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July 11, 2010 12:50:35 AM

inetl new cpu core i7 875k is about 40$ epensive that p2 x6 1090t.but when overclocke it,it beat amd 1090t in about same money :pt1cable: 
so we want choose between this items
1) core i7-875
2) core i7-930
3) amd phenom iix6 1090t
4)amd phenom ii x6 1055t
what is the best cpu ?

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July 11, 2010 12:59:11 AM

#4 for me !
July 11, 2010 1:01:36 AM

#4
overclocks nicely.
OP looking at very different price ranges.
if you want I7-930 price competition have a look at some opteron processors.
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July 11, 2010 1:13:28 AM

but core i7-875k overclocks nicely and has best performance in that price 329$(on newegg).
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July 11, 2010 1:18:09 AM

1055t $199 newegg.. Will OC to 4ghz bang for buck..

6x4ghz for $199 #4 for me!

What do you use at the moment alfred, and have you ever had the chance to use a x6 core system!
July 11, 2010 1:18:55 AM

little bit out of touch with american/english prices.
but it will hit maybe 3.3-3.5 at a push (thats a guesstimate)
If you are looking at speed and cores have a look into the opterons.

http://www.ksn-online.co.uk/components-cpus-amd-opteron...

as i said i have no clue about the currency conversion rate.
but 8 cores? for £230
July 11, 2010 1:32:16 AM

Then get the 1055t if you want performance for price?

its 2.30 in the morning, would you really like a quick lesson on cores to clock speeds?
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July 11, 2010 1:33:05 AM

Hmmmm. x8 opteron hmm.. just not sure, depends what you are doing with it I guess, would have to check clock for clock performance across different applications to see if this server chip would be suitable for desktop work.

Also the socket may be a limiting factor due to costs involved, but imagine 2 x Ocyx8/x12 with 128gb ram and dual 5970 xfire on Ln2 Ouch!
July 11, 2010 1:40:41 AM

lol,you are just a fan boy!!so you said 875k is not performance-price?
July 11, 2010 1:41:21 AM

compared to the x6. no it isnt
July 11, 2010 1:44:37 AM

your reason?
Anonymous
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July 11, 2010 1:46:45 AM

alfred, its not all about the CPU..

My 1055t is sitting in a Asus Crosshairs IV 890FX which is a High End Board.. Full Fat all sugar and no artificial sweetners..

X58 is Full Fat as well all sweet and goodness...

SKT1156 is mid range, intel chipset on a diet.

I would put a 750 on that chipset with a single GPU, probably nothing more, its Intel Budget!
I believe in spending as much on your Mobo as you do CPU, I try go with a 1-1 ratio, It has always served me well, I always have balanced systems and they are always faster than more expensive stock systems with a tweak or two!

Oh.. my 1055t does 4.5ghz on my Asus board, it would not do that on a cheap board! also in everyday use other than some benchmarks, you would not notice the speed difference between 875k and 1055t if both were at 4ghz except in handbrake, where the 1055t will finish much quicker! Games would all be smooth, web pages load, 3d scenes rendered, skype chatted, hell even a few photoshop touchups in for good measure!

But the 1055 is cheaper allowing me to have a nice lovely Asus ROG Mobo with its bells and whistles.

Well each to their own I guess, and all have different needs and choices to match, but out of your 4 choices.. I still say #4 is the best CPU looking at what it does for how much it costs!

What machine do you currently use alfred.

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July 11, 2010 1:47:26 AM

For 330 the 875k isnt a good deal, its not going to OC much higher than an 860 or a 930, unlocked just makes it easier to OC but in general you will come pretty close to the same level whether its locked or unlocked.
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July 11, 2010 1:56:53 AM

^+1, that's why you can get a Phenom II X6 1055T past 3.8 GHz on a locked multiplier, and costs $100 less. The i7 875K is really an i7 870 which is a total ripoff compared to the 875K.

As for your list, 'best' depends on the situation. I'd go with the Phenom II X6 1055T on a normal everyday budget, the i7 930 for a CrossFireX/SLI setup, the i7 875K if I plan to overclock quite a bit and the Phenom II X6 1090T BE? Well... if I wanted to overclock something more easily by AMD this would be my choice.
July 11, 2010 1:57:06 AM

moricon now you are coming to discussion:
in excel or heay caculations you see core i7 875 pull out amd with a big diffrence in photo shop cs 5 it has a big diffrence.in hand brake yes you are right but in other application what?875 beat 1055.yes 1055t is best for perfomance price.but for 130$ extra 875k isn't a good choice?main board is p55 and it is not epensive like x 58.
and hunter thank you.but 875 k is like 975 in many benchmarks and overclok same is 330 is enought for it?
July 11, 2010 2:01:27 AM

you said that overclocking 1090t is easier than 875k?are you sure?
July 11, 2010 2:03:54 AM

i don't say unlocker is better or not.core i7 875k is better than 860?and has same result with 870 and is cheaper than 870 this is my point.
July 11, 2010 2:06:22 AM

Without a good board like an x58 you wouldnt be able to pull off massive overclocks anyway.
With regards to overclocking is easier on what. Overclocking in general is very easy its just fiddling with multipliers and voltages in your BIOS.

if x16 multiplier works and is stable bump it up to x17
if x17 multiplier works and is stable bump it up to x18
and so on
July 11, 2010 2:11:46 AM

yes so on.....:) 
July 11, 2010 2:39:28 AM

the mainboard is very powerful maximus iii formula and it has same price crosshair iv formula 229$.so you just pay 130$ more and buy a better pc in gaming,rendering,encoding,etc
and still say it is not good?
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July 11, 2010 2:41:59 AM

I also would go for #4 as well. Then again, for what I really do on a PC, an Athlon X2 is all I really need.
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July 11, 2010 2:42:34 AM

Nope sorry alfred, still think overall, for what you pay, 1055t on 890fx > 875k on p55.

Even though the 875 will OC and beat the 1055 in some benches and applications, the real world differences will not be noticeable, and once again, i have the lovely 890fx to play with instead of p55 for overall less than 875/p55.

It is fast, can OC well but Price/performance on whole platform nope #4

It is fast, it is easy to OC, but 875 still not winner bang for buck..

I have all PWM fan headers for my 4x 120mm CAse fans, 6xSata3 USB 3 full voltage pionts, no crappy legacy connectors XF-I sound onboard, x16/x16 x16x8x8 / x8x8x8x8 heck 42 pci lanes 42!

This value here by going with 1055t over cheaper p55 to warrant 330 875
Asus $229
1050t $199
Total $428

875 $330
leaving $98 for mobo to match price

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

here is an example in budget

Look at this MSI costing same amount as ASUS 890fx

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Only x16 or x8x8

total will also be $559 for 875 and MSI comparable price board.

Still woudl prefer overall package of 1055t and 890fx.

Now if you compare x58 in this you will find proper MOBO there for not much more, but i7 cost more, $100 more for 930 which once again in real everyday performance is not that much different to 1055t.
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July 11, 2010 2:51:54 AM

890fx will be the faster gaming solution with 3x GPU or 4 x GPU (16x8x8/x8x8x8x8)over 2x GPu (x8x8) and will be plenty fast in everything else!
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July 11, 2010 2:55:32 AM

I agree with moricon. For the cost of the 875K and a good motherboard, I can buy a 1055T, a high end 890FX motherboard, and RAM for it. I rather have the 1055T as well.
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July 11, 2010 3:33:04 AM

PII X6 is no match to an i7 in most cases even at much higher frequency. No point in getting a hex that is worse than a quad.

i7 860 vs 1090T

You'd better find answers by reading reviews instead of asking, because there are full of AMD fanboys these days.
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July 11, 2010 3:42:07 AM

iqvl said:
PII X6 is no match to an i7 in most cases even at much higher frequency.

i7 860 vs 1090T

You'd better find answers by reading reviews instead of asking, because there are full of AMD fanboys these days.

Intel has the fastest CPU's no question!
AMD has the best price/performance ratio!
Most people don't want to spend more money than they have to! That does not make most people AMD fanboys!
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July 11, 2010 3:46:02 AM

If you want the best bang for the buck, get an i5 750 instead 1055T.

1055T vs i5 750
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July 11, 2010 5:12:46 AM

price difference? I thought AMD supporters only care about bang for the buck. Anyway, OC both to 4GHz and you will see immense advantage of i5 750 in $for the buck. Much more important than USB3 and Sata III which nearly none USB and SSD will benefit from today.

In addition, don't forget that you would still need to pay more than you have to ($200) for the 955 if i5 750 were not released. rip-off?
July 11, 2010 6:01:37 AM

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In addition, don't forget that you would still need to pay more than you have to ($200) for the 955 if i5 750 were not released. rip-off?


If I'm understanding your point, it is irrelevant in every way to this discussion. If the i5-750 weren't released, the 955 would have a right to be at that price point, because what other quad core would occupy that price range?

It's like saying, hypothetically, if AMD releases a processor soon that destroys the i7 architecture and forces intel to drop their prices, I could say "Man were those i7's a ripoff", though that would be an ignorant thing to say, because at the time they were amazing.

But as for the actual argument. I'm not sure where I stand on this. The 1055t is a very appealing processor, as is the i5 750. I am really attracted to AMD's model of not requiring a socket change every generation, but the i5 seems to be a great choice as well. Honestly though, I don't think any games out will really push these processors to their limits, as the gpu becomes more important first.

I'm sure program wise, it boils down to how many threads it supports. The i5 probably shines in programs up to 4 cores, and I'm sure at some point the 1055t takes over when more threads are introduced. I've seen benches that seem to tell different things. Gaming wise though, they seem to always be within 3-4 fps of one another.

And to the original post, I think the i7 875 is at a weird price point. I don't really know why you would take that over buying an i7 930 on a superior 1366 platform.
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July 11, 2010 11:10:01 AM

Simply put, 1055t on 890fx is the better option for a high end user who wants to push Graphics envelope and have modern connectivity options included at a reasonable price and still get great performance.. Not being AMD fanboy, could not care less about branding, only how it works and how much it costs.

If you have the money, and are not worried about the diminishing returns in amount spent over performance gained, then yes x58 with i7 920/30/50/70/80x will be the faster option, no-one in their right mind would say otherwise.

All the bench-marks show this.. i7 is faster on x58 i7 on p55 wins some, loses some, much of a muchness really, not terrriblt noticable in everyday use.

The difference is in the Motherboard specs between 890fx and p55. 890fx is a better high end option

I stand by my words.. p55 is best left to 750 being best processor for that mid range budget setup, very good performance when matched with a $90/100 Mobo and single GPU.

For only a little more the 890FX 1055t combo puts you into High End with ability for x16x8x8 x8x8x8x8 much more muscle in the GPU sector. Plus the connectivity options are better.

Stepping up a notch the only way forward is the x58 which is the faster solution, but costs start to jump considerably.

No point getting anything other than a good x58 board $250 cheapest i7 $295 and tri channel memory. These all add up to much more than AMD route.

It just seems to me the Amount spent on AMD route is better considering how often technology changes and how often we all upgrade/re-build, will you have gotten the amounts worth you have spent over the time period you spent extra!


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July 11, 2010 11:18:17 AM

Forgot to mention, if money were not an object, I would have 980x on x58 with 12gb 2000+Mhz Ram and 4 256gb SSD dirves running quad 480gts and twin 1200w PSU with nvidia 3d on three screens in a custom made water cooled quad loop silent PC.

Its like my Car.. I could go out and buy a porsche GTR3 it would be faster than my EVO VIII, but it would cost a whole heap more and not be that whole heap faster or practical like the EVO with its full four seats and massive boot.

And the time will come to sell the evo, I will have not lossed as much due to depreciation with lower starting cost.

PC's go through same depreciation over time.. how much would you pay for a $900 pentium extreme p4 chip today! same goes for $980x in 5 years!
Anonymous
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July 11, 2010 11:19:42 AM

Forgot to mention, if money were not an object, I would have 980x on x58 with 12gb 2000+Mhz Ram and 4 256gb SSD dirves running quad 480gtx and twin 1200w PSU with nvidia 3d on three screens in a custom made water cooled quad loop silent PC.

Its like my Car.. I could go out and buy a porsche GTR3 it would be faster than my EVO VIII, but it would cost a whole heap more and not be that whole heap faster or practical like the EVO with its full four seats and massive boot.

And the time will come to sell the Evo, I will not lose as much due to depreciation with lower starting cost.

PC's go through same depreciation over time.. how much would you pay for a $900 pentium extreme p4 chip today! same goes for $980x in 5 years!
July 11, 2010 2:55:48 PM

What Moricon said
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July 11, 2010 3:05:43 PM

I just don't see the point i7 should be on LGA1156? Pointless. i7 on 1156 is a waste of money. You want i7? Go LGA1366. You want 1156 platform? Go i5. 1156 is a midrange platform anyway.

As for the price/performance 1055T wins here.
July 11, 2010 4:19:46 PM

who going for 4 crossfire????you said 890fx because in next year you be able change your cpu easily!!!and will not need to change your mobo!!but if a man want buy pc now and change it next year in my opnion he is a dumb.(or she)cross fire two 5870 is best graphic .there is no big diffrence between CF@16x and CF@8x .ifyou have linke show me the diffrence.you just pay more 130$ and you have a high end pc in gaming!!!and rendering,encoding,and programming!!!there is a big diffrence between them.
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July 12, 2010 5:59:37 AM

iqvl said:
No point in getting a hex that is worse than a quad.

If they are the same price? Yes, which is why the 1090t is an iffy purchase.
But the 1055t is certainly a good deal if you meet the conditions of being an overclocker or a heavy multi-tasker/ use multi-threaded applications. Considering it is only $20 more than the 965. If you don't meet that criteria, then you would be back to the old 955 vs core i5 debate. Where obviously the i5 is more powerful, but the 955 is cheaper.
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July 12, 2010 8:41:05 AM

I have nothing against AMD but I feel that if one wants to keep his current CPU for 2-3 years then the i7 875k is a good choice because even though the LGA 1156 socket does not have the scope for upgrading to the 6 core CPUs, the i7+a good P55 motherboard is better than the X6 from a performance point of view.The i7 875 K is a very powerful CPU anyway and if you do not crossfire/sli or want a 6 core, then the i7 will last for three years at least.It can also be overclocked easily if you feel that you need more power.I firmly believe that in order to spend your money wisely get something that is fastest for what you are willing to spend on it.That way, you will be satisfied with what you have bought and you will not have to get a new processor 6 months after you purchase.Here is a comparison of the i7 870 and the Phenom II x6 1090t:
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/146?vs=107
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July 12, 2010 10:59:11 AM

Alfred, your first post, was a fail already. You just said that the 875k was 40$ more than the 1090T, then you said you actually had to OC it, to beat it. Anyways Moricon is completely right. #4 is the best buy, mobos available to #4 actually run True 16x16x in Crossfire, while when you get the 875k they run either 16x/4x <-- lower end 8x/8x <--- middle and I THINK 16x/8x <--- VERY VERY PRICEY! Also, as stated above by most people, the 1055 can OC easily to 4ghz as well. Competing with the 875k you stated. Not only that. The mobos available to #4 are much cheaper than the 875k if you think about.
July 12, 2010 2:52:57 PM

alfred= noob+fanboy
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July 12, 2010 2:58:14 PM

i would say #4

though i am personally getting #3 (as my board doesn't like a high base clock)

EDIT: mixed up the numbers
July 12, 2010 3:35:27 PM

you must look at same speed to compare two cpu!!!every body in this site know i like amd not intel but i am not a fanboy.but intel i7 875 is much better than amd benchmarks say that.
you just come here and say i am a fanboy.if i am a fanboy then who the hell are you?fanboys always do like this when they have nothing to say.
if you pay just 130$ more over 1055t you have a best pc like if you pay more 80$ over HD 5870 you can buy GTX 480 which is better than 5870.so in my opnion it's a good deal.
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July 12, 2010 5:11:07 PM

Alfred_i said:
.but intel i7 875 is much better than amd benchmarks say that.

No one here has said otherwise.

Alfred_i said:
you just come here and say i am a fanboy.if i am a fanboy then who the hell are you?fanboys always do like this when they have nothing to say.

Who are you talking to? I don't remember anyone calling you a fanboy. And why do you keep swearing all the time?

Alfred_i said:
if you pay just 130$ more over 1055t you have a best pc like if you pay more 80$ over HD 5870 you can buy GTX 480 which is better than 5870.so in my opnion it's a good deal.

I'm confused, which one are you saying is a good deal?
i7 and 5870
i7 and 480
1055t and 480
?
Anonymous
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July 12, 2010 6:12:09 PM

Yeah man, wasted posts here on you alfred..

I mean seriously what the heck are you trying to say!
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July 12, 2010 6:41:56 PM

Quote:
Can't wait for the 1045T to be released.


actually i wouldn't mind the 95w version of the 1055T to be released for everyone (not just OEM's)
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