about the matching AMD chipsets: word is that some of them will have built-in USB 3.0, although the rest will pair USB 2.0 with 6Gbps Serial ATA, just like the existing 800 series of chipsets.

Last we heard, Llano had begun sampling and would enter volume production in the latter half of the year. We know Llano will have four cores based on the same architecture as today's Phenom IIs, a graphics processor built into the same piece of silicon, and power consumption low enough to allow for notebook-bound variants in addition to the desktop parts.


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July 2, 2010 10:59:43 PM

fazers_on_stun said:
Also, from http://techreport.com/:

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Report: Llano will introduce a new desktop socket
by Cyril Kowaliski — 9:33 AM on June 30, 2010

I think Cyril is confused. Llano will be for notebooks. And it has an IPG, of course it will be on a different socket.

Yes 1156 and 1366 are dead sockets that will be replaced around Christmas.
The term "dead socket" is overused. Socket 939 is dead. Socket 478 is dead. Socket 775 is not "dead" nor is socket 1156 or 1366. No CPUs are any of these sockets are undesirable and most are still competative. 939 is dead because even if you could find a new Athlon64x2 for it, it would cost more than the more powerful CPU that is newer and on stocket AM3.

then would i want to go with an AM3 socket? so that i may upgrade for future use
I would never advise purchasing a new motherboard based on future upgrades. Even if the chipset supports a new CPU for that socket and the bios ends up supporting it, there is no guarantee that the CPU you want to upgrade to will even be worth the cost. Look at the cost of some socket 775 CPUs now. The quads are often ridiculously priced.

Yes 1156 and 1366 are dead sockets that will be replaced around Christmas.
You really think we as the consumer are going to see sandy bridge by christmas? And do you really think it will be a replacement? The icore processors first came to the consumer in 2008. Only now are they viable replacement options in certain market segments.

If you look at the graph below. A X6 at 3.2Ghz beats an X4 at 3.4Ghz. IMO the X4's are not worth it anymore with the release of Thuban.
Look closer at that graph you provided.
The core 2 extreme beating out all the core i7s except the 6-core? The i5 750 beating out the i7 920? I would first question the consistency of the tests. I would then also tell you that there is an obvious bottleneck with the graphics card. Looks like they were using a GTX260 or something.

That build is fine except for the board. 890FX > 790X
The 15 dollar price difference is worth it.

Uhhh wrong. 890FX is not vastly superior to 790x. it is a minor upgrade and there will certainly be no performance benefit from it. With the exception of the Sata3 and USB3 (which is still in draft form I believe).

Also in addition having been on here a week, I cannot believe how AMD biased this place is.
Everything anyone seems to recommend is AMD! :-/

That is because under $200, they currently have the leading price/performance processors. Past $200 is a bit debatable but mostly comes out with the i5 and i7 being better for cost. I must say the i3 is starting to become viable but the draw of 4 cores of the phenom IIx4 in the same pricerange as the more expensive models... If you need only a dual core, intel has the best for over $100. And do you seriously consider a week enough to judge that? There are "fanboys" on this site and you will run into them but the majority of people don't "pick sides".

Yep, since Intel will be releasing the i7-990X in the 4th quarter according to various sites, I'd say LGA 1366 is not dead by a long shot
In case no one has kept up to date, intel is still releasing new CPUs for socket 775, albeit there are no new core 2 extremes.
July 8, 2010 10:45:25 AM

to answer the OP

Core i5 750 > Phenom II X4 9XX

Overclocked Core i5 750 > Phenom II X4 9XX



for gaming @ stock clocks the Phenom II X4 9XX is faster

for software/applications @ stock the Core i5 750 is faster



for gaming @ overclock the Core i5 750 is faster

for software/applications @ overclock the Core i5 750 will kill the Phenom II X4 9XX


if you will only use the processor for gaming, you better get a dual core(core i3 530) and overclock it to 4ghz(will kill the Phenom II X4 9XX easily in both gaming and software/applications)
and spend your extra money to the graphics card

btw here is a very interesting article showing both stock and overclock performance of processor(the overclocked Core i5 750 is a beast)
http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/cpus/2010/03/03/overcl...
July 8, 2010 2:06:13 PM

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if you will only use the processor for gaming, you better get a dual core(core i3 530) and overclock it to 4ghz(will kill the Phenom II X4 9XX easily in both gaming and software/applications)
and spend your extra money to the graphics card


I don't know about that. For the time, a dual core works fine for most games, but more games like Bad Company 2 and GTA IV will be popping up shortly (probably already several more around, but these are the two examples you tend to see) which take advantage of quad cores. I just have a hard time seeing the value in buying a dual core for gaming at this point, when you can get such cheap quad cores, and now even hexa cores.
July 8, 2010 2:11:37 PM

Quote:
WC,

Yes 1156 and 1366 are dead sockets that will be replaced around Christmas.


Mr AMD , can you prove that?
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July 8, 2010 6:47:55 PM

intelx said:
Mr AMD , can you prove that?

He works for Microcenter which is a PC shop, so he gets first hand information on future products. :) 
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