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July 4, 2010 3:49:35 PM

OK, I have had the same case for awhile, and there is nothing wrong with it, but I just wan't something alittle more modern. Not to mention I need more air flow. This is my current case.

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/searchtools/ite...

I drilled a hole in the top for an 80MM fan, and that helps. But there is a 1/16" gap between the Video card and the HD tray, so virtually all the air from the front intake goes straight to the card, so the top os the case gets nothing. Plus the HDDs are un-vented.

I was looking seriously at this one:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The only problem is, it wen't on sale ($20 shipped), and sold out the same day before I could order one.

I also like these:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

What I am looking for is a 120MM fan on the front and back, with the HDDs cooled by the front input (like the Vortex 3620). It needs to accomodate a GTX 260 (10.5" card). I also really wan't the behind the board cable management. I don't like the cases with the door you have to open to get to your ODDs, but something like the GMC X-7 has is fine, or even something like the Vostro 220 case. The PSU needs to be top mount. Don't care about color. I like the sde intake on the INWIN Griffin, but I doubt its effectivness. I also have a Hyper TX3 cooler, so the side intake fan duct will have to be removed. Fron USB ports are preferable, as are mic/audio. If it has a 1366, or eSATA I would hook it up, but I doubt I would use them. And I'm trying to stay around $50.

Thanks in advance.

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July 4, 2010 6:39:24 PM

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Why does the psu need to be top mount??

Seriously, those are some of the ugliest cases I've ever seen. Do you want something modern and stylish or something that looks cheap and alienish?


I wan't the top mount, because the bottom mount was developed for LCS systems (so the radiators could be on top). If the PSU is on the bottom it inducts directly from ouside meaning 1, the case needs tall feet, and 2 massive amounts of dust can get in the power supply (fire hazard).

As for the looks of the cases, all I'll say is each to his own. Asthetically, I lean toward the 3620, but there is no CM system. Second on asthetics is the Griffin (though I will put some steel accents on to it, and maybe some crimson for the vents, but probably just the steel. The others were purely functional choices, lke the fans nside the tuniq.


Also to ksampanna, the 3620 is one of my links, and the Blackbone is virtually identical. I would bet even the case doors would interchange.
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July 4, 2010 10:42:54 PM

I agree with Zipzoomflyhigh about the Antec 300 w/430w psu (don't know about the PSU though) , its a good case with 1 X 120 mm exaust Fan and one top 140MM fan for good air flow: $65 after rebate
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

The antec 300 Illusion comes additionally with the 2X optional 120mm intake fans: $60 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I have this one and I am very pleased with it: Cooler Master Elite 335. It comes with one 120mm exhaust fan and there is room for an optional 120mm intake fan (which is recommended to install): $49
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also heard good things about the Cooler Master 690
Here are two different models both for ~$70

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



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July 4, 2010 10:55:14 PM

I like the CM 690. Especially the fan mount for the back of the motherboard. My only direct issue is the PSU on the bottom. I mean yeah it isolates the PSU cooling, but it also introduces alot of dust, and the radiant heat from the back of the PSU would be right on the graphics card. Plus I would have to buy more fans to put on the top of the case.

At this point I'm really leaning toward the Griffin. The case panel opens on both sides, and there are loops for zip ties behing the motherboard tray. I wish the rear fan were a 120, instead of a 90, but you can't have everything. Then again I do have a good tool set... I just worry about that 220 clearing my TX3.
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July 4, 2010 11:26:11 PM

What about the CM 335 I mentioned? it has a top mounted PSU?
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You could probably also mount an 80mm side fan in place of the CPU funnel/chimney thing.

I only have 1 intake and 1 exhaust on my CM 335 and my HD 5770 idles at 35'C-38'C and with loads is at about 60'C and under usually (maximum is into the mid or upper 60's).

I also just saw this one. It also has a top mounted PSU, but I don't know much about it: CM Centurion 534 (comes w/ one 120mm exhaust and one 120mm side fan and looks like there is room for an optional intake fan)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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July 5, 2010 1:39:54 AM

Sorry, I missed the 335 hyperlink. Yeah, I like that one too. Alittle plain, but I like the features. I'll put it on the probably list with the 3620, and the Griffin.

The Centurion looks similar, but the orientation of the HDD cage makes the front input a mute point.

Yeah, but thanks for the 335 suggestion. I had been looking at about 12, and to be down to 3 is good.
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July 5, 2010 6:27:19 AM

azconnie said:
Sorry, I missed the 335 hyperlink. Yeah, I like that one too. Alittle plain, but I like the features. I'll put it on the probably list with the 3620, and the Griffin.

The Centurion looks similar, but the orientation of the HDD cage makes the front input a mute point.

Yeah, but thanks for the 335 suggestion. I had been looking at about 12, and to be down to 3 is good.


My brother has the Antec 300 Illusion with 4 fans and he gets the same or higher temps then me on his Sapphire 5770 compared to my Cooler Master Elite 335 with only two fans.

Glad I could help!
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a c 261 ) Power supply
July 5, 2010 7:37:36 AM

Antec 300 Illusion would be my choice but it has a bottom mounted PSU.

Honestly the bottom mounting does not increase dust in the PSU at least not in my Antec 1200. And you are worried about radiant heat from the PSU? My Corsair 750TX does not feel the least bit warm above it and actually the PSU fan should help decrease GPU heat if anything. Also making the PSU fan part of your cases active cooling puts extra stress on it. You really do not want to pass extra hot air through the PSU if you can help it. There is a reason high end cases come with bottom mounted power supplies .........it works better.
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July 5, 2010 7:12:55 PM

Maybe my 750 is alittle off. The ambient temp in the case is maybe 80*F, but I can about toast marshmellows on the PSU exhaust, and I know alot of that comes from the PSU, because the 80MM on top blows pretty cool air, as dose the GPU exhaust (unless gaming). Maybe I should look into that.

Maybe the whole back and forth on PSU dust wold be helped by telling ya'll I have 3 cats, and keeping dust out of the high voltage parts is hard enough already. My intakes are filtered adequitly, but my case weighs 40 Lbs loaded, and a bottom mount would mean moving the thing to clean under it. Not to mention having to dis, and re-connect all the outside wires.

I just wan't the top mount. It makes sense to me, and the bottom mount has some obvious problems. Besides, I take the computer into the living room, or to a freinds house some times, and it sits on the floor there.

And yes, PSUs blow air. But don't they have to suck air in to blow it out? Or are they just magical?

So anyway. I'm down to the CM 335, the 3620, or the Griffin. I looked closer at the 3620, and I think the back panel comes off too. Ya'll look at it and tell me if those are screws on the left too, or if I'm seeing things.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


One more question, faune dose the 335 have a gap to tuck away cables behind the moterboard or not? I have mine piled into an extra ODD slot right now, and if I'm gonna buy a cese I wan't a real cable mangement solution.
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a c 261 ) Power supply
July 5, 2010 8:18:05 PM

I think you are confused as to where a bottom mount PSU pulls in air. It does not pull air from under the case it is mounted with the fan facing up.....the fan points at the graphics card. It still pulls air from inside the case but from the cooler air at the bottom not the hot air that rises to the top. ;) 
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July 5, 2010 8:51:14 PM

azconnie said:
One more question, faune dose the 335 have a gap to tuck away cables behind the moterboard or not? I have mine piled into an extra ODD slot right now, and if I'm gonna buy a cese I wan't a real cable mangement solution.


Here are pictures from both sides of my 335 case:

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Hope this helps.
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July 5, 2010 8:51:37 PM

anort3 said:
I think you are confused as to where a bottom mount PSU pulls in air. It does not pull air from under the case it is mounted with the fan facing up.....the fan points at the graphics card. It still pulls air from inside the case but from the cooler air at the bottom not the hot air that rises to the top. ;) 


This article seems to indicate it draews from outside.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/System-Builder-Mara...

And to faune, yeah that helps. If the back comes off I could zip tie the extra cables to the back of the HDD cage pretty easy. Id prefer to put them behing the mobo though, since my PSU is non modular and the purpose of the new case is flow.

Good looking build BTW, looks like it has nice flow. Hadn't thought about wrapping my SATA cables like that. Mine are way too long.
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a c 91 ) Power supply
July 5, 2010 9:03:33 PM

Well the PSU can be connected either way.. The usual approach is to keep the fan facing outwards.. That's the reason manufacturers employ vent in the casing for the PSU to draw in air from the underside of the case.. However, that might draw in dust as well (most manufacturers do not employ dust filters there) and thus, few practice to keep the fan facing inwards..
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July 5, 2010 9:05:16 PM

How can it be done either way? The mounting holes for an ATX power supply are a-symmetrical.
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July 5, 2010 9:07:30 PM

azconnie said:
This article seems to indicate it draews from outside.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/System-Builder-Mara...

And to faune, yeah that helps. If the back comes off I could zip tie the extra cables to the back of the HDD cage pretty easy. Id prefer to put them behing the mobo though, since my PSU is non modular and the purpose of the new case is flow.

Good looking build BTW, looks like it has nice flow. Hadn't thought about wrapping my SATA cables like that. Mine are way too long.


Thanks :) 

I am satisfied with the airflow in my case. My GPU idles at 33'c-38'c, with loads usually not passing 60'c and my CPU idles at 27'c-33'c and loads doesn't break 49'C... all with only 2X 120mm fans none of those after market coolers and liquid cooling, everything at stock. Plus my ambient (room) temps are hot. This weeks in the mid 30's C so in my house its in the high 20's C .
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July 5, 2010 9:11:22 PM

Wow, I definatly have a flow problem. I have a CM XT3 (3 heat pipes) and my ambient is 25C and the CPU is @ 48C rite now (Q9450 @ 1.15 Vcore.)

Definatly time for a new case.
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July 5, 2010 9:17:29 PM

azconnie said:
Wow, I definatly have a flow problem. I have a CM XT3 (3 heat pipes) and my ambient is 25C and the CPU is @ 48C rite now (Q9450 @ 1.15 Vcore.)

Definatly time for a new case.


judging from the picture in the link of the case you currently have I'd say that a new case would definitely help things. It seems that the "Diablotek" is called the Diablotek for a reason. It must be as hot as hell in there :lol: 

It has almost no ventilation except at the back.
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July 6, 2010 3:00:49 AM

anort3 said:
Antec 300 the case I recommended.

http://www.antec.com/pdf/manuals/300_EN%20manual.pdf

PSU fan faces up.


OK. All the ones I saw had the PSU mounted the other way. I quess its just a question of specific model.

I think I'm sold on the 3620 though. Turns out it has cable mangemant.
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July 6, 2010 1:01:52 PM

OK, I kinda like the Antec 300 now. It would take time to get used to the PSU on the bottom, and my Corsair logo would be upside down. I decided to drop the INWIN Griffin. I like the case, but the black on black is out of stock, and the yellow is ugly. The Antec 300, and the CM 335 are about even. The key difference for me is the bottom PSU seems backward to me, but if it inducts from inside I guess it'll be OK, and it dose add more places for fans, compared to the 335. But, for $10 more I could have 2 extra USP ports, and not have to buy the extra fans to go with the new case, plus a behind the board cable management system.

WHY DO SO MANY COMPANIES HAVE TO EXCELL?!

I'll try to decide by this weekend. Great suggestions all around, and zipzoomflyhigh, anort3, I know I aggravated ya'll, but you did teach me something. Thanks all around. faune, nice build.
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July 6, 2010 4:41:58 PM

azconnie said:
OK, I kinda like the Antec 300 now. It would take time to get used to the PSU on the bottom, and my Corsair logo would be upside down. I decided to drop the INWIN Griffin. I like the case, but the black on black is out of stock, and the yellow is ugly. The Antec 300, and the CM 335 are about even. The key difference for me is the bottom PSU seems backward to me, but if it inducts from inside I guess it'll be OK, and it dose add more places for fans, compared to the 335. But, for $10 more I could have 2 extra USP ports, and not have to buy the extra fans to go with the new case, plus a behind the board cable management system.

WHY DO SO MANY COMPANIES HAVE TO EXCELL?!

I'll try to decide by this weekend. Great suggestions all around, and zipzoomflyhigh, anort3, I know I aggravated ya'll, but you did teach me something. Thanks all around. faune, nice build.



Like I said there is the Antec 300 Illusion which comes with 4 fans (the rear and top exhausts which are standard as well as the two "optional 120mm intakes" ) but has the bottom mounted PSU, which I don't think is a problem, but you said you preferred the top mount : $60

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


My brother and I have roughly similar build, he got the Antec 300 Illusion and I got the Cooler Master Elite 335. He has 4 fans and a bottom mounted PSU (once again this is not a problem, I just know that you (the OP) prefer the top mount...) and I have 2 120mm fans and a top mounted PSU. We both get around the same temps, although mine are slightly lower, despite the fact that I live in a hotter climate. But that could be due to the fact that he has an ATX mother board (I have a Micro ATX), a better processor, bigger PSU and did not utilize the cable management (he got lazy) :??:  .

I wanted the Antec 300 myself, but, when I went to the store they were out of Antec 300's AND 200's and they had the CM 335 for $45 so I got it. As I have said I am very happy with my CM 335.

Here are some differences between the two:

-The Cooler Master (19.13" x 7.28" x 16.26" ) is slightly longer and the Antec (18.30" x 8.10" x 18.00") is slightly taller and wider.

-The Antec 300 ILLUSION comes with 4 fans and has room for an optional side mounted fan. The CM comes with one 120mm exhaust fan and has room for optional 120mm intake and 80mm side mounted fan.

-CM has 4 external 5.25" external bays and the Antec has 3.

-CM has 2 external 3.5" external bays (1 panel that comes with the comp with audio & mic inputs, 2 usb ports and optional 1394 and I added a card reader) Antec has none.

-CM has two side air ducts, one for GPU and one for the CPU. Antec has one side air duct and one Top duct with fan.

-Both have washable filters but the Antec's look easier to clean.

-Antec case is slightly heavier @ 15.9 lbs while CM is 13.2 lbs.

Either one will be a good choice. Let us know which one you decide to get in the end good luck!


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a c 261 ) Power supply
July 6, 2010 5:56:07 PM

As was ( sort of ) stated above get the 300 Illusion if that is an option for you. The vanilla 300 only comes with 1 x 120mm back and 1 x 140mm top exhaust fans. The 300 Illusion adds 2 x 120mm intake fans for roughly the same price. Good 120mm fans cost roughly $12 to $15 each. All the fans are 3 speed and nearly silent on low while still moving quite a bit of air.
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July 6, 2010 7:01:02 PM

anort3 said:
As was ( sort of ) stated above get the 300 Illusion if that is an option for you. The vanilla 300 only comes with 1 x 120mm back and 1 x 140mm top exhaust fans. The 300 Illusion adds 2 x 120mm intake fans for roughly the same price. Good 120mm fans cost roughly $12 to $15 each. All the fans are 3 speed and nearly silent on low while still moving quite a bit of air.


That is basically what I was saying. BUT if the OP is fixated on top mounted and does decided to go with the CM Elite 335 or something similar here is a good 120mm Fan to stick in the case:


Both of these are 90 CFM / 19 dBa fans:

Cooler Master R4-L2R-20CR-GP 120mm Red LED Case Fan: $9.67
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

COOLER MASTER R4-L2R-20CG-GP 120mm Green LED Case Fan: $9.99
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



For some reason the COOLER MASTER R4-L2R-20AC-GP 120mm Blue LED Case Fan on new egg is not as powerful 69 CFM & 19 dBa
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...



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