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April 3, 2010 3:58:37 AM

So I built my computer in 07. I chose the best bang for the buck components of the day. Second to best if you will.

Anyways, I have the original conroe E6600, Asus 650i mobo, 2 gigs of super talent ram, 2x320gb HDD's in Raid 0, and an evga 8800GTS 640.

Its starting to show its age, my new game of choice is Bad Company 2. My frame rate isnt all that great. I get into the low 30's in some sections, but most of the time I get around 22-25. Its playable, but jerky. Ive been out of the loop hardware wise so Im not sure what new products are worth it and which are not worth the coin (like the pathetic 8600).

Anyways, I have been on ebay and my same evga card can be had for 60-70 bucks. Im wondering however if it would be worth buying a whole new card instead.

Do you think I would see a noticeable jump performance wise for what I have if I went SLI with that card? If not, what would you recommend in the 150-200 dollar price point? Preferably around 150, 200 is the absolute most I would spend.

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April 3, 2010 4:02:00 AM

The 5770 is a pretty good card for around that price range...
I won't say exactly, just giving you an idea since I don't know entirely what it's capable of.
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April 3, 2010 4:11:58 AM

Ati 5770 huh? Would this be considered a mid range or high end card? Is it apart of ATI's current gen line up?

Any others ideas guys?
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April 3, 2010 4:30:45 AM

sli 8800gts wold be bout as good as 5770 in most cases
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April 3, 2010 4:42:26 AM

You think so? Ive looked through the vga charts but cannot find a comparison between two of my cards vs a 5770..
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April 3, 2010 4:48:32 AM

for 60-70 bucks i rather spend the extra 70 bucks and get a 1gig 5770 less complications and more consistent results.

not too sure on 8800gts 640 sli vs 5770 but i assume they would result to be around the same in most situations.

if it was G92 gts's it be a bit harder call

And you can do is try to find a comparison of 2 8800gts's vs (260 or 4870) but even that may be hard.
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April 3, 2010 4:54:14 AM

Yeh, the 8800GTS 640s are G80s, and perform more equal to the 8800GTs rather than the GTS's.
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April 3, 2010 5:15:50 AM

But you lose out on DX11 support.

All you gain is power, noise, and heat.
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April 3, 2010 5:33:05 AM

rofl_my_waffle said:
But you lose out on DX11 support.

All you gain is power, noise, and heat.


Agreed
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April 3, 2010 6:14:14 AM

timaishu said:
So I built my computer in 07. I chose the best bang for the buck components of the day. Second to best if you will.

Anyways, I have the original conroe E6600, Asus 650i mobo, 2 gigs of super talent ram, 2x320gb HDD's in Raid 0, and an evga 8800GTS 640.

Its starting to show its age, my new game of choice is Bad Company 2. My frame rate isnt all that great. I get into the low 30's in some sections, but most of the time I get around 22-25. Its playable, but jerky. Ive been out of the loop hardware wise so Im not sure what new products are worth it and which are not worth the coin (like the pathetic 8600).

Anyways, I have been on ebay and my same evga card can be had for 60-70 bucks. Im wondering however if it would be worth buying a whole new card instead.

Do you think I would see a noticeable jump performance wise for what I have if I went SLI with that card? If not, what would you recommend in the 150-200 dollar price point? Preferably around 150, 200 is the absolute most I would spend.


Hey buddy, first off dual 8800GTS perform on par with a GTX 275 give or take. So if you decide to go with a 5770 you are actually downgrading ;)  .

Now, on the other hand you will actually bottleneck both of those cards if you do not overclock your CPU to at least 3.0Ghz+, BC2 is a CPU and GPU hog so the higher the CPU clock the better.

Overclock your CPU, get a second GTS and the game will run like butter.

PS : 2 more GB's of RAM would not hurt either ;) 
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April 3, 2010 6:33:07 AM

i thought it was dual 8800gtx that perform like a gtx 275?

and the 8800gtx was quite a bit faster then a 8800gts
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April 3, 2010 6:45:47 AM

obsidian86 said:
i thought it was dual 8800gtx that perform like a gtx 275?

and the 8800gtx was quite a bit faster then a 8800gts


Well it depends, thats why I said give or take. My point is that he can get a major boost in FPS by adding a secong GTS rather than having to get rid of his current GPU and buy a 5770.

For example he spends 70.00$ on a second GTS vs. spending 150.00 on the 5770.

Here is an old bench comparing the GTX to the GTS, nothing major :


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April 3, 2010 6:55:45 AM

i was sure the gtx was better then that but the op doesn mention what power supply he has
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April 3, 2010 8:15:03 AM

The GTX is better, it has 32 more SP's than the GTS.

In some benches it's 25% faster (high res) and in some it's almost equal.
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April 3, 2010 6:12:00 PM

I have a themaltake toughpower 700w psu. So power wont be an issue for me. Neither is space. So card length is no problem either.

Also, I understand the part about the CPU bottleneck. I could always buy a cooler if my stock one cant handle it. I currently have it OC'd to 2.7ghz.

Also, what exactly would I be losing out on with DX11?

Also, I just thought of something. If I replace my 8800, I would sell it to my brother for like 60 bucks so he could go SLI with his. Then I could add 60 bucks to my original price tag bringing my budget up to 210-260. Preferably in the lower end of that price range if I go this route.

What is there available for around $210-260?



Also, you say SLI'd 8800GTS would be almost on par with a GTX 275. How good is that card? Like I said, Im not up-to-date on current hardware. Im aware of these cards, I just know nothing about them. Or how to know just how badass they are.
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April 3, 2010 6:49:56 PM

timaishu said:
I have a themaltake toughpower 700w psu. So power wont be an issue for me. Neither is space. So card length is no problem either.

Also, I understand the part about the CPU bottleneck. I could always buy a cooler if my stock one cant handle it. I currently have it OC'd to 2.7ghz.

Also, what exactly would I be losing out on with DX11?

Also, I just thought of something. If I replace my 8800, I would sell it to my brother for like 60 bucks so he could go SLI with his. Then I could add 60 bucks to my original price tag bringing my budget up to 210-260. Preferably in the lower end of that price range if I go this route.

What is there available for around $210-260?



Also, you say SLI'd 8800GTS would be almost on par with a GTX 275. How good is that card? Like I said, Im not up-to-date on current hardware. Im aware of these cards, I just know nothing about them. Or how to know just how badass they are.


You have two options, either go with a second 8800 and SLI or sell your current 8800 and upgrade. I was just trying to save you some money while being able to play BC2 w/o having lag issues.

As far as DX11 you really ain't missing out on anything special as of yet, until we get more DX11 titles out I would not even worry about it. Now the benefit of having a 5 series card is the fact that it will consume less power and put out less heat vs. last gen GPU's.

You have the option to :

Sell your current GPU and get either a GTX 260/275/HD4890/HD5830

Don't sell your card, get a second and overclock them for an extra boost.

Note: your motherboard is SLI only so if you do decide on an AMD card you will only be able to use one.

Whatever you decide on make sure you add an aftermarket cooler to the order. 2.7Ghz is a bottleneck in BC2, you need at least 3Ghz+.
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April 3, 2010 7:40:57 PM

@ timaishu: This give a good overall idea of where each card falls in the performance stakes:

http://www.tomshardware.co.uk/best-graphics-card,review...

Depending on exactly how overclock friendly the motherboard is you should have no problems pushing a E6600 to 3.2GHz, maybe beyond but you will need to improve the cooling before you try that. I used the Cooler Master Hiper 212+ and found it plenty, even at 3.2GHz, but check whichever cooler you choose will fit the case!

Without a doubt, SLI is the cheapest option but I would be against that in this case: As has been said the G80 is a 'slow' chip compared to the G92 and as I recall, it hates AA and there are still plenty of games where SLI scales poorly or is just not implimented at all. And for those reasons, it is out.

My money would be on a HD5770 plus hefty overclock, there is no need to aim higher with the card, it will run most games perfectly at high settings just as long as; 1 You are not playing on a 30" monitor. And 2, you keep the AA within reason.
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April 4, 2010 1:52:21 AM

Thank you for all of your help you guys.

Im not ready to pull the trigger yet. But it has opened my eyes to possible options to think about. Though Im still not sure which path I want to take.

Time will tell. :) 
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