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July 2, 2010 7:40:48 PM

is phenom really that much better than athlon in games? like would it increase performance if i upgraded from a athlon x2 245 to a phenom X2 BE 555

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July 2, 2010 7:44:07 PM

jordan009 said:
is phenom really that much better than athlon in games? like would it increase performance if i upgraded from a athlon x2 245 to a phenom X2 BE 555

That depends on a. the games you play and b. the graphics card you have. However, if you plan to upgrade, the difference would not be worth the cost. If you plan to upgrade, upgrade to a phenom IIx3 or better.
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July 2, 2010 7:44:18 PM

well i mostly do gaming (rts and rpg games) like would the 555 or the one you recomended improve performance in. sup com 2 (starcraft 2 when it comes out) WoW and medivel 2 total war and napeleon total war
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July 2, 2010 7:44:55 PM

well i have a xfx 5770
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July 2, 2010 7:57:00 PM

well by some things is one of them gaming?
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July 2, 2010 8:08:50 PM

jordan009 said:
well by some things is one of them gaming?


benchmarks

http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/121?vs=120

you wont see a difference in games that utilize more then two cores like Far Cry2 and Dragon Age. Are you having issues with a specific game?

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July 2, 2010 8:11:42 PM

most games dont use more than 2 cores, but we are getting a lot more 4 core games that are coming out. so for future proofing, a quad core is definitely a good idea. oc the 635 to 3.4 GHz+, and u have a very nice gamer too.
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July 2, 2010 8:25:29 PM

ok cool so really a phenom isnt really that much better?
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July 2, 2010 8:30:28 PM

not really. what is better though would be a 635, or a 445, or unlocked 555.
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July 2, 2010 8:32:16 PM

well im not sure if i can unlock a 555 since my motherboard is a gigabyte GA-MA785GMT-UD2H and i dont know ifi can unlock on it
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July 2, 2010 8:35:30 PM

ok well can you overcloack on stock cooling? and if you do doesnt it make your hradware degrade faster?
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July 2, 2010 8:37:27 PM

ok well whats a good aftermarket one for around 20-35 canadian dollars?
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July 2, 2010 9:08:06 PM

um wont let me see them...
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July 2, 2010 10:02:31 PM

well in any of your opinions getting a athlon quad core is more good than getting a phenom? or do phenom's really like boost your performance?
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July 3, 2010 1:44:39 AM

get phenom x4 965 and call it a day ;) 
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July 3, 2010 2:21:48 AM

if anything get the 955.
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July 3, 2010 4:27:04 AM

The extra cores in an Athlon II X4 help out a lot more than the 6mb L3 cache found in Phenom. But a Phenom II X4 would be even better than the Athlon II X4 because it has the cores and L3 cache.
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July 3, 2010 1:24:57 PM

yeah, but more and more games are being released that can use 4+ cores, so id say thats about to change
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July 3, 2010 1:53:49 PM

like what games??

people have been stated more and more games are demanding better graphics and more cores for a while

the only more and more I see are console ports and MMOs. games that are based off DX9, run on dual cores, and play on high with a Nvidia 9800GT at 1600x900.
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July 3, 2010 1:59:50 PM

dragon age origins, bfbc2, devil may cry 4, flight simulator x, company of heroes, supreme commander. a lot more games can use more than 2 cores however, i believe DiRT and farcry to name a few. but im not saying all games use 4 cores now, im saying a lot of new games that will be released in the near future will.
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July 3, 2010 2:10:25 PM

IF you want the l3 cache then the X3 720 (link is to US site but .ca has it for $106.99CA) is a good choice - it is a triple core processor so is better than a dual core and some can be unlocked to a quad core and has the full 6mb of l3 cache of the PII CPUs (so when used as a triple core has more cache than the quad core PIIs) -- just remember this is an OEM CPU and therefore has a limited warranty and no Heatsink\Fan included (but you don't really want a stock hs\fan anyway !) and for $107 Ca is a good buy for the performance.
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July 3, 2010 2:25:28 PM

ares1214 said:
dragon age origins, bfbc2, devil may cry 4, flight simulator x, company of heroes, supreme commander. a lot more games can use more than 2 cores however, i believe DiRT and farcry to name a few. but im not saying all games use 4 cores now, im saying a lot of new games that will be released in the near future will.


BFC2
Here is the same Core i7 920 processor with two cores disabled as well as HyperThreading. As you can see neither core is maxed out, but the CPU utilization is much higher. So again, a decent dual core processor such as a Core 2 Duo E8xxx or Phenom II X2 should be enough to get the most out of your graphics card in this game. While it is quad-core optimized, the game is not demanding enough on the CPU to warrant it based on what I have seen so far.

http://www.techspot.com/article/255-battlefield-bad-com...

Dragon Age and Far Cry 2; 3 vs 4 cores...identical FPS
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/112?vs=122


I own a quad and a triple core. Don't fall for the fan boys justifying their purchase of quad by stating you can't game without one. Unless you are running SLI/CF and have a 30" monitor the 4th core is not needed by any game. Does not mean you should not buy one.
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July 3, 2010 2:29:50 PM

im not saying you cant, you can game with a single core if u really wanted to. however when u can get a quad core for 99$ vs. a dual core for 99$, id take the quad. not only can u just oc the quad for equal gaming as the dual, or better. and new games and programs are starting to be able to utilize quads. so the question isnt why buy the 635, the question is why wouldnt you?
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July 3, 2010 2:47:49 PM

im not talking about a dual vs quad, im talking about the 4th core. so a triple vs quad core cpu.
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July 3, 2010 2:52:41 PM

thats fair, but i thought u were saying go with the 555 over the 635. and actually, for some reason i believe the 440 can unlock into a quad core, and be labeled as a 940. so as far as price to performance goes, the 440 or 635 is definitely the way to go.
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a c 105 à CPUs
July 3, 2010 3:19:12 PM

the 440 can be unlocked and they get labeled as a phenom x4.
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July 3, 2010 3:25:09 PM

yes, i knew that, but does it get L3 cache?
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a c 105 à CPUs
July 3, 2010 3:30:55 PM

a few do (or claimed to have) most just get the Phenom label and no L3 cache. even if the core is unlocked it may not be stable.
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July 3, 2010 3:37:51 PM

right, so if its no l3 cache, then arent u just getting a 640 more or less? a possibly unstable 640? not that unlocking is mandatory, but if you are going to try to unlock it, IMO, you might as well just shell out the extra 15 bucks for the real thing, but both are amazing bang for buck deals
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