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May 4, 2010 2:27:36 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: (e.g.: this week (the closer the better))

BUDGET RANGE: up to 1450 before rebates, may go slightly over if needed

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, Watching Videos, Internet, MS office ect.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Complete PC
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: (newegg, or cheaper sites)

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: US

PARTS PREFERENCES: by brand or type (e.g.: I would like to use an AMD CPU & Biostar mobo with a 24" LCD and full tower case)

OVERCLOCKING: Yes
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe

MONITOR RESOLUTION: (1920x1080)

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: last around 5 years for gaming



Currently have:
G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10600CL8D-4GBHK

IN WIN Ironclad Black SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
Sony Optiarc Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD/CD Rewritable Drive - OEM

ASUS VH226H Black 21.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 12000 : 1) Built in Speakers

X4 955 + 5850 ASUS OC'ed

ASUS Crosshair IV Formula - AM3 - AMD 890FX - DDR3 - Republic of Gamers - ATX Motherboard

Totals about $1250

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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 2:38:02 PM

I suggest you follow the guidelines from the link in my signature. I KNOW we can put together a better build than Cyberpower...

A few things that automatically strike me as a bad idea. First, the X2 550 is an expensive CPU that isn't that great. Second, you're replacing a POS PSU with another POS PSU. Sounds like a waste of money to me...
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 4:38:02 PM

^+1.... Go with a custom built PC over a Cyperpower PC.
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May 4, 2010 6:16:12 PM

Yes. I agree. Cyberpower uses cheapo parts. We can put together a build that uses quality parts for either the same price or marginally over.
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May 4, 2010 9:56:31 PM

Well I just don't feel that comfortable assembling a pc from scratch so Cyberpower's service was the most cost effective one that I saw, plus it has the case I wanted. If theres a better site to go to for pre assembled (or partly assembled) computers please tell :) 

Also, how exactly is the 550 BE a bad choice? it provides a decent 3.1 ghz and a possibility to be unlocked to a quad.
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May 4, 2010 10:13:24 PM

Build your own computer, or go with Digital Storm. Their service is incredible, but comes at a price.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 10:18:17 PM

I can't see the windows, it says spoiler to me.

Anyway build your own, build your own, build your own.

How many times have you wanted to fix your own car when something broke? If you built it you would know how to fix it no?


And it's a bad proc because it's a dual not tri or quad. And it has 1 meg cache L2 instead of 2 MB (512x4) as in the 955. More is just better and yes in this case it's worth paying extra for the better proc.

And I don't know what digital storm is but build your own, you'll thank us when you boot up your computer for the first time.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 10:19:08 PM

Don't be scared to build your own. It is not as difficult as you are afraid of. Take a look at my step-by-step guide in my sig. Also, you can reach out to friends or other Tom's members that might live close by to help with the build. For example, I'm near the Greater Cincinnati, Ohio area so I could help out if you are from around there.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 10:32:43 PM

fastx21 said:
I can't see the windows, it says spoiler to me.

Click on the box & the text will appear in the window. :) 
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 10:36:46 PM

Looking at that list it says alot about nothing.

And what's this all about "Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (Corsair or Major Brand)." OR major brand?............................

And a Rosewill psu is not the best way to spend $100.

(Btw I did click it before and nthing was happening, but it works now for some reason :) )
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 10:49:53 PM

< waiting for the Cyberpower rep to show up>

:lol: 

Anyways, +1 for DIY.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 4, 2010 11:03:02 PM

Shadow703793 said:
< waiting for the Cyberpower rep to show up>

:lol: 

Now that would bring about an interesting debate between the Rep & Forum members :lol: 
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May 5, 2010 3:56:33 AM

Alright so I tried buying parts separately and ended up with a more expensive system than that at cyberpower >.<

here is what I've collected so far, Missing a few items too.
http://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0ArcsvUkm3vR-dFl...
some of the items might be of better quality as I suck at comparing parts -.-

I updated my cyberpower config, they don't have a 555 so it looks like I can only go with the 550 or maybe the athlon 635 with a cheaper mobo.
Spoiler

Case: * In-Win Maelstrom Full Tower Gaming Case w/ Sound Absorbing Foam [+57] (Black Color)
Internal USB Extension Module: None
Neon Light Upgrade: None
Extra Case Fan Upgrade: Maximum Enemax 120MM Case Cooling Fans for selected case (Maximum Silent Operation) [+29] (500-1,200 RPM White Color with White LED Twister Bearing 8-14 dBA [+16])
Noise Reduction Technology: None
CPU: AMD Phenom™II X2 550 Black Edition Dual-Core CPU w/ HyperTransport Technology [+44]
Freebies: FREE 4GB MP3 Audio Player
Cooling Fan: Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V Gaming CPU Cooling Fan (Double layer H.D.T. technology for maximum cooling) [+7]
Motherboard: Asus M4A89GTD Pro/USB3 AMD 890GX Chipset Hardware Core Unlocker CrossFireX Support DDR3 Sckt AM3 ATX w/ Built-in ATI HD4290 Graphic, HDMI, DVI, 7.1 HD Audio, GbLAN, IEEE1394, USB3.0, SATA-III, RAID, 1 Gen2 PCIe, 1 PCIe X4, 1 PCIe X1, & 2 PCI [+86]
Motherboard Expansion Card: None
Memory: 4GB (2GBx2) DDR3/1600MHz Dual Channel Memory Module (A-Data Gaming Series with Heat Spreader)
Freebies: None
Video Card: None, or Onboard ATI Radeon 2100 based Integrated Graphics [-52]
Video Card 2: None [-52]
Video Card 3: None
Dedicated PHYSX Card: None
Free Game: None
Multiple Video Card Settings: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
Power Supply Upgrade: 900 Watts Power Supplies [+122] (CoolerMaster Ultimate Circuit PSU UCP - Quad SLI Ready [-26])
Hard Drive: 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD [+18] (Single Hard Drive)
Data Hard Drive: None
Hard Drive Cooling Fan: None
External Hard Drive (USB3.0/2.0/eSATA): None
USB Flash Drive: None
Optical Drive: Sony 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+2] (BLACK COLOR)
Optical Drive 2: None
Sound: ESS 3D WAVETABLE SOUND PCI [+12]
LCD Monitor: None
2nd Monitor: None
Speakers: 600Watts PMPO Subwoofer Stereo Speakers [+15]
Network: Onboard Gigabit LAN Network
Modem: None
Mega Notebook/Netbook/Server Bundle: None
Keyboard: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
Mouse: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
Gaming Gear: None
Extra Thermal Display: None
Wireless 802.11B/G Network Card: Zonet ZEW1642 IEEE 802.11b/g/n Draft 2.0 PCI Wireless Adapter Network Card [+29]
External Wireless Network Card: None
Wireless 802.11 B/G/N Access Point: None
Bluetooth: USB Bluetooth 2.0 Adapter [+10]
Flash Media Reader/Writer: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer [+10] (BLACK COLOR)
Video Camera: None
Headset: Connectland™ Stereo Headphone with Microphone [+8]
Printer: None
Cable: None
Power Protection: None
IEEE1394 Card: None
USB Port: Built-in USB 2.0 Ports
Floppy: None
Operating System: None - FORMAT HARD DRIVE ONLY [-83]
Media Center Remote Control & TV Tuner: None
Office Suite: None
Ultra Care Option: Ultra Enhanced Packaging Solution - Protect Your Dream System During Transit [+19]
Professional Wiring for All WIRING Inside The System Chassis - Minimize Cable Exposure, Maximize Airflow in Your System [+19]
Service: STANDARD WARRANTY: 3-YEAR LIMITED WARRANTY PLUS LIFE-TIME TECHNICAL SUPPORT
Rush Service: NO; READY TO SHIP IN 5~10 BUSINESS DAYS



Thanks for everyone's suggestions, if I can make this cost as much or lower as the cyberpower PC, i'll think of building my own. The bare bones config I have for it is only 850, and thats with max enemax fan upgrades and a 900w power supply (that seems pretty decent)
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2010 1:21:43 PM

So, I'm assuming your budget is $1,450 for everything (tower and monitor, no OS). Here's what you can get if you build it all yourself:

CPU/Mobo: i5-750 and Asus P7P55D-E Pro $375
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $120
GPU: HD 5870 $395
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $85
PSU: Corsair 750W $100 after rebate
Case: HAF 922 $90
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $30
Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p $180 after rebate

Total: $1,395. Leaves some room for the extra crap you probably don't need (wireless, Bluetooth, etc.)

This is massively better than your build. You get a better CPU, a better HSF, better GPU, and quality everything.
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May 5, 2010 8:10:11 PM

Wow, thats a pretty nice build but I've been wanting to get the maelstorm ever since I saw my friends.
1450 is about the max I can spend so I would like to try to get one cheaper, but with more expandability later on.

The gpu, I'm planning to crossfire later on so I figure I might as well save and get a 5850 and then another when it gets cheaper in round 2-4 years

I'm going to keep on part hunting, but if you find some more suggestions using the Maelstorm cast and the 5850 please let me know.
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2010 8:15:05 PM

A quick way to save $100 is to go with an AMD build. This will have no noticeable affect on performance:

CPU/HSF: X4 955 and Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $185
Mobo/GPU: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 and HD 5870 $500 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $120
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $85
PSU: Corsair 750W $100 after rebate
Case: Malestorm $120 (and people call the HAF ugly...)
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $20
Monitor: Asus 23" 1080p $180 after rebate

Total: $1,310
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2010 8:46:30 PM

+1 for MadAdmiral's builds.

Btw, I'm sorry, but that IN WIN case looks like cr@p. Get a HAF 922 or HAF 932 or ANtec 900.
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May 5, 2010 9:54:14 PM

Looks? as in appearance? I don't really care about that, I read some pretty good reviews. BTW I found the i5 for 180 at microcenter. Now I'm not sure how the performance goes between the i5 and the X4 series for gaming, my primary concern? I would like value, but I also want the cpu to last about 4-5 years without an upgrade. (taking overclocking into account also)

http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...

edit: I've been reading on how you can have a dedicated nvidia card for physx working along an ati card with some sort of driver hack, do you need an intel cpu for this and is it worth it? I see what looks like a 50ish% boost for ati cards with physx enabled games
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2010 10:11:39 PM

The i5 is slightly better, but that $20 doesn't overcome the $50 increase in the price for a LGA1156 board, and you'd lose the deals above. If you want to compare builds, the HD 5870 would cost around $400 by itself, and a great i5 board is the Asus P7P55D-E Pro which is usually around $190.

I have no idea on running a hybrid setup. I've never tried it and haven't really seen any configurations that use it. I haven't seen any benchmarks for it or any recommendations.
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May 5, 2010 10:28:38 PM

here is the benchmark for the hybrid setup
http://www.xbitlabs.com/articles/video/display/evga-gtx...
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
What I don't know is if I can incorporate that on an amd board.

I'll play around with the builds you sent me, I think I'll downgrade to the 5850, as that seems cheaper than the bundle.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I also found this, 150 dollar saving O.o
http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 5, 2010 11:05:36 PM

^ For $200, that's a good deal. Do realize that quality X58 boards are a bit more expensive than quality AM3/LGA1156 boards.
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May 5, 2010 11:19:11 PM

Alright I read some reviews on CPU and the 555BE seems to be a good value core+ it may be able to unlock to quad
I have two builds I'm thinking of that differ only by CPU and Mobo
Base build:
Case: Maelstorm: $120
GPU: ASUS HD5850: $320
Cooler Master Hyper 212: $30
SAMSUNG F3 1TB HDD: 85
Sony Optical: $20
ASUS 21.5 5ms 1080p screen: $170
Total: $1,280.00


http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
Newegg Links
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

any suggestions? Cheaper but about same quality alternatives would be nice

edit: I found a cheaper power supply that seems to be of decent quality
Thermaltake TR2 TRX-750M 750W
$75.00
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 6, 2010 1:19:14 AM

No. Don't use the Thermaltake. The Thermaltake PSUs are only so-so in quality. Don't ever skimp on the PSU.
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May 6, 2010 2:20:02 AM

Alright I have another option for it
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
it got good reviews from http://www.hardwaresecrets.com/article/955/10 although it just barley makes 80 bronze apparently

The intel system looks solid to me, only bad part is that I have to fork over some more for an compatible mobo :( 
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
this one looks like a good deal for me, lowest one that supports usb 3.0 and crossfire.
Is getting usb3.0 and sata3 compatibility worth it?
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 6, 2010 12:16:33 PM

For the PSU, stick to Corsair, Antec, SeaSonic and Silverstone to make sure you get a good unit. There are some others that are decent out there, but these are generally the cheapest quality units.

As for that board, I don't really know a whole lot about that specific unit. I do usually try to avoid ASRock because they're a budget manufacturer. I tend to stick to Gigabyte and Asus to ensure quality. Generally, the cheapest X58 board I recommend is the Gigabyte GA-X58A-UD3R for around $210.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 6, 2010 2:21:45 PM

^+1 on the PSU.

As for Motherboard, I too recommend sticking to ASUS or Gigabyte. However, the cheapest board I recommend is the P6T SE ($200 after MIR @Newegg).
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May 6, 2010 9:34:59 PM

I don't need specifics about that particular motherboard but whether usb 3.0 and sata3 is worth spending a bit more.


Alright, I'm currently weighing these two right now, I'll stick with the budget motherboard as it seems just fine to me.

i7 930 - $200
ASRock Motherboard $190

or go amd using a X4 965
X4 965BE: $182
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

still deciding on a motherboard for this, but may range $130-$160ish.
I've also found what looks like a really nice high performance motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


I've poured though reviews and I don't see much disparity between the 965 and the i7 930 at higher resolutions for gaming so I may lean toward the amd build.

should I start another thread since this isn't anymore about cyberpower, or just rename the title and edit the 1st post?

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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 6, 2010 9:51:25 PM

USB 3/SATA III is a toss up. You'd save $20-30 by getting a board without it, but you will certainly need it later. If you don't get it onboard, you'd need to buy an expansion card to use the next devices, which will cost you about $20-30. So you don't really save anything by getting a non-USB 3/SATA III board.

There isn't a lot of difference between CPUs for gaming. The more important part is the GPU. So you should get a cheaper CPU if you can afford a bigger GPU.

I'm failing to see what's wrong with the build I suggested above. The 965 is just a factory overclocked 955 and charges you $20+ for it. Also, the board I linked to is a better choice than the Crosshair simply because it's $100 less and doesn't sacrifice anything.
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May 6, 2010 10:17:52 PM

oh there's nothing wrong with it :D  i'm just looking at all the possibilities.

The Asus motherboard looks very feature filled and I think will work better when I get another 5850 card later, but the one you suggest is a nice alternative. I want to get something that will last for awhile and it just caught my interests.

So the 965 is just a 955 overclocked, nothing worth looking at? I guess I'll take up the 955 then if thats the case

edit: yep, I think I will take the 955, they have a combo that suites me just fine.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

The Asus motherboard still looks very appealing to me, as it can handle 2 cars at x16 with a load of other features



edit: I did come calculations and the total for a 955 build with the asus mobo is around $1250
I feel that I will be needing some better quality speakers for its built in sound card to work, any ideas? around $50 or lower would be best but can go higher

thanks for all your advice so far!
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 6, 2010 11:33:14 PM

16x/16x doesn't really matter. It's a 4% performance gain over 8x/8x, and the cost is typically inflated by $50 for it. I should also point out that 4% gain is only noticeable when you use 5970s, which is just excessive.

As far the "other" features the Crosshair has, they're not really worth anything. The board can take RAM up to 2000 mhz, but anything over 1600 mhz is a waste of money. Even if you overclock everything to the maximum level and still have it stable, you don't get anywhere near that speed. The 890 chipset is nice, but all it really gives you is the ability to drop a X6 CPU in the build without a BIOS update. You won't need a six core CPU for a long, long time (like the life of the build), and any AM3 board could use a six core CPU, you just need to update the BIOS. The only other thing that's really different is the onboard audio, which the standard onboard sound is already so good that you really can't tell the difference even against $100 sound cards.
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May 7, 2010 1:43:31 AM

I'm still deciding between PSUsand I'll look into both types of motherboards, a friend has a surround sound system that's a few years old that that he doesn't need (didn't mention model), factoring that in, the inclusion of a sound card worth it?

I think I'm pretty happy with the rest of my build, except for the shipping costs of some T.T. Know anywhere else thats cheaper than newegg? I'm around the marietta, GA area if that helps.

If there are a few alternatives better for the please keep suggesting them.

Edit: also do all my parts match up correctly and will I have everything I need to build a computer? (maybe should get some cable managment for my case too)
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 3:24:03 AM

A sound card is not really worth it. Like I said, onboard sound is very, very good. I would at least see what it sounds like and if you can actually tell that it's not the best, buy a sound card to stick in it later.

That build is not compatible. You choose the i7-930 and an LGA1156 board. The CPU doesn't fit that board. Also, the RAM is dual channel, which matches the board, but not the CPU. After that, you got an extremely poor quality board.

Frankly, I would go with the build I posted above. Or since you might be near a Microcenter (you can't order from them online), grab a cheap i5-750 and an Asus P7P55D-E Pro.
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May 7, 2010 5:35:27 PM

So are you suggesting I go with intel or amd?
As I've mentioned, this system won't be updated until around 5 years later (unless I really have to), primary for gaming
I've read many cpu reviews but still deciding which one is best for my targeted time frame.

I'm leaning torwards amd atm as they seem to have nice combos that do save me a bundle
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

Current Config for amd is
IN WIN Ironclad Black SECC Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive

Sony Optical Black 24X DVD

ASUS VH226H Black 21.5" 2ms(GTG) HDMI Widescreen 16:9 Full HD 1080P LCD Monitor 300 cd/m2 1000:1 (ASCR 12000 : 1) Built in Speakers

X4 955 + 5850 ASUS OC'ed (they have the non oc one 20 dollars cheaper but the combo is -30 so I save 10 bucks

Antec TruePower New TP-750 750W Continuous Power ATX12V V2.3 / EPS12V V2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply

G.SKILL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model F3-10666CL8D-4GBHK

ASUS M4A Pro + Coolmaster 212

Totals around $1208
reasonable?


I am near a microcenter so that would not be a problem. Only factor is that after tax, some of the parts(not the i5) are more expensive than newegg, which may be worth it depending on how newegg ships it. I've read some reviews describing how UPS isn't exactly the most reliable way to go.

Since I haven't bought anything that really needed it on newegg till now, when should I spend the extra 10 or so dollars for protective shipping?




btw I'm ordering the monitor either this sun or sat(deal expires then), but can wait till the 1st of june to purchase some of the other parts if that changes anything.
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 5:45:23 PM

Either is fine. The benefit of AMD right now is the cheaper prices and better future proofing as Intel is getting ready to move to a new socket. That said, if you get the i5 or i7, you won't need to upgrade in the five years or so.

Those are a couple of good combos, but keep in mind that the X4 955 performs a little worse compared to the i5. Since you're near a Microcenter, I would recommend checking out their i5 and board deals, as they tend to be a lot cheaper. Go in with a few specific boards in mind to compare the price to Newegg. I would buy everything else off newegg though.

I have never had a problem with Newegg shipping (or UPS for that matter), so I don't think the shipping insurance is worth it.
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May 7, 2010 6:04:25 PM

I updated my last post with what I'm currently using for my amd config, which is what i think I will be going with

Apart from these what are the other supplies I need or should have when I build a computer? I know I need some screwdrivers and the wrist-strap, anything else?

edit: I can't seem to find their combo deals for the i5, only see the link for parts that are "important addons"
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 6:07:39 PM

You don't need an anti-static wrist band. Just make sure you ground yourself before you touch anything. I don't think you'll need anything besides what's listed.

About the only thing I would change is the RAM. Get either the Ripjaws I linked to above or these G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1333 mhz CAS Latency 7 for $115. These will both be faster than the sticks you choose, with the first set being better for overclocking.
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May 7, 2010 6:09:40 PM

I know i'm nitpicking over a few dollars here but what exactly is the benefit of lower cas latency and timing + higher frequency? I know that its faster but what does that affect?

You don't need any other tools to install?
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 6:21:16 PM

It effects pretty much everything, but it's most noticeable if you're doing very instensvie computational work. And it is LITERALLY $1. The second set actually saves you $4...

Nope. Just a screwdriver.
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May 7, 2010 6:48:48 PM

alright looks like I'm set. I'll get the second set as I really don't need to overclock my ram.


I noticed that the 890 motherboard has a built in integrated HD4290. anything I can do with it or does it just take up space?

I also noticed that my motherboard has a set of x16 dedicated to usb 3.0, not sure if it will come off but I may be able to get a dual x16 when I crossfire :D 
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a c 84 B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 6:51:22 PM

It doesn't take any space, but it's not that useful. You can potentially run a monitor off it separately and not tax the GPU more, but it's mostly used for non-gaming builds that don't need any special graphics power or for troubleshooting.
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a b B Homebuilt system
May 7, 2010 6:54:29 PM

The integrated graphics doesn't take up space, it's within the chips on the board itself. All of the 890 non-enthusiast boards have integrated graphics, so there isn't really an option to get a board of the same generation without spending more money.
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May 7, 2010 7:04:50 PM

I'm not familiar with running on more than one screen, does this potential two screen setup mean I can have two screens display a game without any loss in framerate? I'd have to get an insanely long hdmi cable to reach my tv but it would be neat when doing a lan party.
but other than that. nothing much I can use it for eh?

Also I'm not sure how the hdmi capabilities work for a pc. does only the graphics card need to support it or does both the motherboard and the graphics card need to have it?
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May 7, 2010 7:10:34 PM

No, the integrated graphics would not be used to display the game. It could be used for a separate display, and really, integrated graphics isn't good for much more than browser-based flash games.

However, the 5850 you have selected can support up to 3 screens on its own, but obviously the frame rate will suffer. This is called Eyefinity, an AMD technology that allows you to game on up to 3 (or up to 6 with certain cards) screens as one view.

EDIT: Beaten to the punch by MadAdmiral, as per usual.
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May 7, 2010 7:11:43 PM

No. You can run something on two screens, but you will lose the framerate. A LOT of framerate actually. It's basically just running the game at a higher resolution. If you have two 1920x1080 monitors, when you use a single one, you'd have a resolution of 1920x1080. If you had two, it would be 3840x1080.

Either way, onboard graphics won't be enough to play games. The monitor you could run off it could be used for watching movies or displaying the desktop or other minor tasks.

That said, the 5xxx series cards can support up to 3 monitors (some of them can do six), so you could play some games on what is essentially a single massive monitor. It's called Eyefinity. You will lose a lot of FPS and in most cases it isn't really feasible or advisable.

It depends on what output your using. You'll want to use the GPU output, in which case, the GPU's outputs detemine what connection type you use. If you were using onboard graphics, the motherboards output would determine it. That's why you can run a single monitor off the board and then a different monitor (or several different ones ala Eyefinity) off the GPU.
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May 7, 2010 7:25:01 PM

ah so that's why motherboards sometimes feature hdmi support, it only uses an IGP for it.
thanks for answering my questions, I'll be buying my parts this weekend. I take it there's no point in waiting till the end of the month?

edit: if I plan to overclock is my cooling alright, no need for better thermal paste/case fans? It gets pretty hot here in Georgia in the summer but I don't plan to go too extreme.
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May 7, 2010 7:33:09 PM

If you've got time, I would watch the deals. Check the combos and daily deals for good prices, but I wouldn't expect anything to really shake up prices right now.

You're fine if you want to OC. The Hyper 212 is one of the best HSF out there. Aftermarket thermal paste is unnecessary unless you plan on trying to get an extremely massive overclock. Extra case fans are pretty much always unnecessary.
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May 7, 2010 7:51:06 PM

Great! thanks for your help! Looks like I'm all set then.

I'll continue to look for better deals but if you see anything that's a great deal let me know. If you see better but about the same priced components like the ram, I'll consider those as well

I still need a mouse as mine is about 2-4 years old and batteries are getting worn out and the charging connect is wearing out.
My old mouse was a logitec mx laser M-RAG97 and it'll be nice to have the same weight as I'm used to it but otherwise no biggie.

If there is a nice keyboard with a palm rest, I'll consider those two. Max budget for them is around $75 with priority on the mouse.
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May 7, 2010 8:05:10 PM

The problem with suggesting keyboards and mice is that everyone is different. What I may like best might be extremely uncomfortable for you. I'd suggest going into a parts store (Staples or Best Buy would do) and trying out some mice. Then either buy them in store or find the same models online.
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May 7, 2010 8:09:50 PM

makes sense, I'll do that.
Should be all that I need, I guess all that's left is to read up on guides
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