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May 2, 2010 1:20:05 AM

Currently planning the components for a new build and I am looking for opinions. This machine will be used for - in order of importance.

Graphics/Web design:

Adobe Creative Suite 4 (CS4) Master Collection
Autodesk 3ds MAX

Gaming:

Civilization 4: Beyond the Sword
Battlefield: Bad Company 2

General PC Usage:

MS Office
Internet

My current PC looks like this: running Vista Ultimate 32 bit

• CPU: AMD Athlon 64 X2 6400+ Windsor 3.2GHz 2 x 1MB L2 Cache Socket AM2 125W Dual-Core Processor - Retail

• MOBO: ASUS M2N-E AM2 NVIDIA nForce 570 Ultra MCP ATX AMD Motherboard - Retail

• RAM: Vista Performance 4GB DDR2-800 (PC-6400) Memory Kit (Two 2GB Memory Modules)

• HSF: ZALMAN 9500A-LED 92mm 2 Ball CPU Cooler

• HDD: (2) Samsung SpinPoint P120 250GB Hard Drive (Raid 0)
External Drive - SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD400LD 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive

• PSU: PC Power and Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V

• GPU: (2) BFG Tech BFGEGTX260MC896OCDE GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail

• DVD: Pioneer Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 40X CD-R 32X CD-RW 2MB Cache SATA CD/DVD Burner LabelFlash Support - OEM

SAMSUNG 18X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 8X DVD+R DL 18X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache E-IDE/ATAPI 18X DVD±R DVD Burner With 12X DVD-RAM Write - OEM

• Case: COOLER MASTER Centurion 5 CAC-T05-UW Black Aluminum Bezel , SECC Chassis ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Planned New Build: running not sure if I'm gonna run Vista Ultimate or Windows 7

• CPU: AMD Phenom II X6 1090T Black Edition Thuban 3.2GHz Socket AM3 125W Six-Core Desktop Processor Model HDT90ZFBGRBOX

• MOBO: Asus M4A89TD PRO Socket AM3 890FX ATX Motherboard

• RAM: (2) OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600

• HSF: COOLER MASTER Intel Core i7 compatible V8 RR-UV8-XBU1-GP 120mm Rifle CPU Cooler

• HDD: (2)Seagate Barracuda 7200.11 ST31500341AS 1.5TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (Raid 0)
External Drive - SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD400LD 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Thought about going up to 1G SATA for my external but I have had this 400G for 3 yrs or so and have never filled it up close to 50%.

• PSU: PC Power and Cooling PPCT860 860W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply

• GPU: (2) BFG Tech BFGEGTX260MC896OCDE GeForce GTX 260 896MB 448-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card - Retail

• DVD: Sony Optiarc 24X DVD/CD Rewritable Drive Black SATA Model AD-7240S-0B - OEM

• Case: COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced Black Steel body / Plastic + Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

What could I tweak with this or is this a solid build?

More about : planned build

May 2, 2010 1:47:26 AM

^ Staw away from the 2 260s, they are overpriced.

Better of with single GTX 470. (Will game well, and Cuda/Fold even better)
May 2, 2010 5:55:33 AM


Seagate 7200.12 ... NOT 7200.11 ...

Try the RipJaws 1600c7 (cheaper, faster, better)

Looks GREAT .... BUT ... Do a search on 890FX ... new boards!

42 lines and every one of them is PCIe 2.0 ... Not gonna get THAT on any other board ! (Not 42 lines and NOT 2.0 on anything other than the GPU slots)
... Well, I hear the X58 has 2.0 bandwidth on all lines ... but only has something like 36 lines) ... and .. the 1156 boards only have PCIe 1.0 except for GPU slots..

= Al =

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May 2, 2010 6:15:52 AM

builderbobftw said:
^ Staw away from the 2 260s, they are overpriced.

Better of with single GTX 470. (Will game well, and Cuda/Fold even better)


Thanks...I already have one of the 260 gtx's now so it would be cheaper for me to just by another one.
I will really be shopping for most if not all the components at my local Micro Center and the 260 gtx is currently $179.99, it was on sale for $150 when I bought my current 260 gtx last year.
May 2, 2010 7:20:28 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Seagate 7200.12 ... NOT 7200.11 ...

Try the RipJaws 1600c7 (cheaper, faster, better)

Looks GREAT .... BUT ... Do a search on 890FX ... new boards!

42 lines and every one of them is PCIe 2.0 ... Not gonna get THAT on any other board ! (Not 42 lines and NOT 2.0 on anything other than the GPU slots)
... Well, I hear the X58 has 2.0 bandwidth on all lines ... but only has something like 36 lines) ... and .. the 1156 boards only have PCIe 1.0 except for GPU slots..

= Al =


Thanks, appreciate the feedback. The series number listed for the 1.5TB drives is Barracuda 7200.11, and I will look into possibly changing the MOBO to the ASUS M4A89TD PRO AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s AMD Motherboard

As I said above, I will probably buy most of the components locally at Micro Center and as of right now they don't carry G.SKILL products but I have looked at changing the RAM to (2)OCZ Platinum 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 based on the comparable latency to the RipJaws and the fact I can get it locally at Micro Center for almost the same price as the RipJaws.



May 2, 2010 8:52:17 AM

If the budget allows it I'd still get a 470 gtx and use the 260 as PPU. The 470 is far more future proof and has directx 11. It will also outperform 2 260's
May 2, 2010 9:15:10 AM



BTW the 470 & 260 play really nice together ... CUDA + 4 mons ... nice.
May 2, 2010 2:37:43 PM

diplomat said:
Thanks...I already have one of the 260 gtx's now so it would be cheaper for me to just by another one.
I will really be shopping for most if not all the components at my local Micro Center and the 260 gtx is currently $179.99, it was on sale for $150 when I bought my current 260 gtx last year.


Dude, I Still think you should just get a 470, and then sell the GTX 260 on Ebay.

(prolly for more/the same what you bought it new all those years ago)

Or you could buy a 470, and keep the 260 for more moniters/physX.
May 3, 2010 4:09:33 AM

builderbobftw said:
Dude, I Still think you should just get a 470, and then sell the GTX 260 on Ebay.

(prolly for more/the same what you bought it new all those years ago)

Or you could buy a 470, and keep the 260 for more moniters/physX.


Okay, after doing some research, I might have to take your suggestion and get a 470. I will probably keep the 260 I have in my current build and just leave that build as is, just reformat and refresh it.

Next question is which 470.

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 012-P3-1472-AR Video Card

Seems the superclocked tends to run a little hotter that the regular 470 but that seems easily fixed by adjusting the fan speed and I'm not real big into overclocking - at least not right now. I have always had pretty good experiences using the overclocked versions of GPU's.

Also thinking with going with a SSD or 2, not sure yet still reading about that but I'm not planning to get this all together until August 2010 so by then component prices may have come down a few ticks or so.

Thanks again for your feedback!
May 3, 2010 4:12:58 AM


Well, ... If it is "Factory OC" then warranty should cover ... eh?

My old whimpy 7600GT is factory OC ... just great.

= Al =
May 3, 2010 7:12:44 AM

Alvin Smith said:
Well, ... If it is "Factory OC" then warranty should cover ... eh?

My old whimpy 7600GT is factory OC ... just great.

= Al =

Yeah, when I got the 260 I moved my 8800GT Superclocked to my daughter's PC and it works great.
May 3, 2010 7:36:23 PM

diplomat said:
Okay, after doing some research, I might have to take your suggestion and get a 470. I will probably keep the 260 I have in my current build and just leave that build as is, just reformat and refresh it.

Next question is which 470.

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card

EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) SuperClocked 012-P3-1472-AR Video Card

Seems the superclocked tends to run a little hotter that the regular 470 but that seems easily fixed by adjusting the fan speed and I'm not real big into overclocking - at least not right now. I have always had pretty good experiences using the overclocked versions of GPU's.

Also thinking with going with a SSD or 2, not sure yet still reading about that but I'm not planning to get this all together until August 2010 so by then component prices may have come down a few ticks or so.

Thanks again for your feedback!


get the normal one!

The other one is a rip-off.
May 3, 2010 7:44:16 PM

yeah I also think the extra 30 dolars isn't worth the few percent increase.
May 3, 2010 7:53:34 PM

did anyone notice that none of the 890 boards support sli ?
May 3, 2010 7:55:51 PM

^ Yep, and you can do it you"reself.

LOL AT 25MHZ OVERCLOCK!
May 3, 2010 9:25:03 PM

Thanks for your help, really appreciated. How do some of you vets feel about liquid cooling? I been reading on it and it's not in the budget right now but it may be something I look into.. doesn't seem that difficult...all about the money though...LOL
May 3, 2010 10:24:13 PM

^ Watercooling=Fail.

Stick to air.
May 3, 2010 10:39:12 PM

obsidian86 said:
did anyone notice that none of the 890 boards support sli ?

obsidian86 has made a great point that's been ignored to this point. You can't run SLI on a 890 chipset motherboard. I would ditch the GTX 470 idea and get either a 5850 or 5870. That leaves you with a great performing GPU that uses a lot less power, runs cooler, and has the option of adding another GPU in Crossfire later.
May 3, 2010 11:19:32 PM

^ Right.

You should sell the 260, then add about 150$ to get a 5850.
May 3, 2010 11:22:14 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
obsidian86 has made a great point that's been ignored to this point. You can't run SLI on a 890 chipset motherboard. I would ditch the GTX 470 idea and get either a 5850 or 5870. That leaves you with a great performing GPU that uses a lot less power, runs cooler, and has the option of adding another GPU in Crossfire later.



Seriously ?!,

890FX won't run my two 9800GT-EEs in SLI ?? ...

First, I thought that SLI and Crossfire were technically identical and interchangable terms ...

Guess not ! ... Now .. how deeply will I have to delve to gain complete understanding of the issue?

Finally ... ATi MAY be trying to gain market share by cutting nVidia out of the build but, in my case, ATi has completely cust themselves out of my build (and 890FX was a TOP contender until THIS) ...
... This means NO ATi builds for CS4/CS5 (as far as I'm concerned) ... That is a HUGE blunder that will (absolutely) backfire ! ... I was a huge fan of the SB850 ... Made SO much sense in the role as a CENTRAL MM STUDIO MULTIPLEXER, ... 42 lines of PCIe2.0 and "all that" .... down the tubes !!

Truly a SHAME.

= X58? ... Here I come ! = (Better for Blackmagic Design Intensity/DeckLink anyway ... certified).

... sorry for the "thread-jack"

May 3, 2010 11:33:34 PM

Alvin Smith said:
Seriously ?!,

890FX won't run my two 9800GT-EEs in SLI ?? ...

First, I thought that SLI and Crossfire were technically identical and interchangable terms ...

Guess not ! ... Now .. how deeply will I have to delve to gain complete understanding of the issue?

Finally ... ATi MAY be trying to gain market share by cutting nVidia out of the build but, in my case, ATi has completely cust themselves out of my build (and 890FX was a TOP contender until THIS) ...
... This means NO ATi builds for CS4/CS5 (as far as I'm concerned) ... That is a HUGE blunder that will (absolutely) backfire ! ... I was a huge fan of the SB850 ... Made SO much sense in the role as a CENTRAL MM STUDIO MULTIPLEXER, ... 42 lines of PCIe2.0 and "all that" .... down the tubes !!

Truly a SHAME.

= X58? ... Here I come ! = (Better for Blackmagic Design Intensity/DeckLink anyway ... certified).

... sorry for the "thread-jack"


What's ur Cs5 build gonna be, a Nice HSf, 12gb/6 RAm, and a i7-930 at 4.3+ A GTX 480?

That is one kickass CS5 build.....
May 4, 2010 1:13:35 AM

builderbobftw said:
What's ur Cs5 build gonna be, a Nice HSf, 12gb/6 RAm, and a i7-930 at 4.3+ A GTX 480?

That is one kickass CS5 build.....



I am currently planning/hoping to build ...

A "UD3H" class X58 board with the next INTEL SB, due hopefully this summer (late).

A 930/212+/6GB-1600c7

A FERMI 450 ... will limp on 9800GT-EE in need be.

An Intel 80GB X25M/G2 SSD ...

HEY! ... THIS ISN'T MY THREAD ! ...

... You know where to find me ! (PM).

= Al =
May 4, 2010 2:09:26 AM

Quote:
Ever since the 700 chipsets, no AMD chipset suopported SLI, EVER!
But isnt there gonna be AMD hydras>?


Are you sure?

i thought I've seen people with 3 way 480s on a 790 FX,
May 4, 2010 2:11:34 AM

Echo the 470 + old 260 as dedicated PhysX card. And w/ Adobe in the mix, you definitely want nVidia. Then again, w/ AutoCAD and Adobe, I would be doing an i7-930 build.

PSU is extreme overkill

Better Case w/ one of the best PSU's on the market for less than the price your selected PSU

Antec 1200 w/ CP-850 $230 (yes, the lights have off switches)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

or Antec P183 w/ Antec CP-850 $210 (extremely quiet combo)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html
http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...

Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):

(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly. I'm thinking 7200.12


If ya wanna look at i7 option:

$210 Antec P183 w/ CP-850 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$520 ASUS P6X58D-E w/ Intel i7-930 http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$200 3 x 2GB Corsair DDR3-1600 CAS 7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$85 Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 1TB http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$35 Scythe 2100 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$6 OCZ Freeze http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$25 Any DVD writer
$350 Asus ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 GTX 470 (Fermi) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$0 Old 260 as dedicated PhysX card
$35 AFT XM-35U Card Reader http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

That should easily OC to 4 GHz....MoBo and HS are outta stock atm.
May 4, 2010 2:17:01 AM

^ Mate, he's using Cs4, Wich doesn"t get helped by Cuda.

Not CS5, Wich does.

And 890 doesn"t support SLI!
May 4, 2010 2:58:36 AM

Quote:
Didnt the 790FX have 42 lanes of PCI-e already?
.?



Not according to the Gigabyte chipset matrix I was looking at, last nite.

Follow the product link from their UD3H version.

= Al =
May 4, 2010 2:59:05 AM

builderbobftw said:
^ Mate, he's using Cs4, Wich doesn"t get helped by Cuda.

Not CS5, Wich does.

And 890 doesn"t support SLI!


And how long before the upgrade to CS5, which is ready to ship?

May 4, 2010 3:13:40 AM

Quote:
Thats only possbile on BIOS hacks, because physically the 790FX/890FX can SLI just fine, but it is just not enabled, like select X58 boards.


With all THAT confusion, in the mix, I'm surprised EVGA isn't just mopping up!

=
May 4, 2010 3:31:12 AM

Link Please..
Thats probally the 790GX, or 790X not FX


You win ... There IS a cool comparison tool, over on the 890FX UD5 page but I could not (just now) reproduce the result I was referencing ...

... I defer ... (to your excellent dope) ... and I'll just say (hey, INTEL?) that, as a project studio "tech-artist", I just love the idea of GOBS of cardbus bandwidth and I would not be against adding two more slot spaces to the ATX spec.

... Either THAT ... or ... Give me an affordable "studio client" version of windows, so that I can have half a dozen dedicated rigs, here in the studio.

= Al =
May 4, 2010 7:10:57 PM

Alvin Smith said:
With all THAT confusion, in the mix, I'm surprised EVGA isn't just mopping up!

=

\Cuase thie bords are overpiced garbage with terrible OCs.
:lol: 

And goo dpoint about upgrading to CS5.
:bounce: 

May 4, 2010 7:38:22 PM

builderbobftw said:
\Cuase thie bords are overpiced garbage with terrible OCs.
:lol: 

And goo dpoint about upgrading to CS5.
:bounce: 



... give a little, ... take a lot ... BUT ... always leave 'em with cab fare.

= Al =
May 4, 2010 9:37:32 PM

Okay how bout this Build with an Intel...which would be my first because all 3 of my machines are AMD.

Gonna probably go with Win 7 64 bit

• CPU: Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor $199 @ Microcenter

• MOBO: EVGA E758-TR 3-Way SLI (x16/x16/x8) LGA 1366 Intel X58 ATX Intel Motherboard

• RAM: OCZ Platinum 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Low Voltage Desktop Memory Model OCZ3P1600LV6GK - Retail

• HSF: COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler

• SSD: Intel X25-M Mainstream SSDSA2MH080G2R5 2.5" 80GB SATA II MLC Internal Solid State Drive (SSD) - Retail

• HDD: (2)Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive (Raid 0) Already purchased still in boxes
External Drive - SAMSUNG SpinPoint T Series HD400LD 400GB 7200 RPM 8MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 3.5" Hard Drive -Bare Drive Already purchased and using

• PSU: PC Power and Cooling S75QB 750W ATX12V / EPS12V SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC Power Supply compatible with core i7

• GPU: EVGA GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 012-P3-1470-AR Video Card

• DVD: SAMSUNG DVD Burner Black SATA Model SH-S223L LightScribe Support - OEM Already purchased

• Case: COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced Black Steel body / Plastic + Mesh bezel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

Liquid Cooling may come later
May 4, 2010 9:38:53 PM

builderbobftw said:
^ Mate, he's using Cs4, Wich doesn"t get helped by Cuda.

Not CS5, Wich does.

And 890 doesn"t support SLI!


Should be getting CS5 mid year, just like to let it hit the market and get tested and debugged before I upgrade.
May 4, 2010 9:55:46 PM

^ Right then.

Stay awya form the superclocked cards, waste of money.

You can do an OC urself, and The "Super' clocked cards are onyl 25mhz faster.

just get a goddran normal 470!
May 4, 2010 10:03:34 PM

builderbobftw said:
^ Right then.

Stay awya form the superclocked cards, waste of money.

You can do an OC urself, and The "Super' clocked cards are onyl 25mhz faster.

just get a goddran normal 470!


Oh yeah, I remember you said that earlier...my mistake. Okay so you still say the 470 over the (2) 260's, guess I'll have to - gulp - spend the extra $$$$ sice I already have some of the componets.
May 4, 2010 10:40:48 PM

^ Sell the 260, then it's 350$-170$.
May 4, 2010 10:52:34 PM

Nah, I'll keep the 260 in this current machine. The total cost for the AMD build with the 470 is $1700 while the total cost for Intel build with the 470 is $1550 so it shouldn't be a problem.
May 4, 2010 10:57:36 PM

Alvin Smith said:
I

... You know where to find me !

= Al =


Space?
:lol: 
May 4, 2010 10:59:20 PM

Right,

Why isn"t the Hyper 212+ in you"re new build!>!>!>!>>!
May 4, 2010 10:59:48 PM

builderbobftw said:
Right,

Why isn"t the Hyper 212+ in you"re new build!>!>!>!>>!


I have always liked the V8, you think the Hyper 212 is the better HSF?
May 4, 2010 11:01:40 PM

I Don"t think, i know.

It is.

Cooler, Quiter, Cheaper, Better.

The Hyper 212+ is the bhest cooling soultion under 70$.

(And the 70$ one is the Meghalmens, not the V8)

V8=FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
May 4, 2010 11:02:26 PM

The only thing the V8 has going for it is its looks. It doesn't perform very well and is overpriced. The Hyper 212+ certainly offers better bang for the buck.
May 4, 2010 11:03:20 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
The only thing the V8 has going for it is its looks.


It's like my Ex!
:lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol:  :lol: 

May 4, 2010 11:06:42 PM

builderbobftw said:
I Don"t think, i know.

It is.

Cooler, Quiter, Cheaper, Better.

The Hyper 212+ is the bhest cooling soultion under 70$.

(And the 70$ one is the Meghalmens, not the V8)

V8=FAIL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


WOW, I just checked and the Hyper 212+ is only $19.99 @Micro Center...done deal, might go get that today!!
!