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April 27, 2010 6:37:01 PM

Hey, some days ago i posted a previous thread "Upgrading my Computer" where i got the conclusion that i were to just get a whole new computer so this time im going to build my first pc and not buy a pc like my previous one...the other thread is dead now and the title i guess is wrong now lol.

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: I'll be likely collecting parts once ive done my exams which end at the start of june..

BUDGET RANGE: i know of rebates but don't really know how to carry them out. My budget therefore be hovering about£1,250 ($1900) before rebates.

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Want to watch 1080p movies... , i tend to be a person who has lots of internet tabs up at same two about 15-20. I have Dual monitors but my old one is about 6 years old so not really looking to game on at that too. And ive only recently heard about Folding@Home which sounds interesting.. ( also tend to download bittorrents)

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitors, keyboard, mouse(not sure if a high quality gaming one is really needed) , I have a headset but i tend to not bother with it and just use lousy monitor stock speakers.. So not sure what i want to od with that. And i don't know if getting windows 7 is going to be a problem for me. I also have a Blu Ray drive so im not looking to buy a drive.

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: I Don't mind.. wherever it is UK and is cheapest ;D

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Scotland

PARTS PREFERENCES:

CPU : I think i7 920 or 930 or i5 750 if it's really recommended i set for lower but i heard a problem about bandwidth of the 1156 mobos ect and don't think it'd sut a 5970.

Mobo : Whatever is decent and ofcourse is compatible with rest of my build.

Ram : 6Gb tri-way with whatever frequency is at the most noticebly in games. My general thought was 1600Mhz

Graphics Card : Im thinking of an HD5970 :) 

Hsf : Something which will let me overclock the cpu to about 4Ghz stable. Possibly http://www.lambda-tek.com/componentshop/index.pl?origin... ?

Case : Haff 922 or Haff 932 unless there is something better but i like the looks of it and it's supposed to be one of the best cases there is.

Hardrive : I already have a 1tb harddrive but ive been recommended to buy a new one which operates faster.

PSU : Anything which is good quality and that will keep this build stable and with headroom for ever there was the need to upgrade i doubt so though

OVERCLOCKING: Yes i will be seeing as ill be getting an 920 or 930 or i5 750 if it was really recommended i go for that cpu.

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: I doubt ill need to for 3 or 4 years and even then i'd probably just buy a new card.

MONITOR RESOLUTION: My new main monitor is 1920x1080 whereas my old monitor is a standard 1280x1024.

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This will be my first build and im wanting to get a decent spacious case so i can upgrade on things in the future if i want , planning to keep ofr many years. Also so it'll be as easy for me as it can for me to build it in first place xD. I also don't see the appeal of getting the new AMD hexacores also since i don't have any productivity uses so far, and even then an i7 does perfect it seems in reviews. Also don't know if this si too much of a luxury but i'd like it to be averagely quiet...

Anyones feedback on this would be awesome, Thank you :) 




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April 27, 2010 6:39:16 PM

Check the prices on Ebuyer.com (it's the only site over there I know of). If this is too expensive, switch the board to an Asus P6X58D-E. If it's still too expensive, change it to the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R. If that's STILL too expensive, drop the HDD down to the 500 GB model.

CPU/Mobo: i7-930 and Asus P6X58D Premium $585
RAM: G.Skill Pi 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $190
GPU: HD 5970 $700
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $80
PSU: OCZ Z Series 850W 80+ Gold $190 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $80 after rebate
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $35 (with free card reader)

Total: $1,860
April 27, 2010 6:50:31 PM

Is it really worth paying extra money for the 930 from the 920 by the way?
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April 27, 2010 6:52:34 PM

It's only a few bucks, and the i7-930 is just plain newer. It overclocks better and runs a bit more efficiently.
April 27, 2010 8:16:37 PM

How loud do you think this system will be? idle and at high and is there anything i can do to help it if its louder than i would want?
April 27, 2010 8:26:35 PM

To be honest, I have no idea. I've heard the HAF is pretty quiet, but since I don't own one, I can't really attest to that.

About all you can do to make it quieter is run the fans at their lower settings, don't overclock anything, and ensure proper airflow to and from the case. Outside of that, there isn't much you can do.
April 27, 2010 9:38:01 PM

is there any brand you recommend for the 5970 by the way? Sapphire overclocks a bit while MSI does that military components thing i think... And i just had a thought rack my head there.. should i stick with one 5970 or go for two 5870's or does that exceed my budget..?
April 27, 2010 9:42:37 PM

Whatever's in stock or whatever is cheapest. There is no difference between the brands other than perception right now.

Two 5870s is the same (technical) thing as the 5970, but will cost you an additional $100. The 5970 is two 5870 GPUs on a single card that have been downclocked.
April 27, 2010 9:53:17 PM

I just read one of the customer reviews on the RAM saying it was not meant for the mobo( the first choice asus premium one) or otherwise not compatible with but there was a manufacturer response saying sorry and offering technical response, i guess ill go for the one down from that though
April 27, 2010 10:00:53 PM

And the only RAM i can find similiar to that is at 2000Mhz but at no extra cost but is that speed ok yeah? its still G Skill manufactured :) 
April 27, 2010 10:18:38 PM

Im also unsure whether the motherboard and the hd5790 will fit in it since the graphics card is said to be about 11-12 inches long..?
April 27, 2010 10:31:02 PM

if your talking about haf then yeah it will fit
April 27, 2010 10:33:03 PM

a1an said:
Im also unsure whether the motherboard and the hd5790 will fit in it since the graphics card is said to be about 11-12 inches long..?


Read the reviews on the case you plan on getting to see if it's able to fit very large cards graphics cards, chances are you will run across a review or two with a similar sized card.

If you plan on getting the case that MadAdmiral suggested than I don't think there will be any issues.

April 27, 2010 10:48:02 PM

Will the cpu fan also be able to keep my cpu stable at about 4ghz or more or do i need to spend more money on another one? and ok i think ill just go with haff 922 instead of 932 then.
April 27, 2010 10:49:18 PM

@amk09 - Why in the world did you copy jennyh's avatar? I thought she was beginning to spread her "knowledge" to the Homebuilt Systems section of the forums for a second. :lol: 
April 28, 2010 12:30:23 AM

On the RAM, I don't trust user reviews for RAM at all. Most of the "problems" they report can be fixed by manually setting the specs in the BIOS instead of leaving it on Auto. A few seconds will fix any "compatibility" problems.
April 28, 2010 12:36:06 AM

$490 MoBo / CPU:

P6X58D-E w/ i7-930 ..... save $100 over the dual LAN version
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Case PSU:

HAF 932 w/ Corsair HX850 $310 - $340
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

or

Antec 1200 w/ CP-850 $230
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

For comparison purposes , the list below contains performance ratings (10 scale) at jonnyguru.com / prices as per newegg on 02/21/2010 and ones w/ double asterisks (**) made it onto silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List meaning they excelled at both electronic and acoustic performance:


Antec SG-850 - 10.0 ($220) **
Antec CP-850 - 10.0 ($110) **
XFX 850W Black Edition 10.0 ($185)
Corsair HX850 850W - 10.0 ($180)

Antec TruePower Quattro (TPQ-850) - 9.5 ($150)
Corsair TX850 - 9.5 ($140)
Seasonic M12D 850W - 9.5 (NLA) **
NorthQ Giant Connector 850W - 9.5 (NFS)
Etasis ET850 - 9.5 (NLA)
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF - 9.5 (NLA)

Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W - 9.0 ($250)

Thrmaltake Toughpower XT 850W - 8.5 ($216)
OCZ Z Series 850W - 8.5 ($200)

NorthQ Black Magic Flex 850W - 8.0 (NFS)
Coolmax CTG-850 - 8.0 (NFS)

SilverStone Decathlon DA850 - 7.5 ($230)
Enermax Galaxy DXX 850W EGX850EWL - 7.5 (NFS)

SilverStone Strider ST85F - 7.0

Silverstone Element ST85EF 850W - 6.0


NFS - Not For Sale / NLA = No Longer Available

RAM:

Look for low profile DDR3-1600 lowest CAS that fits ya budget (be careful of high heat spreaders which can interfere with large CPU Heat Sinks)

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-core-i7,2582-4...

Corsairs @ $200 are $10 more but are low profile and have slightly better timings than the cheapest modules ($190)http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Hard Drives:

Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

Heat Sink - Read this:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

At the upper price range ....

When a heatsink costs $65, it had better be real good... and thankfully the ProlimaTech Megahalems is. Cooling to a temperature of only 24.29°C over ambient, the Megahalems has only one competitor with close reach: the $70 Thermalright Venomous-X heatsink with 24.47°C. Both heatsinks come with polished base and outstanding bolt-through mounting system, and neither forces you to use an under-powered stock fan, so take your pick!

At the budget range:

Proving (to me, at least) that our Benchmark Reviews Editors Choice Award was hard-earned, the Scythe Mugen-2 produces 26.03°C at the entry-level price of $35. If you're not after any overclocking records, and you don't mind the giant hassle for installation, this could easily be the best value of the bunch. The equally-large Cogage Arrow delivers a similar 26.53°C. Titan's FINRIR cooler produces 27.92°C, which nearly identical to the Zalman CNPS10X-Performa, Coolink Corator-DS, and Cogage TRUE Spirit.

Quote:
should i stick with one 5970 or go for two 5870's or does that exceed my budget..?


GFX:

You seem to have ya heart set on a 5970, but I refuse to pay $100 or more over MSRP for any component. Other options would include:

Twin 470's would also cost $700
Twin 5850's would save ya the equivalent of $90-100 US
April 28, 2010 3:31:39 PM

Hmm well the total goes upto £1258 without possible shipping costs.. I haven't been able to get combo deals but..thats me going with the cheapest things available offered from both JackNaylorPE and MadAdmiral such as 500Gb 7200.12 hardrive and the gigabyte motherboard and the antec powersupply.. Btw what is MRSP?
April 28, 2010 3:32:59 PM

Manufacturers reccomended selling price? :) 
April 28, 2010 3:39:02 PM

Oops i got mixed up lol with what guy said before the S is before so its MSRP and not "MRSP"
April 28, 2010 4:19:49 PM

Not sure if its worth it spending the extra £50 on the ASUS P6X58D Premium...?
April 28, 2010 4:32:07 PM

Found this RAM which was at pc world business for 2gbs ddr3 2000mhz each costing £45 , i could buy 3 of them and put thm in or is it not as good as a package of 6.. also not sure if 2000mhz is compatible with motherboard only says compatible with ram at that speed if its (OC) http://www.pcwb.co.uk/catalogue/item/V0015651?cidp=Froo...
April 28, 2010 6:29:03 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
@amk09 - Why in the world did you copy jennyh's avatar? I thought she was beginning to spread her "knowledge" to the Homebuilt Systems section of the forums for a second. :lol: 



I guess it was just a coincidence, I googled "amd intel" and that was one the first things that came up. Oops :D