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Building i7-930 System this week. Need Expert Advice

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May 3, 2010 1:14:24 PM

Newbie here. Need to build a 17-930 system this week. Appreciate all comments!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: This week.

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USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Photoshop CS4, Dreamweaver CS4, Excel, Word, Internet, movies. I never game. I just like to have a fast system and near instant power-on.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Case (Cooler Master Storm Sniper)

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg, Microcenter, Amazon, Tigerdirect

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: Los Angeles, CA, USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: i7 930

OVERCLOCKING: Yes (I just like tinkering with things and getting the most out of the system)

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes - future upgrade

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920 x 1200 or 1920 x 1080

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: Budget $1000-$1200. I'm looking to build the fastest computer within this budget.

CPU: http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml... (i7-930) $200

Mobo: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R LGA 1366) $209

PSU: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (CORSAIR CMPSU-650TX 650W) $90
I'm tempted to pick up this OCZ PSU + DVD combo for such a good price http://www.mwave.com/mwave/SKUSearch_v3.asp?px=MP&scrit... Or should I pay up and stick with Corsair?

HDD: http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... (SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB) $90

I will add SSD in a few months when prices drop.

GPU: I'm lost here. Suggestions? Need to run dual monitors. Bonus if card can run 3+ monitors.

Memory: I'm lost here. Suggestions?

Monitor: Any dual 24" monitor suggestions? Currently have the Samsung 24" 2494HM - don't like the glossy bezel. Prefer monitor with least matte bezel, and thin.

RAID: Do I need to buy additional parts to run RAID or does the mobo has everything to run this? I'm paranoid about lost data and never done this before.
May 3, 2010 6:18:35 PM

tecno34 > Thanks for the suggestions!
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May 3, 2010 6:51:51 PM

Nice motherboard, nice CPU, nice PSU. Tecmo's suggested GPU is right on. Do you plan on overclocking your rig? You don't need to game to feel the advantages of one more GHz. I recommend the G.SKILL PI also because of its price, quality, and the ability to get a good overclock if you decide to do that later.

I have Dell's 20", 24", and 27" monitors and I love them all. I would never buy anything else. You cannot beat them in terms of price, features, and quality. My 20" is from 2005 and still going strong.

If you plan on going SLI or Crossfire and overclocking, you might need a PSU with more wattage, depending on what sort of video cards you'll want later. I just got a Corsair 1000W that is sweet. You might think it's overkill, but if you do video rendering or get into it later, you'll need something larger. Many computer problems can be traced back to people skimping on the PSU. Many people think it's a way to save money on buying a rig, but it can cost more later if it dies, explodes, or ruins your parts. Corsair is good, no matter what wattage you decide you need.

EDIT: Cat jumped on the keyboard when I wasn't looking.
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May 4, 2010 5:50:24 AM

i_hate_flying> Tks. I took your advice and got the higher powered Corsair instead for only a few bucks more:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... (Corsair TX750W 750-Watt Power Supply)

Do you recommend the HD 5770 over the HD 5670? It's about $40 more. I don't mind spending the extra money if the value is there. I work on a lot of 50mb file on Photoshop. Will I notice any difference?
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May 4, 2010 5:59:16 AM

i_hate_flying said:
Nice motherboard, nice CPU, nice PSU. Tecmo's suggested GPU is right on. Do you plan on overclocking your rig? You don't need to game to feel the advantages of one more GHz.


One GHz is exaggerating, but if you do plan on doing some overclocking then you may want to pick up an aftermarket HSF as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i_hate_flying said:
If you plan on going SLI or Crossfire and overclocking, you might need a PSU with more wattage, depending on what sort of video cards you'll want later. I just got a Corsair 1000W that is sweet. ... Many computer problems can be traced back to people skimping on the PSU. Many people think it's a way to save money on buying a rig, but it can cost more later if it dies, explodes, or ruins your parts.


To clarify, under no circumstances will you need anywhere near 1kW, especially with such a power sipping GPU. Also, where most people make a mistake is skimping on the quality of the power supply, not on the wattage.
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May 4, 2010 6:07:12 AM

lol one could do with 500wat 650 or 750 at the most for future upgrades I run the new fermi card on an 850 and that thing eats power.
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May 4, 2010 6:09:08 AM

kobebeef said:
i_hate_flying> Tks. I took your advice and got the higher powered Corsair instead for only a few bucks more:

http://www.tigerdirect.com/applications/SearchTools/ite... (Corsair TX750W 750-Watt Power Supply)

Do you recommend the HD 5770 over the HD 5670? It's about $40 more. I don't mind spending the extra money if the value is there. I work on a lot of 50mb file on Photoshop. Will I notice any difference?


750 Watts is more than enough just make sure you get a high quality psu rather than thinking high wattage = better.

Also, +1 for the 5770, definitely worth the extra $40 ;) 
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May 4, 2010 6:30:17 AM

Seems the consensus is to get a quality PSU. My upgrade from 650W to 750W is from the same Corsair TX series for just $5 more (I figured, why not).

jbakerlent> Tks for the heads up. Will definitely buy the CM heatsink!

amk09> Copy that. Going with the XFX 5770 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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May 4, 2010 6:34:05 AM

that CM hsf is good for its price but a TRUE or a noctua d14 although more expensive will outperform it by a large margin.

And the 5770 is a very good choice so is the corsair psu.
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May 4, 2010 6:35:04 AM

BTW - I do plan to OC this thing. I know I won't ever be needing all that power as I don't game. But it's good to push it to the limit... just because I can =)
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May 4, 2010 6:37:17 AM

Somebody_007 said:
that CM hsf is good for its price but a TRUE or a noctua d14 although more expensive will outperform it by a large margin.

And the 5770 is a very good choice so is the corsair psu.


You really think it's necessary for him to spend more on a HSF? That coolermaster hyper 212 is extremely effective and at a great price too. IMO it's not a smart idea to waste a lot of money on a hsf when the $30 dollar one gets the job done just as well.
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May 4, 2010 6:45:18 AM

amk09> What are your thoughts on the HD 4890 vs 5770? If it were you, which would you go with?
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May 4, 2010 6:54:57 AM

I'm not amk but, imo, you really don't need either for your uses. Nevertheless, the 5770 is definitely more appropriate, given futureproofing, and efficiency.
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May 4, 2010 7:00:52 AM

jbakerlent> Tks for the HSF link and 5770 advice. Hyper 212+ it is.
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May 4, 2010 7:01:06 AM

+1 to the hyper 212

4890 vs. 5770

Lets see, while the 4890 is a tad more powerful, the 5770 is a MUCH better buy.

Its cheaper, supports DirectX 11, more efficient(smaller, consumes less power), and works great in crossfire if you ever decide to get another (5770's in crossfire rival a 5870)

Good luck on your decision :D 
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May 4, 2010 3:16:12 PM

well it depends how much you want to OC. A nh-d14 will give you stability over 4.0ghz while a hyper 212 around 3.8
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May 4, 2010 4:25:59 PM

kobebeef said:
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Photoshop CS4, Dreamweaver CS4, Excel, Word, Internet, movies. I never game. I just like to have a fast system and near instant power-on.

I'm in agreement with the Hyper 212 Plus for the cooler but I see no reason to move up to the ATI 5770, even at a $40 increase. This is NOT a gamer build and if the OP didn't want the option to run three monitors, I would've original suggested even less of a GPU. The OP will not need the power of the 5770, unless it turns into a gaming system. With that being said, there is no reason to upgrade the PSU to anything above the a 650w PSU... max. The Corsair 650 will run dual 5770's without issue with his build.

Again, these are good suggestions across the board and if the OP wants to implement them that is their choice but the suggestions (outside of the HSF) will provide no tangible benefit to the OP for their uses. This is just my opinion so in the end it is up to the OP to determine if the cost increases are justified.



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May 4, 2010 6:34:21 PM

The 5770 is indeed overpowered for those application but it leaves a lot of possibilty for the machine
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May 4, 2010 7:19:20 PM

I agree that he doesn't NEED the 5770 but he asked if it was worth the extra $40 and honestly I believe that would be a $40 well spent.

With a three monitor set up and an i7-930, there should be no reason to shaft your system with a weak graphics card, you never know if you may do some GPU intensive tasks down the road and have to be slowed down because you skimped on a graphics card.

That being said the 5670 is by no means going to slow you down but it definitely wouldn't hurt to get a 5770.

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May 4, 2010 7:21:59 PM

Kind of what I was trying to say but he succeeded :p . Your profile pic isn't that cool though should swap it around ;) 
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May 4, 2010 7:35:41 PM

Somebody_007 said:
Kind of what I was trying to say but he succeeded :p . Your profile pic isn't that cool though should swap it around ;) 


Yea sorry for stealing your thunder just tried to elaborate a little bit. :kaola: 
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May 4, 2010 11:42:40 PM

Tks to everyone for chiming in!

I did go ahead and order the Corsair TX750W PSU. I know I'll never need all that wattage, but for only $10 more, it's good for future-proofing the system, and it's modular, so I can hide those ugly cables.

To be perfectly clear, I'll never need all the power that this system offers, but it will open all my apps and files faster - for that, I'm willing to pay for. Which brings me the fact that I am so close to purchasing that Intel 80GB SSD.
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May 5, 2010 12:03:12 AM

Wait, the TX is not modular... Rest-assured though that it is a solid choice and could potentially last you through several builds.
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May 5, 2010 12:39:41 AM

jbakerlent> You're right. It's not modular. But oh well.

Here is what I bought so far:

CPU - Intel i7-930
Mobo - Asus P6T (couldn't pass up a great deal on Dell for $181)
GPU - XFX HD 5770
PSU - CORSAIR CMPSU-750TX 750W
Case - Cooler Master Storm Sniper
HDD - SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB
HSF - COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus

These parts should start arriving next week, so gonna be a fun!

I'm still waiting for a good deal on memory. Other than the G.Skill memory suggested above, any other suggestions? Is the Corsair XMS3 recommended?
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May 5, 2010 12:53:25 AM

^its fine. corsair xms3 6gb. a triple channel would do.3x2gb.
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May 5, 2010 5:22:39 AM

Don't go for the p6t even at that price the ud3r is better in almost every way. It's far more future proof mostly and has good heat pipes.
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May 5, 2010 8:09:38 AM

somebody_007> Yikes. Shipment is already on it's way. Hope I won't have buyer's remorse.

BTW, read on albrichri's thread you have a killer speaker system. Mind telling me what it is? I'm into hifi myself. Was thinking of getting the Audioengine 2 for to enjoy while clearing away pimples on Photoshop.

albrchri> Killer system! I'll most likely get the Intel SSD to power my apps as well. FWIW - I recommend a nice mouse and keyboard to go with that killer system of yours. I swear by my clicky IBM Model M keyboard... I spent a good afternoon polishing off an old one I got off of eBay.
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May 5, 2010 8:33:41 AM

jbakerlent said:
One GHz is exaggerating, but if you do plan on doing some overclocking then you may want to pick up an aftermarket HSF as well.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

To clarify, under no circumstances will you need anywhere near 1kW, especially with such a power sipping GPU. Also, where most people make a mistake is skimping on the quality of the power supply, not on the wattage.


With that CPU, he could get a 4.4 GHz overclock if lucky, he also mentioned going SLI later. If he gets two GTX 480's and overclocks, a 1000 W PSU is the minimum required. If he plans on SLIing some lower end cars, then 750 W would definitely do it.
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May 5, 2010 11:25:00 AM

the P6T isn't a bad board with a usb3 and sata3 pci card it won't be any worse than the ud3r but it doesn't have those features onboard thats why I wouldn't have reccomended it. I have 2 old 2.1 systems which are around 15 yers old but since speaker technology has been stagment for the last 40 years buying new ones is just ridiculous. The one 2.1 system are two large(1m)heco speakers with 2 basses each. The other is a newer smaller canton system) I got them repaired and cleaned them up when I inheritted them from my dad. The entire system cost more than 2000 back in the day. They still work like a charm though. Still haven't dared to go 5% volume LOL.
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May 5, 2010 11:29:00 AM

srry about the spelling :p 
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May 5, 2010 12:13:31 PM

somebody_007> I see. Tks for the heads up! I already purchased the Intel X25-M 80GB SSD. Is the Asus P6T optimum to run this HDD or is the Gigabyte a better option? (Not familiar if SSD will run better on sata3 or not).
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May 5, 2010 12:43:14 PM

I'm not sure about that I think it wil make a differenc but not huge but you'll have to ask somene who knows more about hard drives.
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May 5, 2010 2:29:07 PM

i_hate_flying said:
With that CPU, he could get a 4.4 GHz overclock if lucky, he also mentioned going SLI later. If he gets two GTX 480's and overclocks, a 1000 W PSU is the minimum required. If he plans on SLIing some lower end cars, then 750 W would definitely do it.


Yea if he did that he would but why on earth would he get two 480's when he doesn't game and the current card he got is a 5770 which won't ever really use over 100 watts while the 480's would consume 5x that amount.
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May 5, 2010 2:52:38 PM

Where the hell do the 480's come from whoever started with it?
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May 5, 2010 6:39:20 PM

This may sound like a silly question.

As I've ordered the COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus HSF, does it come with the thermal paste or do I need to buy my own? If so, any good recommendations? In fact, I've never done this, so probably need to go on youtube and view those DYI videos =)
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May 5, 2010 7:50:38 PM

Yes, the HSF comes with a small container of thermal paste (TIM).
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May 5, 2010 7:52:14 PM

jbakerlent> Copy that sir!
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May 12, 2010 1:55:23 AM

Hey everyone... tks for all the valuable advice. Just wanted to update on my final system build.

Turns out my original budget of $1000-$1200 ballooned to $2239 after I got two 24" Ultrasharp from Dell *sigh* I figured since I stare at the monitor all day, mine as well be something I enjoy staring into!

Case Cooler Master Sniper Black Edition Newegg x $110.00
Processor: Intel i7-930 Microcenter x $217.49
DVD+R Sony Newegg x $22.00
Motherboard Gigabyte X58A-UD3R Amazon x $209.00
Hard Drive SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB SuperWiiz x $77.00
Hard Drive SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB Newegg x $82.30
Monitors Dell U2410 x 2QTY Dell $1,020.00
Power Supply PSU CORSAIR TX750W Tigerdirect $115.00
Graphics XFX HD 5770 Tigerdirect $165.00
Memory Crucial PC10600 1333MHz 3GB DDR3 *N/A (already have lying around)
SSD: Intel X25-M 80GB SSD Tigerdirect $225.00
Heatsink COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Tigerdirect $27.00
TOTAL: $2,239.79

I got all the parts from advice on this board. Question is, will my Crucial PC10600 3GB memory that I have now be a bottle neck in this system (leftover from previous)? I'm thinking of waiting for memory prices to fall before snatching a 6GB kit... assuming this Crucial kit can hold its own til then. Your thoughts? Unless you think it's paramount I get some quality pcs for this build.

With these parts, I'll be running RAID 1 for files and the SSD for OS and applications, and overclock this baby just for fun.
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May 12, 2010 2:01:44 AM

No... It won't be a major bottleneck. Your system will run fine but at times in dealing with large files/operations, it will slow down due to the lack of RAM capacity. Your applications love more RAM, so 6GB to 12GB+ work best with them.
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May 12, 2010 2:10:24 AM

tecmo34> Copy that. I currently run quad-core on 4GB with HD4650... it seems fine at the moment. But as you said, I could use the extra memory.

BTW, does the quality/brand of the memory have a major impact on a typical system? I know getting Corsair Dominator or G.Skills are better, but would my money be better spent elsewhere (afterall, how much speed gain will I get from Cas 9 to 7, or as they say, my return on investment)? This is not urgent for me, but I'd just like to learn a bit.
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