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Which sockets do you personally consider dead?

Total: 56 votes (6 blank votes)

  • LGA1366
  • 4 %
  • LGA1156
  • 4 %
  • LGA775
  • 16 %
  • 478
  • 24 %
  • AM3
  • 2 %
  • AM2+
  • 7 %
  • AM2
  • 16 %
  • 939
  • 23 %
  • I consider some older sockets to be "not dead"
  • 2 %
  • No socket is ever dead
  • 5 %
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July 7, 2010 8:57:10 PM

I would like a discussion on the term "dead" when referring to CPU sockets.

Come up with a definition of the term "dead socket". Do not include examples or even mention current processors. Let's keep this thread neutral. Also, I am only including desktop sockets, no exclusive server sockets will be used.

Also, please vote for which sockets you believe to be dead. You may vote for multiple.

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July 7, 2010 9:38:36 PM

I voted on Socket 478, 775, and 939. With the cost of the CPU's become more than a new CPU and motherboard, then I considered dead. Socket 775 is almost to that point, but it really depends on your motherboard. My motherboard uses a 945 chipset, so I can't find a new CPU for it. For the cost of the ones I could use in it, I'm better off building an AM3 system.
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July 7, 2010 10:00:21 PM

2 me dead means

will not be noticeably logicly upgradable than the most powerfull chip currently available for the platform in 1 year time



example, i7 880 will most likely b the most powerfull 1156 cpu you will be able to purchace 1 year from now, at its pricepoint, what reason does someone have to not buy an equivalent 1366 platform instead...1156 replaced 775 in midrange, when 1155 comes out and takes its place it will either be 1155 or 1366 unless 1156 cost plumits or intel purposefully holds back 1155 from its full potential

im not sure i xplained that the way it is in my head, but u get the drift
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a c 172 à CPUs
July 7, 2010 10:13:20 PM

To me, "dead" means "reached the end of useful life". There is still plenty of useful life in LGA775.
a c 131 à CPUs
July 7, 2010 10:24:12 PM

I'm curious as to who voted socket AM3 as dead. If they see this, please run me through your thinking. If not, anyone else feel free to give a reason for AM3 to be dead.

xaira, I'm curious to know why, by your definition, you don't think socket 1366 is dead?

Some good ideas and answers to far! Keep it up :p 
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July 7, 2010 10:37:56 PM

I always thought the term 'dead' referred to the fact that no more CPUs based on a newer architecture will be available for that platform. This is why I think all are dead, except AM3, because LGA 1366 has the i7 970X left (similarly based on the i7 980X, the LGA 1156 some other Core i5s and i7 800s) and sockets 478, 754, 939, 940, AM2, AM2+ are obsolete. The only one which is not obsolete is AM3, because I'm pretty sure the first versions of Bulldozer are going to use AM3 before AM3r2.
July 7, 2010 10:39:48 PM

Hi
To me a dead socket means when no new model will be launched for it. even if, some already in the market, models are being produced and sold, i will still call it dead. so i vote for

LGA775
478
AM2+
AM2
939

the reason I call am2 and am2+ dead is because am3 is there now. and any new model will mostly be compatible with am3 only or most optimised for am3. well cant say much about amd as its been a long time since i have owned an amd and have not been following it since.
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July 8, 2010 12:11:45 AM

To me dead means that the socket has either been discontinued for a period of time exceeding 1 year, can no longer accept upgrades, nor has any new cpus coming out on it, is not backwards or forwards compatible, and the price of said cpu is greater than an equivalent or greater cpu. this, for me, makes 775 dead, 478 rotting, 939 decomposing, and am2 dead. am2+ will likely be dead for me when BD comes out, if BD cant be used on am2+.
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July 8, 2010 12:12:38 AM

1156 is partially dead, but not if you have anything below the i5 750, IMO, that still gives you upgrade room.
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July 8, 2010 12:27:08 AM

AM3 is dead (other than rumors of Bulldozer working on it.. only rumors).

Bulldozer will be using a quad channel memory interface while current AM3 socket boards only offer dual channel.

It may be on socket AM3, but even if it is.. who's going to run Bulldozer in such a crippled state? No me.
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July 8, 2010 12:39:32 AM

am3 is the least dead of all of them, atleast it has a future, crippled or not.
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July 8, 2010 1:06:22 AM

AM3 is the only one I voted as not dead. It's rumored Bulldozer products will be back ward compatible, so it has some future to it.

Socket AM2+ is pointless with AM3 around, and little to no hope of it supporting anything better than Thuban, and a handful of AM2+ boards don't support Thuban. 2/3 of my AM2+ boards don't support C3 Deneb or Thuban as they haven't had a BIOS released in nearly a year now.

Socket 1156/1366 are great products now, but it's already announced Sandy Bridge won't be compatible, so beyond higher clocks nothing is expected for these.

Socket 775 has horrible price/performance in all but the extreme low end, and there AM3 topples it. It may still have a few new processors coming out, but they've just been clock speed bumps. There is no new architecture or anything significant coming.

The other sockets, well we already know those are dead. You should have mentioned socket 754 while you were making this poll though.

And to me, dead doesn't mean it's a useless platform, but when the company has basically chosen to quit designing new products for it.
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July 8, 2010 1:46:10 AM

ElMoIsEviL said:
AM3 is dead (other than rumors of Bulldozer working on it.. only rumors).

Bulldozer will be using a quad channel memory interface while current AM3 socket boards only offer dual channel.

It may be on socket AM3, but even if it is.. who's going to run Bulldozer in such a crippled state? No me.


why would you think only having dual channel makes it dead, LGA1366 processors can be run on dual channel (instead of triple), and i wouldn't put AM2 or AM2+ dead until BD arrives if it can't physically run on those sockets (ie no DDR2 support)
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July 8, 2010 1:47:14 AM

ElMoIsEviL said:
Bulldozer will be using a quad channel memory interface while current AM3 socket boards only offer dual channel.

But Bulldozer is for servers... But if you are talking about the desktop variant, Zambezi, I have heard the same rumours, but seen no evidence as such.
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July 8, 2010 1:50:51 AM

enzo matrix said:
But Bulldozer is for servers... But if you are talking about the desktop variant, Zambezi, I have heard the same rumours, but seen no evidence as such.


no, Bulldozer is the general term for that architecture, Interlagos for servers and Zambezi for mainstream (desktop), and the roadmap looks like AM3r2 which is really just AM3+ which should be compatible with AM3 and more than likely not AM2/AM2+
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July 8, 2010 1:52:06 AM

loneninja said:
You should have mentioned socket 754 while you were making this poll though.

:p  As much as I love being told how to run my polls...
But yeah, I did have it originally, but instead I decided to include it with "older sockets". I figured going back to 939 was old enough. If I could have more than 10 poll options, I totally would have gone back to socket 1 and included server sockets.
July 8, 2010 2:03:45 AM

i personally consider 478 dead. It is becoming extinct
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July 8, 2010 2:31:53 AM

478 is beyond dead, its so dead it is being recycled in the circle of life to make a new socket by now.
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July 8, 2010 3:22:41 AM

the people who believe that 1366 is dead, i must say i thought out of all the sockets thatd be the last voted for but 1366 is more obsolete than am3....lol

i believe that 1366 is not obsolete because socket 2011 which is to replace 1366 is not due until Q3 next year, and if and what a big if, bulldozer can dethrone the 980X (YOU SAW BRAZIL GO HOME) then intel WILL pack 8 cores into socket 1366, thus an upgrade path....
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July 8, 2010 3:35:29 AM

I consider a socket 'dead' when it is no longer advisable to do a new build off of it, LGA 775 is sitting on that line right now, but it will fall into dead once CPU availability drops off. The only ones i didnt mark dead with LGA 1366, 1156, AM2+ and AM3, AM2+ still has value in low cost builds, but once new AMD CPUs stop being supported by AM2+ boards then it will be dead. I dont see how any of the ones that currently have CPUs being released for them now can be dead, LGA 1156 isnt dead for people who start with an i3, they still have plenty of upgrade options for a year or two.
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July 8, 2010 7:17:58 AM

I consider a socket dead when the smoke has left the chip in a melted pool of plastic and metal,
Chips may be obsolete a few months after launch cause a better shinier one has been released, but I and plenty of other people still have a P4 system running in the household, the architecture may have been surpassed by far by newer faster chips, but when you hit the power button and it boots, I call that a live one
I also Ride a 1983 Vf750 chop, also well past their heyday, but a damn nice ride.
:p 
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July 8, 2010 8:40:12 AM

Everyone knows that the 478 and 939 sockets are dead.
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July 8, 2010 7:23:54 PM

478,775,939,AM2,AM2+...

I would use none of these for a new build!

AM3, 1156, 1366 are the current years sockets to build new with!

But Skt775 and AM2+ still have life left in them for upgrades or for pass me on/second systems as they are perfectly serviceable!
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July 8, 2010 7:32:19 PM

To me dead means that there's
A) No more new chips being developed for the socket
B) No further support for it (updates)
C) No CPUs that support it available commercially
D) No more new mobo's with supporting chipsets

In this reasoning 1155, 1366, AM2+, AM3 are all fine and dandy.
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July 9, 2010 7:04:11 PM

mindless728 said:
why would you think only having dual channel makes it dead, LGA1366 processors can be run on dual channel (instead of triple), and i wouldn't put AM2 or AM2+ dead until BD arrives if it can't physically run on those sockets (ie no DDR2 support)


Because Rumors do not equal compatibility. That simple.

Here's a rumor...

Intel's next Generation CPUs will work on socket 1366.

Oh and I heard that pigs fly as well.

Confirm or Deny.

To use a rumor, as a basis for a positive claim about a product, is, in my opinion, absurd.
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July 9, 2010 7:22:11 PM

ElMoIsEviL said:
Because Rumors do not equal compatibility. That simple.


Looking at AMD's track record, I would be surprised of Bulldozer wasn't backwards compatible with AM3. Sure you don't get quad channel memory, but triple channel memory is useless for 95%+ of desktop uses, let alone quad channel.

Then again, if Bulldozer is a monster performer and it needs an entirely new socket, I won't complain.
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July 9, 2010 7:27:27 PM

AMW1011 said:
Looking at AMD's track record, I would be surprised of Bulldozer wasn't backwards compatible with AM3. Sure you don't get quad channel memory, but triple channel memory is useless for 95%+ of desktop uses, let alone quad channel.

Then again, if Bulldozer is a monster performer and it needs an entirely new socket, I won't complain.


You can get some information by looking at patterns. But, when you think about it, only a handful of Socket AM2 boards functioned with AM2+ (or was it AM2+ working with AM3... I don't recall exactly).

There were many issues, there were BIOS updates not being released from several manufacturer's and there were issues with Power delivery not being optimal enough to allow for an upgrade.

I'm thinking that Bulldozer is going to be hella power hungry (the first iteration at least until a die shrink).

I'm also thinking that it will be a monster performer. And with the new near 2 full cores per core (duplication of many core components) ought to bring up the demand for memory bandwidth.

Bulldozer is quite the enigma at this point.
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July 9, 2010 7:35:14 PM

ElMoIsEviL said:
You can get some information by looking at patterns. But, when you think about it, only a handful of Socket AM2 boards functioned with AM2+ (or was it AM2+ working with AM3... I don't recall exactly).

There were many issues, there were BIOS updates not being released from several manufacturer's and there were issues with Power delivery not being optimal enough to allow for an upgrade.

I'm thinking that Bulldozer is going to be hella power hungry (the first iteration at least until a die shrink).

I'm also thinking that it will be a monster performer. And with the new near 2 full cores per core (duplication of many core components) ought to bring up the demand for memory bandwidth.

Bulldozer is quite the enigma at this point.


Well that is certainly true, those with cheaper AM2 board got screwed when AM2+ chips came out. And I am also expecting a very power hungry chip.

Again if they can pull out the performance and it overclocks competitively, I'll completely ignore any change of socket or heavy power consumption. A 150w+ TPD CPU doesn't scare me to be honest. Not to mention AMD's TPD's tend to be a good bit more "honest" than Intel's, so they aren't as bad as it seems.
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July 9, 2010 7:41:09 PM

amd seems to have mastered 45 nm and tdp overall considering they got thuban at the same tdp as deneb. and considering it will be on 32 nm, then switch to 28 nm, or some combination of that, i doubt the tdp to be outrageous.
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July 9, 2010 7:54:09 PM

If AMD is being honest with themselves then they will know that they need a performance monster. I'm not saying that AMD can't tame the power consumption of their chips, I'm saying that they may forgo it to get as much performance out of Bulldozer as possible. This I feel is the right choice. Also Thuban was more or less and addition of 2 cores and some techniques for lowering power consumption. Bulldozer will be much more complex and different so it is hard to tell.

You may be right, though.
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July 9, 2010 8:33:25 PM

right, bull dozer is an entire new architecture, where as thuban was deneb+2 cores. and with any luck, amd wont have to make it run hot to get it to perform :D  but by the specs ive heard, its gonna be a monster, improved version of HT, to where its more like exact duplicates of cores, not just in the software, turbo boost of sorts, 28-32nm, tons of other things. i hope they dont let the performance crown get to their head (if they get it) and charge $1500+ for it if it outperforms the 980x. i dont know what i want more, intel to lose the performance crown, or bulldozer to lose by just a little bit so its priced normally.
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July 9, 2010 8:44:07 PM

I want Bulldozer to be take the crown and be priced like Intel's processors are now. A $200-$300 good budget CPU and some more expensive one to try and get more money for R&D.
July 9, 2010 8:49:26 PM

to me, dead means it cant run even windows xp at a fairly fast rate. so i selected 478 as the only dead one. why? because you cant get dualcores (all others, including 939, can), and the netburst arch sucks.
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July 9, 2010 8:51:01 PM

To me, a socket is "dead" when you cannot increase performance at a considerable rate by upgrading the CPU. For example, I voted for LGA 775, even though that is what I have, there really isn't a CPU out there that would increase the performance of my machine at a considerable rate. Sure, I would see some performance increases with a Q9550, etc..., but those increases would be marginal. Obviously, Intel has quit developing newer/better chips for the 775 socket, so chances are that 775 is on its way out, ever so slowly.
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July 9, 2010 9:16:56 PM

I consider a socket dead, when there are no new CPUs being sold.

I don't consider 775 dead, as Intel are still releasing 'new' Pentium based CPUs for it. Apparently 775 is the most used Intel socket at the moment worldwide, especially in developing markets. And I've read that the Pentium is still Intels best seller.

I do consider Socket A, 423, 478, 754 and 939 dead though. No new CPUs are being released for them bar the inventory being sold off. AM2 is dead too and AM2+ is having its life support switched off soon.

However, what I don't understand is why people think 1156 and 1366 are dead?!?!? There replacement hasn't even come out yet, so its far from dead. Intel will have a few more CPUs to come out yet possibly more low to mid end maybe. Once there are more low end 1156s too I'll consider 775 dead aswell.

July 10, 2010 1:26:21 AM

damn it cant think of anything useful to add to icraiq post, thats exactly what I had in mind, completely agree.
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July 10, 2010 4:26:19 AM

i like this thread, mostly because i inspired the OP to start it, but i really am likeing the opinions, keep em comming
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July 10, 2010 1:16:40 PM

icraig said:
I consider a socket dead, when there are no new CPUs being sold.

I don't consider 775 dead, as Intel are still releasing 'new' Pentium based CPUs for it. Apparently 775 is the most used Intel socket at the moment worldwide, especially in developing markets. And I've read that the Pentium is still Intels best seller.

I do consider Socket A, 423, 478, 754 and 939 dead though. No new CPUs are being released for them bar the inventory being sold off. AM2 is dead too and AM2+ is having its life support switched off soon.

However, what I don't understand is why people think 1156 and 1366 are dead?!?!? There replacement hasn't even come out yet, so its far from dead. Intel will have a few more CPUs to come out yet possibly more low to mid end maybe. Once there are more low end 1156s too I'll consider 775 dead aswell.


theres a difference between advancing and upgrading cpus, to rebranding and repackaging old 775s they have to get them out of their warehouse. by new, you probably mean a slight bump to the clock, a new number, and a new rice, just so they can get rid of them quicker. 775 is dead in that way. also, if you have any qxxx, or e6xx or more, it is very dead. there is nothing worth paying the money for above those. and even if there were, you could get a low level amd or intel current cpu that will give much more performance, at a lower price. 775 has not been upgraded lately, 775 will not be getting any new higher end cpus for an upgrade path, 775 mostly uses ddr2, and 775 is not a good option for new builders, or who are upgrading and already have a higher level one. therefore, it is dead. and saying pentium is still intels best seller is like me saying gone with the wind is the highest selling movie now, or the ford model t is the most popular car, given a long period of time, of course it will sell a lot. 1156 and 1366 arent dead yet. once 1155 is released in q1 2011, anything above a i5 750 on 1156 is a dead end. later in q3 i believe, 1365 is coming. this is more interesting, as it not only depends on what you use it for, but also the cpu you currently have. so, imo, if your primary use is gaming, if you have anything above a i7 930, the socket is dead to you. but if your primary use is video editing, anything above a 980x is dead to you, which is nothing :lol: 
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