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April 24, 2010 11:55:38 PM

Hey everyone,

This will be my first time ever building a computer and I have absolutely no experience.
Until about a month ago I didn't even know what a Processor did, but I have been reading and reading and reading since then and think I now have a BASIC grasp over everything.

Anyway, here is what I have come up with.

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APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:
Mid May (In a month).

BUDGET RANGE:
I don' really have a budget range. But am looking for something that is going to last me for quite a long time (I don't foresee myself uprgading much for at least 5 years).
I guess about $1500 AUD though.
If you see something I can save money on without losing performance then please please please tell me.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT:
General net surfing, gaming, word processing, playing music/movies.
(But I want high end for what I'm using).

PARTS NOT REQUIRED:
OS.
I have a keyboard and mouse and speakers, but plan on buying them anyway at some stage (not looking for advice though).

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:
Landmark Computers (http://www.lmc.com.au)
Or any other retailers recommended that service Australia.

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:
Australia

PARTS PREFERENCES:
Nope.
I like what I've selected so far, but please tell me if they're bad.

OVERCLOCKING:
No (Not at this stage at least)

SLI OR CROSSFIRE:
I wanted to crossfire, but I'm not sure whether it is necessary.
Is it needed for my purposes? (As in. Will the GPU be a bottleneck?)

MONITOR RESOLUTION:
Monitors are one area that I have not had much luck in with my research.
I will be asking for a reccomendation down below, but can someone please tell me what resolution I want.
I want the best I can get that my system can handle (and if I'm close to the next one up please tell me so I can upgrade whatever is required).

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Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/CPU/Intel/571735/Intel_C...

Motherboard
Asus P6X58D-Premium [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $389.00AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Motherboard/Asus/571636/...

RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/RAM/Corsair/569737/Corsa...

Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Graphics_Card/Sapphire/5...

Hard Drive
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm 32MB SATA --- $125AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Hard_Disk_Drive_and_Encl...
I really have no idea about this HD.
Any good?
Do I need something with 10,000rpm?
Are they reliable?

Case
No idea.
I want something that will fit everything (obviously) and is not going to have overheat issues in a 40degree celcius day in Australia.
(I guess I want smallest possible that will fit all).
Suggestions from the above site? (Or other Aus one?)

Cooling
Do I need extra cooling?
Read above for possible issue.

PSU
I'm thinking 850W something.
Again. Suggestions from above site?

Optical drive
Something that will run everything and burn everything.
Not too stressed on the speed.
What's a good value one at the moment?

Monitors
Here I would really like some help.
As I stated above, I have not found much info about resolution and monitors in my research.
I'm thinking I want an LCD. And I want a widescreen (I think).
Are games bad on a widescreen?
What sort of size is not ridiculously huge but also slightly bigger than average.
And what can my system cope with while keeping quality up?
(Keep in mind I've been using a 9" screen for the last few years. Haha).

So, theres my thoughts on parts.
Opinions?
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I also have a few related questions and statements that I will put here (some may overlap above).

-Is there anywhere the system as I have it so far will bottleneck?

-Is there anything it couldn't do? Can you give me an example of what game it could run on high settings?

-Do I need extra cooling?
On this note. Remember that I live in a place where we do get the occasional 40 degree celcius day and I want this to be able to be on and being used all day during those time.

-Does everything I have selected fit together?
First time huilding. I'm not certain on this.
And does the MoBo i've chosen fit everything?

-I need a lot of info on monitors.
Please provide. Haha.
And please tell me what resolution I want (and what each is like).

-If you see something I can save money on without losing performance then please please please tell me.
(But I would like a relatively high end system for what I'm using it for.

-Any other recommended Australian retailers?

-I was going to Xfire. But I don't know whether it's worth it. What do you think?
Is it needed for my purposes? (As in. Will the GPU be a bottleneck?)
On that note, what do you think of my GPU choice?

-On the note of RAM.
Is my RAM compatible with my MoBo?
Should I go with the Dominator RAM for a little bit extra?

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Phew!
I know that's a lot of info stated and request, but I would really appreciate any responses.

Thank you so much in advance!
-B
April 25, 2010 5:22:14 PM

personally i don't think you need to spend so much, i use a Coolermaster cm690 II advanced, which you can find a little cheaper, and my 5850 fits with plenty of space.

looks like $159 on the website you're posting from.
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April 25, 2010 5:22:20 PM

save yourself $100 and go with this http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Case/CoolerMaster/559464...[CAC-T05-UW]_No_PSU_Black_Silver_Case It is highly reccomended on newegg.com. Personally i use the apex 3620, a cheapo case, i wouldnt reccomend cheaping out on a case becasue you can always reuse cases from build to build. The 922 is an amazing case but this save money can easily go towards other parts of your build you may want to upgrade.
also with this case i suggest getting a couple of fans to improve airflow and adding a hyper 212 + cpu cooler with arctic 5 thermal compound http://www.lmc.com.au/products/CPU/LMC/558766/Artic_Sil...[THP-AS]
(cant find 212+ on the site you want to use)
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April 25, 2010 5:54:36 PM

Balthraka said:

OVERCLOCKING:
No (Not at this stage at least) -B


It should be forbiden not to do overclocking to that cpu. You can reach 4Ghz easily. So, why not?

Balthraka said:
SLI OR CROSSFIRE:
I wanted to crossfire, but I'm not sure whether it is necessary.
Is it needed for my purposes? (As in. Will the GPU be a bottleneck?) -B


All you need is to buy 2 ATI graphic cards (same model) (2x5850)


Balthraka said:
Motherboard
Asus P6X58D-Premium [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $389.00AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Motherboard/Asus/571636/... -B


That is an amazing mobo. Anyway, consider to buy the ASUS P6X58D-E. It's much cheaper and performs very well:
http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h2260.htm
http://itshootout.com/r-339/asus-p6x58d-e-motherboard-r...

Balthraka said:
Hard Drive
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm 32MB SATA --- $125AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Hard_Disk_Drive_and_Encl...
I really have no idea about this HD.
Any good?
Do I need something with 10,000rpm?
Are they reliable? -B


That HD is a good option, anyway I would go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA 3Gb/s 32MB-cache

Balthraka said:
Case
No idea.
I want something that will fit everything (obviously) and is not going to have overheat issues in a 40degree celcius day in Australia.
(I guess I want smallest possible that will fit all).
Suggestions from the above site? (Or other Aus one?) -B


Here you have some good options:

MIDTOWER:
COOLER MASTER 690 II ADVANCED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4RC6r2NTk
FULL TOWER:
ANTEC 1200: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3MNAQLuIQ
COOLER MASTER ATCS 840: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8_1cQkYTO4
LIAN LI X1000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZM4kPnZPY

Balthraka said:
Cooling
Do I need extra cooling?
Read above for possible issue. -B


If you won't do any overclocking is not necessary. Anyway, I wolud recommend you to buy at least the COOLER MASTER HYPER 212 PLUS. It's cheap and performs very well.
If you want the best go for a NOCTUA NH-D14. It's simply marvelous.

Balthraka said:
PSU
I'm thinking 850W something.
Again. Suggestions from above site? -B


The CORSAIR HX750 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/775 is an amazing option. Other very good psus are:
XFX XPS Black Edition 750 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
SEASONIC X-750
You will have more than enough with 750W, but if you want 850W, then go for the CORSAIR HX850 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/741 or the XFX XPS Black Edition 850 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...


Balthraka said:
Optical drive
Something that will run everything and burn everything.
Not too stressed on the speed.
What's a good value one at the moment? -B


The best (and the more expensive) is PLEXTOR.
Anyway, LG is decent.


Balthraka said:
-Do I need extra cooling?
On this note. Remember that I live in a place where we do get the occasional 40 degree celcius day and I want this to be able to be on and being used all day during those time. -B


All the cases come plenty of fans.

Balthraka said:
-On the note of RAM.
Is my RAM compatible with my MoBo?
Should I go with the Dominator RAM for a little bit extra? -B


YES, go for the DOMINATOR.

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April 25, 2010 8:37:37 PM

Quote:
personally i don't think you need to spend so much, i use a Coolermaster cm690 II advanced, which you can find a little cheaper, and my 5850 fits with plenty of space.


looks like $159 on the website you're posting from.


Ok.
Thanks.
I will look into that one.

Do you have any opinions on the build and all the other questions?

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Quote:
save yourself $100 and go with this http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Cas [...] nturion_5_[CAC-T05-UW]_No_PSU_Black_Silver_Case It is highly reccomended on newegg.com. Personally i use the apex 3620, a cheapo case, i wouldnt reccomend cheaping out on a case becasue you can always reuse cases from build to build. The 922 is an amazing case but this save money can easily go towards other parts of your build you may want to upgrade.
also with this case i suggest getting a couple of fans to improve airflow and adding a hyper 212 + cpu cooler with arctic 5 thermal compound http://www.lmc.com.au/products/CPU [...] _3.5_Gram_[THP-AS]
(cant find 212+ on the site you want to use)


Awesome.
Thanks.
I will also look into that! :-)

Any opinions on the rest of the build?
It's my first one so I'm looking for any and all advice on whether what I have is any good.

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Quote:

It should be forbiden not to do overclocking to that cpu. You can reach 4Ghz easily. So, why not?


Why not?
Purely because I have no idea what I'm doing.
Haha.

Is it that easy?


Quote:
All you need is to buy 2 ATI graphic cards (same model) (2x5850)

Yeah.
I know what crossfire is.
But do you think it will be necessary on my build?
Like, is the Graphics Card going to be a bottleneck compared to everything else?


Quote:
That is an amazing mobo. Anyway, consider to buy the ASUS P6X58D-E. It's much cheaper and performs very well:
http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h2260.htm
http://itshootout.com/r-339/asus-p [...] rd-review/


Will look into it!


Quote:
That HD is a good option, anyway I would go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA 3Gb/s 32MB-cache

Why would you choose that one?
Just out of interest...

Quote:
Here you have some good options:

MIDTOWER:
COOLER MASTER 690 II ADVANCED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4RC6r2NTk
FULL TOWER:
ANTEC 1200: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3MNAQLuIQ
COOLER MASTER ATCS 840: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8_1cQkYTO4
LIAN LI X1000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZM4kPnZPY

Awesome.
I'm going to have a look into those now.

Do you think I should get a full or mid tower?
I'd prefer as small as possible, but are Mid towers going to fit everything?


Quote:
If you won't do any overclocking is not necessary. Anyway, I wolud recommend you to buy at least the COOLER MASTER HYPER 212 PLUS. It's cheap and performs very well.
If you want the best go for a NOCTUA NH-D14. It's simply marvelous.

Without OCing will it be necessary in 40 degree celcius heat?


Quote:
The CORSAIR HX750 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/775 is an amazing option. Other very good psus are:
XFX XPS Black Edition 750 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=184
SEASONIC X-750
You will have more than enough with 750W, but if you want 850W, then go for the CORSAIR HX850 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/741 or the XFX XPS Black Edition 850 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=165


Excellent.

Quote:
The best (and the more expensive) is PLEXTOR.
Anyway, LG is decent.

So. Anything from those 2 brands is OK?
Any others to look at?

Quote:
All the cases come plenty of fans.

Ok.

Quote:
YES, go for the DOMINATOR.

Can I ask why?

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Thanks for all that!
I really appreciate it!

If you have any more opinions on the other questions I asked or on other parts of the build (Graphics Card/Processor/anything) please let me know.

And everybody else.
Please chip in with your advice on the build.

Cheers
-B
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April 26, 2010 12:21:53 AM

An update on what parts I'm thinking of going with.
Still looking for critique on all of them and whether they sound good for what I want. (General usage with ability to run top end games at top end).
Also whether there are anY parts in there that are going to bottleneck.
And, of course, whether there is anywhere I can save money without hurting performance drastically.

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Processor
Intel
Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/CPU [...] 0601930%5D


Motherboard
Asus P6X58D-Premium [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $389.00AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Mot [...] DR3/ATX%5D


RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/RAM [...] G1600C8%5D


Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Gra [...] Express2.0


Hard Drive
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm 32MB SATA --- $125AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Har [...] 001FALS%5D
OR
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Har [...]


Case
CoolerMaster HAF 922 Case --- $189AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Cas [...] RC-922M%5D
OR
CoolerMaster 690 II Advanced --- $159AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Cas [...]
OR
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 --- $89AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Cas [...]


PSU
Corsair 750W TX-750 --- $179AUD
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Pow [...]


Optical Drive
Still needing suggestions.


Monitor
Still needing suggestions.
(See post 1 with more details).

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So.
There it is.
Thoughts? Issues? Bottlenecks? Places to save money?

Cheers.
-B
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April 26, 2010 10:02:43 AM

Balthraka said:
Quote:
personally i don't think you need to spend so much, i use a Coolermaster cm690 II advanced, which you can find a little cheaper, and my 5850 fits with plenty of space.


looks like $159 on the website you're posting from.


Ok.
Thanks.
I will look into that one.

Do you have any opinions on the build and all the other questions?

--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------

Quote:
save yourself $100 and go with this http://www.lmc.com.au/products/Cas [...] nturion_5_[CAC-T05-UW]_No_PSU_Black_Silver_Case It is highly reccomended on newegg.com. Personally i use the apex 3620, a cheapo case, i wouldnt reccomend cheaping out on a case becasue you can always reuse cases from build to build. The 922 is an amazing case but this save money can easily go towards other parts of your build you may want to upgrade.
also with this case i suggest getting a couple of fans to improve airflow and adding a hyper 212 + cpu cooler with arctic 5 thermal compound http://www.lmc.com.au/products/CPU [...] _3.5_Gram_[THP-AS]
(cant find 212+ on the site you want to use)


Awesome.
Thanks.
I will also look into that! :-)

Any opinions on the rest of the build?
It's my first one so I'm looking for any and all advice on whether what I have is any good.

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Quote:

It should be forbiden not to do overclocking to that cpu. You can reach 4Ghz easily. So, why not?


Why not?
Purely because I have no idea what I'm doing.
Haha.

Is it that easy?


Quote:
All you need is to buy 2 ATI graphic cards (same model) (2x5850)

Yeah.
I know what crossfire is.
But do you think it will be necessary on my build?
Like, is the Graphics Card going to be a bottleneck compared to everything else?


Quote:
That is an amazing mobo. Anyway, consider to buy the ASUS P6X58D-E. It's much cheaper and performs very well:
http://www.itreviews.co.uk/hardware/h2260.htm
http://itshootout.com/r-339/asus-p [...] rd-review/


Will look into it!


Quote:
That HD is a good option, anyway I would go for a Samsung Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SATA 3Gb/s 32MB-cache

Why would you choose that one?
Just out of interest...

Quote:
Here you have some good options:

MIDTOWER:
COOLER MASTER 690 II ADVANCED: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Ed4RC6r2NTk
FULL TOWER:
ANTEC 1200: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0j3MNAQLuIQ
COOLER MASTER ATCS 840: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=r8_1cQkYTO4
LIAN LI X1000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GqZM4kPnZPY

Awesome.
I'm going to have a look into those now.

Do you think I should get a full or mid tower?
I'd prefer as small as possible, but are Mid towers going to fit everything?


Quote:
If you won't do any overclocking is not necessary. Anyway, I wolud recommend you to buy at least the COOLER MASTER HYPER 212 PLUS. It's cheap and performs very well.
If you want the best go for a NOCTUA NH-D14. It's simply marvelous.

Without OCing will it be necessary in 40 degree celcius heat?


Quote:
The CORSAIR HX750 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/775 is an amazing option. Other very good psus are:
XFX XPS Black Edition 750 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=184
SEASONIC X-750
You will have more than enough with 750W, but if you want 850W, then go for the CORSAIR HX850 http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/741 or the XFX XPS Black Edition 850 http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.p [...] y&reid=165


Excellent.

Quote:
The best (and the more expensive) is PLEXTOR.
Anyway, LG is decent.

So. Anything from those 2 brands is OK?
Any others to look at?

Quote:
All the cases come plenty of fans.

Ok.

Quote:
YES, go for the DOMINATOR.

Can I ask why?

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Thanks for all that!
I really appreciate it!

If you have any more opinions on the other questions I asked or on other parts of the build (Graphics Card/Processor/anything) please let me know.

And everybody else.
Please chip in with your advice on the build.

Cheers
-B



1) Overclock an i7 930 is extremely easy. Just read a bit. There is a lot of people who have done that and have shared their experiencies.
2) No bottlenecks in your configuration. With a 5850 you will have more than enough. Only do cf if you want extra power in graphics.
3) The Samsung HD is cheaper and performs very very well (at least as well as the WD, even a bit better).
4) Go for the HX750. It's a better power supply. The difference is not only being modular: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/505
5) LG is ok. If you want the best quality, go for Plextor.
6) The DOMINATOR modules have better stability and performance.
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April 26, 2010 10:11:02 AM

Hey ... And howdy !

Well, the OP PM'd me and asked for a look-over, so here I am.

Balthraka? ... I just took a glance at your first and last post, here, and skimmed the rest ...

I know you asked for my advice and I am very happy to give it, but I can see, right here, at first glance, that you are just going to HATE what I have to say ... Too late ! ... You asked for it and, now, you gonna get it.

Please keep in mind that *I* have *NO* investment in what you do with your money or what you finally decide, and I will not argue because I am getting too old for that she+it.

Frankly? ... A good $850 AMD HTPC or a $1000 i3 build would just cut through everything you want to do like a red hot knife thru a stick of soft, warm butter.

The system you have spec'd is three times more powerful than what you could possibly use or need or notice.

What you are proposing is purely and patently wasteful ... That power will go completely unused and un-noticed.

Not only that ... it will be LARGE ... it will be way too loud for HTPC (if in the same room) ... You are likely to use it alot and there is no reason to burn all that electricity and to pour all that heat into your home (unless Alaska).

Even an ATOM/ION2 could handle your requirements with a modicum of aplomb.

I recommend an Athlon-II x3 rig with a fast clock and a 5670 on a 980GX chipset mobo with 4GB of generic (Kingston Value RaM) 1333c9 ram and a Spinpoint F3 @500GB with an Earthwatts ~450Watt PSU. (+or- 50Watts)

Spend all that extra dough swanking out your home theater.

I have not seen one of these cases in person, but here is my contribution .... This requires a micro-ATX mobo and PSU (will be ~400W and fine)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

A decent mobo ... (for this case ... uATX) ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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April 26, 2010 10:51:19 PM

Henry Chinaski said:

1) Overclock an i7 930 is extremely easy. Just read a bit. There is a lot of people who have done that and have shared their experiencies.
2) No bottlenecks in your configuration. With a 5850 you will have more than enough. Only do cf if you want extra power in graphics.
3) The Samsung HD is cheaper and performs very very well (at least as well as the WD, even a bit better).
4) Go for the HX750. It's a better power supply. The difference is not only being modular: http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/505
5) LG is ok. If you want the best quality, go for Plextor.
6) The DOMINATOR modules have better stability and performance.


Awesome. Thanks for that.

1)
I will look into it.
Still not that keen, but I will see.

2)
Ok.
So, no bottlnecks.

What about the other way around?
Is there a part that is much better than the rest of the system? Which I could easily download without sacrificing anything?

Also.
Can it currently run high requirement games at high settings on a decent size monitor?
That's not my main plan but I'm interested...

3)
Ok.
Thanks.
I will switch to that.

4)
Hmm...
It appears that the HX750 isn't available on my site...
:-(
Is the TX-750 any good?

5)
Thanks.

6)
Do I need the performance?
Or will it just be a redundant upgrade?
As for stability... Are mine stable enough?

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Quote:

Hey ... And howdy !

Well, the OP PM'd me and asked for a look-over, so here I am.

Balthraka? ... I just took a glance at your first and last post, here, and skimmed the rest ...

Thank you very much!

Perfect.
That's what I wanted.
:-)

Quote:

I know you asked for my advice and I am very happy to give it, but I can see, right here, at first glance, that you are just going to HATE what I have to say ... Too late ! ... You asked for it and, now, you gonna get it.

Trust me.
I won't hate it at all.

I know that I have no idea what I'm talking about and I need any and all advice!
I appreciate it.

Quote:

Please keep in mind that *I* have *NO* investment in what you do with your money or what you finally decide, and I will not argue because I am getting too old for that she+it.

Just a heads up.
My responses are not arguments.
They will just be questions about what you've said to help me understand, and I hope you can respond to them.

Quote:

Frankly? ... A good $850 AMD HTPC or a $1000 i3 build would just cut through everything you want to do like a red hot knife thru a stick of soft, warm butter.

The system you have spec'd is three times more powerful than what you could possibly use or need or notice.

What you are proposing is purely and patently wasteful ... That power will go completely unused and un-noticed.

Ok. I can understand that.
I am, however, looking for something that will last for 5 odd years. I don't plan on upgrading any time soon.
And my thought with getting something overpowered was that it is upgradeable part by part without needing a full update of the system and will deal with whatever the future may throw at it under my purposes.

Do you think a much weaker system will still be like this?

Quote:

Not only that ... it will be LARGE ... it will be way too loud for HTPC (if in the same room) ... You are likely to use it alot and there is no reason to burn all that electricity and to pour all that heat into your home (unless Alaska).

Which part of it will be the loudest?
I honestly have no idea about 'loudness'... Haha.

Quote:

I recommend an Athlon-II x3 rig with a fast clock and a 5670 on a 980GX chipset mobo with 4GB of generic (Kingston Value RaM) 1333c9 ram and a Spinpoint F3 @500GB with an Earthwatts ~450Watt PSU. (+or- 50Watts)

Thank you.
I appreciate that.

I'm still not sure which way I'm going to go with this. You've given me a lot to think about.
Once I get an answer to the above question that decision will be made!

Quote:

I have not seen one of these cases in person, but here is my contribution .... This requires a micro-ATX mobo and PSU (will be ~400W and fine)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] -_-Product

A decent mobo ... (for this case ... uATX) ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] =msi%20890 ]

Cheers!

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I'm still really in need monitor advice and info.
:-/

Thanks heaps!
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On the monitor thing ... You live in OZ, no? ... Whole different market.

I will give my best generic advice ...

(1) Get an LCD HDTV ... more inputs, built in tuner, sound decode, cheaper.
It sould have a refresh rate of at least 100Hz (OZ is PAL ? )
.... If a computer monitor ... a max refresh of 6ms ... 2ms ideal.

(2) Get 1080/100P(progressive scan) ... Should be at LEAST 24" to be of any real use. ... I sit on the other side of the room ... I have a 52" mon and run it at 720P when I am not sitting closer ... makes text bigger. BUT ... When I edit, I sit close and go to 1080P ... at that rez ... the icon labels are pretty small .. Oh ... I'm old.

(3) If you see more than one mon, in your future, get them together ... matched.

Not much else I can say ... just get a widescreen LCD ... If a computer mon the rez will be 1920x1200 and if HDTV, then 1080P/100Hz(PAL)

... Oh ... headphone jack or analog audio out can be VERY helpful ... more than you think.

= Alvin =
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On the monitor thing ... You live in OZ, no? ... Whole different market.

That is correct.
Whole different market? Really?
We aren't behind in computer stuff...
Even cost is pretty par (when the US dollar is not doing so badly).

Quote:

I will give my best generic advice ...

(1) Get an LCD HDTV ... more inputs, built in tuner, sound decode, cheaper.
It sould have a refresh rate of at least 100Hz (OZ is PAL ? )
.... If a computer monitor ... a max refresh of 6ms ... 2ms ideal.

(2) Get 1080/100P(progressive scan) ... Should be at LEAST 24" to be of any real use. ... I sit on the other side of the room ... I have a 52" mon and run it at 720P when I am not sitting closer ... makes text bigger. BUT ... When I edit, I sit close and go to 1080P ... at that rez ... the icon labels are pretty small .. Oh ... I'm old.

(3) If you see more than one mon, in your future, get them together ... matched.

Not much else I can say ... just get a widescreen LCD ... If a computer mon the rez will be 1920x1200 and if HDTV, then 1080P/100Hz(PAL)

Beautiful.
That's what I wanted.

Aus is PAL. Yes.

So.
2ms refresh rate.
24".
LCD.
Widescreen.
1920x1200.
???

Apart from the 24" part, that's gonna give me a very good quality monitor?
Any other specs I need to pay attention too?

Quote:

... Oh ... headphone jack or analog audio out can be VERY helpful ... more than you think.

Will look out for it.

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Any response to the other parts of my post?

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Well ... Don't gloss over the audio considerations ... can get hinky.

I don't even know how to start talking about that, without writing a novel.

If you want HTPC functionallity ... the question ... What are the speakers connected to?

Analog? .. Digital? ... So many ways to skin a joey.

= Al =
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April 27, 2010 12:42:08 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Well ... Don't gloss over the audio considerations ... can get hinky.

I don't even know how to start talking about that, without writing a novel.

If you want HTPC functionallity ... the question ... What are the speakers connected to?

Analog? .. Digital? ... So many ways to skin a joey.

= Al =


Ah. Ok.
So there is way to much to it?
Haha.
But, the specs to look out for primarily are the ones I wrote above?

As for speakers.
I was not aware they were plugged into the monitor.
(This is going to show my complete ignorance). I have always plugged them into SOMETHING in the case. Haha.
Where can they be plugged other than monitor? And whichever part it is, does the one I have written above allow it?

Also.
What is the difference between 1920x1200 and 1920x1080?
I was looking at this one. But it's 1920x1080.
http://www.lmc.com.au/products/LCD_Monitors_and_TVs/Ben...

Cheers.
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April 27, 2010 10:58:20 PM

And while those questions are being mulled over.
Here is my latest update on the build (with eveything included this time).

Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD

Motherboard
Asus P6X58D-Premium [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $389.00AUD

RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD

Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD

PSU
Corsair 850W TX-850 ATX --- $219AUD

Case
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 --- $89AUD

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24x DVD±RW SATA Retail --- $39AUD

Monitor
BenQ 24" E2420HD Wide 2ms 50000:1 Built-In Speakers - Glossy Black --- $279AUD



TOTAL
$2448AUD


This, of course, brings up the issue put forward by Alvin that this system is way more than what I need.
I completely agree with him, however I do want something that is going to last me for 5 years and will play and run everything currently out at max settings easily.
Going hand in hand with this, is that this build is currently too expensive. As I said in post 1, I don't have a set limit, but I want the best value for money (obviously) and want to cut back on some stuff.

So. Where can I save money here without sacrifcing performance too drastically?

We have established that there are no bottlenecks in the system, but is there anything the opposite of this. As in, is there something that is above and beyond the other components and will be unused (making every OTHER part the bottleneck)?
Or is there just something that I can replace with a cheaper part which will perform almost equally.

My first thought is to drop one of the Graphics cards.
My second is to cheapen the PSU. (But I'm not sure how or to what.)

Other thoughts?

Cheers.
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OUCH ! ! ! ,

First, just let me say that I find those pricings to be neither comensurate, not consistent.

Without currency conversion, the HDD costs less than we would pay, here ... While, several other components look to cost twice as much as what I'd expect ...
... mostly, tho, about 30% over.

I would certainly shop around or, at least, do a Yankee-egg build-total and convert the currency for a true comparison ... just for grins .. you ... not me.

Second ... You'd prolly be better off with a system that cost half as much and only expect it to last three years because, by then, we will be buying 48 core processors with 64GB memory that clips to your belt, like a pager, for $400 ... Mmmkay, maybe not. ... but you catch my drift.

I can't say what going to a single 5970 would cost ... You'd want a bigger PSU with that, tho ... to cover a 2nd ... if that is ever feasible ... or a switch to FERMI .

I think some hard shopping and some soul searching would help, a bit ...

... And, while you are searching that soul ... you just might want to check out the benchmarks and pricing on that AMD 965 Black Quad platform ... I was comparing the benches to a Core-i7/920 just this morning.

Games are all about the GPU and a fast clock ...

My advice is to choose one of these three courses ...

(1) Go cheap and wait for prices to come down ... or ...

(2) Wait for prices to come down and (then) go cheap.

(3) both.

= Alvin = (The smart-ass)
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OUCH ! ! ! ,

First, just let me say that I find those pricings to be neither comensurate, not consistent.


They are definitely not consistent.
I know this.

The issue is that most stuff in Aus is priced off US products (obviously).
However, they are priced off what the exchange rate was 18 months ago. When 1USD bought 2AUD.
Because the US dollar is absolutely screwed at the moment though, 1USD is only buying 1AUD. Therefore it is the perfect time for us to buy stuff from the US because it's about half price.
But really... Our prices haven't changed and are fair. It's just that it's a good time for us to use the horrible USD to our advantage.
Saying all that. Are there any reliable US sites that deliver to AUS? It would definitely be worth buying from the States (except for case and monitor) and saving money that way.



Quote:

Without currency conversion, the HDD costs less than we would pay, here ... While, several other components look to cost twice as much as what I'd expect ...
... mostly, tho, about 30% over.


Yeah.
That's about right.
(Using the current exchange rate).



Quote:

I would certainly shop around or, at least, do a Yankee-egg build-total and convert the currency for a true comparison ... just for grins .. you ... not me.


Here is the cost from newegg.
Processor.
$295USD

MoBo
$300

RAM
$175

GPU
$315
$315

HD
$90

PSU
$160

Case
$50

Optical Drive
$25

Monitor
Not there.
But appears to be about $240

So.
All that equals
USD$1965
Which (on todays exchange rate) is about AUD$2143.
Only about $300 cheaper...

Am I missing something here?
Seems pretty good to me and similar to me.
Once the US dollar comes back that AUS price will be ridiculously cheap...



Quote:

Second ... You'd prolly be better off with a system that cost half as much and only expect it to last three years because, by then, we will be buying 48 core processors with 64GB memory that clips to your belt, like a pager, for $400 ... Mmmkay, maybe not. ... but you catch my drift.

Hmm...
A good point...



Quote:

I can't say what going to a single 5970 would cost ... You'd want a bigger PSU with that, tho ... to cover a 2nd ... if that is ever feasible ... or a switch to FERMI .


Is that a suggestion to go with one 5970 instead of one 5850?



Quote:

My advice is to choose one of these three courses ...

(1) Go cheap and wait for prices to come down ... or ...

(2) Wait for prices to come down and (then) go cheap.

(3) both.


See... I don't like the waiting part in any of those 3 options. Haha.
You can always wait for prices to drop, but then there is new technology...
:-/

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So. (Again).
We have established that there are no bottlenecks in the system, but is there anything the opposite of this. As in, is there something that is above and beyond the other components and will be unused (making every OTHER part the bottleneck)?
Or is there just something that I can replace with a cheaper part which will perform almost equally?

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Well ... with your build (extreme) ... It would be stupid to go with one single 5850 ... and it would be unwise to go with 2x5850 ... It would prolly be pretty cool to have a 5970, except for the price and availability ... hmmm ... what option have I missed ? ... OH !!! ...

... One single 5870 ... That is what I suggest, for your build, at this time.

... In 14 months? ... Drop another one in there ... And stroke your 850Watt Corsair, lovingly, while you have the case open.

= Al =
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Quote:

Well ... with your build (extreme) ... It would be stupid to go with one single 5850

So... Are you saying that a single 5850 will be a bottlenech?

Quote:

... and it would be unwise to go with 2x5850 ... It would prolly be pretty cool to have a 5970, except for the price and availability ... hmmm ... what option have I missed ? ... OH !!! ...

... One single 5870 ... That is what I suggest, for your build, at this time.

Ok. Thank you.
But that is still costing more.
I was hoping to use a single 5850 to save myself some money there.

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So. (Again (Again)).
Is there anything the opposite of a bottleneck in this system. As in, is there something that is above and beyond the other components and will be unused (making every OTHER part the bottleneck)?
Or is there just something that I can replace with a cheaper part which will perform almost equally?

Cheers.
-B
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Hey ... I'd take a 5850 any day ... I's good for Hi-Wez with (most) all features "ON".

Just that a 5870 would be a better match and prolly won't start draggin, as soon ...

I thot I saw 2x5850s posted (one over the other) on your OP ... yup, I did.

QUOTE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD

Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD

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Alvin Smith said:
Hey ... I'd take a 5850 any day ... I's good for Hi-Wez with (most) all features "ON".

Just that a 5870 would be a better match and prolly won't start draggin, as soon ...

I thot I saw 2x5850s posted (one over the other) on your OP ... yup, I did.

QUOTE >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD

Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD



Ok.
Cool.
Sorry... I'm really struggling to read between the lines to understand your messages.
I am very new to this...

So, you think that the Graphics Card (if I go for a 5850) will be the weakest point in the system?
Is that right?

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That was not my OP.
It was my last updated one.
But yes, I do have two in their for crossfire.

However, the whole point of that message (along with the last couple) was looking for advice on how to make it cheaper and asking if there is anything the opposite of a bottleneck in this system. As in, is there something that is above and beyond the other components and will be unused (making every OTHER part the bottleneck)?
And I wrote that my first thing to drop would probably be the second 5850 and asked for opinion on that and other things.
(That's why I'm trying to understand what you're saying about the GPU because I thought it was about my question.)
So... Should I drop the second 5850? Or is there a better place to save money? And is there anywhere else to save money? And the question above that I keep asking.


Cheers.
-B
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April 28, 2010 5:37:07 AM

Listen, Bub ... I'll explain it again ...

To build a gaming rig ... You start with a budget ... You pick the best GPU you can afford ... and that is usually about 24% of the budget.

The games care about the GPU foremost ... Next, the clock rate ... then, the number of cores (2 or more .. but more, in future) ... Amount of RAM (up to 4GB) ... and, then ... drive speed. ... And the Display is VERY important to the human.

So pick your GPU and display ... then your proc and chipset ... then the rest.

In a nutshell ... with your budget, ... what we call a "Balanced Build" .. would be.

Radeon 5870 1GB GDDR5 (ONE)
P7P55D mobo and a Core i5-750 proc
(2x2GB) Ripjaws DDR3 1600c7
...and, all the rest. (starting with the best cooler you can find).

= Al =
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April 28, 2010 5:37:35 AM

AND, BTW, ...

The rig I just spec'd will SMOKE your other build ... for less $AUD


= Al =
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April 28, 2010 6:01:49 AM

Balthraka said:
Ok.
Sorry... I'm really struggling to read between the lines to understand your messages.


You're not the only one. ;) 


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Sleep ... It's all yours !

I'm cooked.

= Nite =
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April 28, 2010 3:47:13 PM

Balthraka said:

I will be asking for a reccomendation down below, but can someone please tell me what resolution I want.


Generally people want 1680x1050 or 1920x1080 for gaming. This typically means a 22" or greater monitor. In the USA, these tend to run about $180-250. Your selection of monitor drives the choice of graphics card, as an expensive graphics card will be completely wasted on a low-resolution monitor. Similarly, an HD monitor will be too much to handle for gaming with lower-end graphics cards.

Please excuse me for not diving in and finding all the parts on your website of choice at the moment. I'm going to make some general recommendations now and if I have the time later, I'll try to find links for you. I've read through the thread, but it was a couple of days ago, and I'm going to apologize in advance if I say something that's already been suggested.


[b said:
Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD]
Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD
[/b]

Total overkill for your stated usage. The i7-930 is a great chip, but it mostly shines for programs that use the hyperthreading (not games). This means heavy photo/audio/video editing mostly.

I'd suggest going with an AMD chip, ideally the Phenom II X4 955, but any fast X3 or X4 will do. Alternatively, you could go with an Intel i5, though that will limit some of your options in the future. I'm going to proceed with the rest of the suggestions as if the build is AMD, but the only change required for Intel (assuming no budget constraints) would be to go with a different motherboard.

Mobo - AM3 with USB3 & SATA 6 Gb/s and SLI/CrossFire capability. In the USA, I would expect to spend about $125-150. The Gigabyte and Asus 790 and 890 boards are well-regarded.


[b said:
RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM]
RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM
[/b]

Corsair is typically overpriced for what you get. G.Skill, Mushkin, Kingston are all good brands that usually sell for less. Ideally, you want a 4 GB kit (for either AMD or Intel i5) at 1333 or 1600 MHz with CAS Latency 7 timings. USA-centric link follows: G.Skill Ripjaws 1600 MHz CAS 7 4 GB kit

4 GB is all you need for gaming these days. For the i7-930, you would want 6 GB in order to fully populate the triple-channel RAM, but it's unnecessary to go with more than 4 GB (for gaming) for other chips.


[b said:
Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0]
Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0
[/b]

Excellent choice, assuming you get a decent monitor. Most people think the 5850 is the right balance of price vs. performance. It maxes most games at 1920x1080, with the notable exception of Crysis. No reason to change this unless you get a very low resolution monitor or you end up being able to buy a 5870 instead (which will pretty much max Crysis at 1920x1080).


[b said:
Hard Drive
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm 32MB SATA --- $125AUD
I really have no idea about this HD.
Any good?
Do I need something with 10,000rpm?
Are they reliable?]
Hard Drive
WD Caviar Black 3.5" 1TB 7200rpm 32MB SATA --- $125AUD
I really have no idea about this HD.
Any good?
Do I need something with 10,000rpm?
Are they reliable?
[/b]

My recommendation would be any of the following:
500 GB - Seagate 7200.12, Samsung Spinpoint F3 - typically about $55 in the USA
1 TB - same as above (about $90 here), and Western Digital WD1002FAEX (SATA III & 64 MB cache, and about $120)

You do not need a 10k rpm hard drive. For the expense, you would be better off spending a little more and getting an SSD, which are much faster than the 10k drives. The 7200 rpm drives I recommend above are faster than the 10k drives at streaming data, but not quite as fast at random reads & writes.


[b said:
Case
No idea.
I want something that will fit everything (obviously) and is not going to have overheat issues in a 40degree celcius day in Australia.
(I guess I want smallest possible that will fit all).
Suggestions from the above site? (Or other Aus one?)]
Case
No idea.
I want something that will fit everything (obviously) and is not going to have overheat issues in a 40degree celcius day in Australia.
(I guess I want smallest possible that will fit all).
Suggestions from the above site? (Or other Aus one?)
[/b]

I would think you'd want to go with a mid-tower. The one that is most frequently recommended around here is the Coolermaster HAF 922. I think it's ugly, but it is said to have a lot of room inside. Antec also has some good cases.


[b said:
Cooling
Do I need extra cooling?
Read above for possible issue.]
Cooling
Do I need extra cooling?
Read above for possible issue.
[/b]

You only need additional cooling if you intend to overclock.


[b said:
PSU
I'm thinking 850W something.
Again. Suggestions from above site?]
PSU
I'm thinking 850W something.
Again. Suggestions from above site?
[/b]

850 W is only necessary if you intend to SLI/Crossfire 2 high-end cards. 750 W will be more than enough for two 5850s.

General recommendations: stick with big names, make sure it's 80+ certified and has active PFC. Will look at the site if I get a chance later.


[b said:
Optical drive
Something that will run everything and burn everything.
Not too stressed on the speed.
What's a good value one at the moment?[]/quotemsg]

They're all basically the same. Get the cheapest SATA drive that you can find.

said:

Monitors
I'm thinking I want an LCD. And I want a widescreen (I think).
Are games bad on a widescreen?]
Optical drive
Something that will run everything and burn everything.
Not too stressed on the speed.
What's a good value one at the moment?[]/quotemsg]

They're all basically the same. Get the cheapest SATA drive that you can find.

said:

Monitors
I'm thinking I want an LCD. And I want a widescreen (I think).
Are games bad on a widescreen?
[/b]
said:
said:


Games are fine on widescreen. Very few LCDs are made these days that aren't widescreen anyway.


What sort of size is not ridiculously huge but also slightly bigger than average.
And what can my system cope with while keeping quality up?
(Keep in mind I've been using a 9" screen for the last few years. Haha). said:

What sort of size is not ridiculously huge but also slightly bigger than average.
And what can my system cope with while keeping quality up?
(Keep in mind I've been using a 9" screen for the last few years. Haha).


The current sweet spot for price vs. resolution is 22" to 24". I would suggest a screen that is 1920x1080 (or 1920x1200) that doesn't break your budget. Low response time is also ideal, under 5-6 ms.


-Is there anywhere the system as I have it so far will bottleneck? said:

-Is there anywhere the system as I have it so far will bottleneck?


Neither what you had posted nor my suggestions above have any really significant bottlenecks.


-Is there anything it couldn't do? Can you give me an example of what game it could run on high settings? said:

-Is there anything it couldn't do? Can you give me an example of what game it could run on high settings?


As mentioned, with the 5850, with a 1080p monitor, you would be able to run almost all current games on high.


-Do I need extra cooling?
On this note. Remember that I live in a place where we do get the occasional 40 degree celcius day and I want this to be able to be on and being used all day during those time. said:

-Do I need extra cooling?
On this note. Remember that I live in a place where we do get the occasional 40 degree celcius day and I want this to be able to be on and being used all day during those time.


Highly unlikely that you need additional cooling. You could get a couple of extra case fans, but unless you intend to overclock, you probably don't need anything for the processor.


-I need a lot of info on monitors.
Please provide. Haha. said:

-I need a lot of info on monitors.
Please provide. Haha.


http://forums.anandtech.com/showthread.php?t=39226

And please tell me what resolution I want (and what each is like). said:
And please tell me what resolution I want (and what each is like).


I really can't describe them adequately. You would be best served by going to an electronics store and looking at monitors in person.


-I was going to Xfire. But I don't know whether it's worth it. What do you think?
Is it needed for my purposes? (As in. Will the GPU be a bottleneck?) said:

-I was going to Xfire. But I don't know whether it's worth it. What do you think?
Is it needed for my purposes? (As in. Will the GPU be a bottleneck?)


I never recommend going Crossfire at the start of a build (except for $3k+ builds). It's much more useful as an upgrade path in 1-2 years when new games are stressing the single-card setup. As mentioned, the GPU as is will not be a significant bottleneck, assuming a reasonable monitor selection.

Is my RAM compatible with my MoBo?
Should I go with the Dominator RAM for a little bit extra? said:
Is my RAM compatible with my MoBo?
Should I go with the Dominator RAM for a little bit extra?


As mentioned, I'm not really a fan of paying for Corsair's name. The RAM you selected seems fine for the i7, but it's hard to say for certain, as the website doesn't mention the voltage. For new Intel boards, you need a max of 1.65V.
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April 28, 2010 4:02:36 PM

I would like to provide some feedback but I'm totally lost on what the OP is buying or still needs. I have to say this thread has the most
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I'm still trying to read through and understand everything, so hopefully I can provide some feedback, unless I have nothing more useful to add that has already been said.
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Normally, I wouldn't go all crazy like that, but I was trying to get back to the original questions, since it seemed like the OP was just getting more and more confused.

You're right though, it does look ugly. I'll restrain myself in the future. :) 
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Quote:

Listen, Bub ... I'll explain it again ...

See... The problem is...
You haven't explained it the first time yet.
That's why I (as a first time ever thinking about what makes a computer person) am struggling to understand.


Quote:

To build a gaming rig ... You start with a budget ... You pick the best GPU you can afford ... and that is usually about 24% of the budget.

The games care about the GPU foremost ... Next, the clock rate ... then, the number of cores (2 or more .. but more, in future) ... Amount of RAM (up to 4GB) ... and, then ... drive speed. ... And the Display is VERY important to the human.

So pick your GPU and display ... then your proc and chipset ... then the rest.

Thank you!!!!
That is exactly what I've been wanting the whole time (well, part of it.)

Now I know how I can start to shave money.

Quote:

In a nutshell ... with your budget, ... what we call a "Balanced Build" .. would be.

Radeon 5870 1GB GDDR5 (ONE)
P7P55D mobo and a Core i5-750 proc
(2x2GB) Ripjaws DDR3 1600c7
...and, all the rest. (starting with the best cooler you can find).

I don't hava SET budget.
But thank you.
I appreciate those suggestions.

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Quote:

You're not the only one. ;) 


Oh, thank god!
Haha.

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Coldsleep.
Thank you very much for your massive post.
I really appreciate it, and it answered almost all the questions from my OP. :-)

I am not going to go through it bit by bit in my response, but trust me, I have looked at it and noted it all down in my New Computer document. Haha


What I am going to do now is just repost my most up to date list with the questions I had about it.
(By the way. I know it doesn't look like I'm changing anything even with all the advice, but that is because I keep asking questions to help me decide which never get answered. So, please don't have a go at me about that.) (See first few sentences below the list).

Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD

Motherboard
Asus P6X58D-Premium [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $389.00AUD

RAM
Corsair 6GB kit (3x XMS 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 1600MHz DIMM --- $269AUD

Graphics Card
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD

PSU
Corsair 850W TX-850 ATX --- $219AUD

Case
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 --- $89AUD

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24x DVD±RW SATA Retail --- $39AUD

Monitor
BenQ 24" E2420HD Wide 2ms 50000:1 Built-In Speakers - Glossy Black --- $279AUD


TOTAL
$2083AUD


So. We have established that this is way more than what I need.
I completely agree with this, however I do want something that is going to last me for 5 years without any real changes and will play and run everything currently out at max settings easily.
I would rather get it better now and not worry about changes (because I don't keep up with technology news).
It seems that quad core is the thing at the moment, and while I am sure it will be superceded very soon, dual core has been around for a long time and I want something new now so it lasts and is futureproof.

The build is, however, currently too expensive. As I said in post 1, I don't have a set limit, but I want the best value for money (obviously) and want to cut back on some stuff.

So. Where can I save money here without sacrifcing performance too drastically?

We have established that there are no bottlenecks in the system, but is there anything the opposite of this. As in, is there something that is above and beyond the other components and will be unused (making every OTHER part the bottleneck)?
Or is there just something that I can replace with a cheaper part which will perform almost equally.

I have already dropped one of the 2 graphics cards.
My second is to cheapen the PSU. (But I'm not sure how or to what.)

Other thoughts?

The site I am using is
www.lmc.com.au
if you have the time to find stuff on there.

I also just have a few more questions that I have asked through the thread without getting a response.
-Is loudness going to be an isue with this build?
And what is the loudest part of the system?
I honestly have no idea about this...

-In a monitor are these the things I'm looking for?
2ms refresh rate.
24".
LCD.
Widescreen.
1920x1200 (or 1080).
?

-As for speakers.
I was not aware they were plugged into the monitor.
(This is going to show my complete ignorance). I have always plugged them into SOMETHING in the case. Haha.
Where can they be plugged other than monitor? And whichever part it is, does the one I have written above allow it?

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tecmo34
I would love your feedback on what I just wrote above.
That is now my main concern (since coldsleep answered most my original queries and issues).



Cheers.
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April 28, 2010 7:21:21 PM

Here's what I'd do.

Processor - AMD Phenom II X4 965 - $229 -- relatively similar performance for gaming at $100 less
Mobo - ASUS M4A89GTD Pro AM3 890GX - SATA 6 GB/s USB3 $US 150, maybe $AUD 200? -- I could only find 1 AM3 mobo on that site, try looking for this motherboard on other sites?
RAM - Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 7 4 GB kit - $179 - superior timings compared to the Domniators
Graphics - 5850 - $395 or
Sapphire 5870 - $499
Samsung Spinpoint F3 - $95 - excellent choice, no need to change
PSU - Corsair 750W TX-750 - $179 -- 750 W should be more than enough for even CrossFired 5850s, could go back up to the 850W if you think you'll CrossFire 5870s
Case - whatever, say $100 -- too much up to personal preference for me to strongly recommend anything
Optical - any DVD/RW SATA drive - $39
Monitor - same - $279 -- if you want to go with built-in speakers, which is fine. Built-in speakers have come into vogue in the last 5 or 6 years due to people who also watch tv on their computers and want an all-in-one monitor/sound system. I'd be happy with any 1920x1080 (or up) monitor + speakers (attached or external) at this price point.

Total: $1695 with 5850, or about $1799 with 5870

I went with AMD due to lower price point as well as more future-proof at the moment. AM3 has not had an EOL announced yet, unlike the Intel boards. If you need to upgrade the processor in a few years, you could drop in the hex-core CPUs that have just been released.

I have heard the stock AMD CPU fan is loud, you could always buy a different one to reduce the noise. I believe frostytech has recommendations for quiet coolers. SilentPCReview probably does as well. Typically, either the CPU fan or the graphics card is the loudest portion of any system.

Speakers - with the monitor chosen (which seems to be a fine one), you would run a wire from the motherboard to the monitor. Otherwise, if you bought external speakers, you would run a wire from the motherboard to the external speakers.

EDIT: Another note about the processor. The primary difference between the Intel i7 chips and the AMD chips is that Intel has hyperthreading. This is pretty much not at all useful for gaming currently. There's no real reason to think that more than 4 cores are going to be needed for gaming for the near future. In 5 years, it's hard to say, but 4 cores should still be reasonable, if possibly at the low end.
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Sorry I failed the OP ... I was getting really tired and my patience started to slip.

Sometimes, a good bit of stamina is required ... Looks like ColdSleep had the goods.

= Regards =
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April 29, 2010 9:45:26 PM

coldsleep said:
Here's what I'd do.

Processor - AMD Phenom II X4 965 - $229 -- relatively similar performance for gaming at $100 less
Mobo - ASUS M4A89GTD Pro AM3 890GX - SATA 6 GB/s USB3 $US 150, maybe $AUD 200? -- I could only find 1 AM3 mobo on that site, try looking for this motherboard on other sites?
RAM - Kingston Hyper X DDR3 1600 MHz CAS 7 4 GB kit - $179 - superior timings compared to the Domniators
Graphics - 5850 - $395 or
Sapphire 5870 - $499
Samsung Spinpoint F3 - $95 - excellent choice, no need to change
PSU - Corsair 750W TX-750 - $179 -- 750 W should be more than enough for even CrossFired 5850s, could go back up to the 850W if you think you'll CrossFire 5870s
Case - whatever, say $100 -- too much up to personal preference for me to strongly recommend anything
Optical - any DVD/RW SATA drive - $39
Monitor - same - $279 -- if you want to go with built-in speakers, which is fine. Built-in speakers have come into vogue in the last 5 or 6 years due to people who also watch tv on their computers and want an all-in-one monitor/sound system. I'd be happy with any 1920x1080 (or up) monitor + speakers (attached or external) at this price point.

Total: $1695 with 5850, or about $1799 with 5870

I went with AMD due to lower price point as well as more future-proof at the moment. AM3 has not had an EOL announced yet, unlike the Intel boards. If you need to upgrade the processor in a few years, you could drop in the hex-core CPUs that have just been released.

I have heard the stock AMD CPU fan is loud, you could always buy a different one to reduce the noise. I believe frostytech has recommendations for quiet coolers. SilentPCReview probably does as well. Typically, either the CPU fan or the graphics card is the loudest portion of any system.

Speakers - with the monitor chosen (which seems to be a fine one), you would run a wire from the motherboard to the monitor. Otherwise, if you bought external speakers, you would run a wire from the motherboard to the external speakers.

EDIT: Another note about the processor. The primary difference between the Intel i7 chips and the AMD chips is that Intel has hyperthreading. This is pretty much not at all useful for gaming currently. There's no real reason to think that more than 4 cores are going to be needed for gaming for the near future. In 5 years, it's hard to say, but 4 cores should still be reasonable, if possibly at the low end.


Alright.
Beautiful.

So.
I have some good AMD gaming suggestions from Alvin and yourself.

I really appreciate it.
I am still looking at the i7 possibility just because I have heard so much about it and it seems very future proof and this rig isn't pure gaming.

But yeah.
I really thank you for it, and I will probably come back with a new thread soonish for final thoughts.
:-)
(Who knows whether AMD or Intel. Haha).

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Quote:
Sorry I failed the OP ... I was getting really tired and my patience started to slip.

Sometimes, a good bit of stamina is required ... Looks like ColdSleep had the goods.

= Regards =


Don't apologise.
You really did help, it was just quite hard to understand some of your more technical things.

But thank you!




Cheers.
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April 30, 2010 3:17:59 AM

I had been planning on going i7 with my next build, but it was just leaked that Intel is planning on EOL-ing that socket next year. There's no word yet on when AM3 is going EOL, but at this point, I think it's safe to assume that it will at least be 2012, maybe 2013.

This is making me lean towards AMD for my next build, in case I end up wanting to replace my processor in 2 years or so.

Otherwise, the i7-930 is an excellent processor, but only people that are doing heavy editing are going to use its full potential. Pure gamers would be better off with a non-hyperthreading, faster clock processor like the i5 or an AMD quad.
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April 30, 2010 4:50:13 AM

coldsleep said:
I had been planning on going i7 with my next build, but it was just leaked that Intel is planning on EOL-ing that socket next year. There's no word yet on when AM3 is going EOL, but at this point, I think it's safe to assume that it will at least be 2012, maybe 2013.

This is making me lean towards AMD for my next build, in case I end up wanting to replace my processor in 2 years or so.

Otherwise, the i7-930 is an excellent processor, but only people that are doing heavy editing are going to use its full potential. Pure gamers would be better off with a non-hyperthreading, faster clock processor like the i5 or an AMD quad.


Fairy Nuff.
That's reasonable.
Isn't that there newest socket thought? :-/

The thing is, this won't be pure gaming.
It will be primarily just general all around use with a bit of gaming thrown in (but since I haven't upgraded for about 5 years I want something high end that can do anything and everything well!)
That's why I went for the i7-930. Second tier down (never go for top tier) and good all around use (and can deal with heavy gaming).
I dunno though... Might end up with AMD if I can't cut down some cash on the i7 build.

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In case you're interested.
Here is what I have changed around with the original build to save some cash.

Processor
Intel Core i7 930 [2.8GHz/4.8GT QPT/8MB/LGA1366] --- $339.00AUD

Motherboard
Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R [Intel X58/LGA1366/DDR3/ATX] --- $259.00AUD

RAM
Corsair 6GB (3x XMS3 2GB) DDR3 PC-12800 16000MHz DIMM - $239AUD

Graphics Car
Sapphire ATI Radeon HD5850 1GB DDR5 PCI-Express2.0 --- $365AUD

Hard Drive
Samsung Spinpoint F3 3.5" 1TB 7200RPM 32MB SATAII --- $95AUD

PSU
Corsair 750W TX-750 ATX --- $179AUD

Case
CoolerMaster Centurion 5 --- $89AUD

Optical Drive
ASUS DRW-24B1ST 24x DVD±RW SATA Retail --- $39AUD

Monitor
BenQ 24" E2420HD Wide 2ms 50000:1 Built-In Speakers - Glossy Black --- $279AUD


TOTAL
1883
(Looking to save a little on the GPU)



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