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May 4, 2010 8:50:32 PM

Hello I would like to pass this build by you guys.
I am building this computer to double as a HTPC (read: super quiet) and a gaming computer... and i use linux a lot

CPU:
210$ = i5-750

Storage:
100$ = Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EARS 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
Old SATA 3Gb/s 500GB drive
Old PATA 80GB for OSs

GPU:
80$ = MSI N250GTS Twin Frozr GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card

Memory:
122$ = GeIL 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10660) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model GV34GB1333C7DC

Case + PSU:
My old Antec P182
Antec NeoHE 560W

MOBO:
140$ = GIGABYTE GA-P55A-UD3 LGA 1156 Intel P55 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard

FANS:
20$ = Scythe KQ01-BK-3.5 "KAZE Q" Fan Controller
50$ = Slipstream fan replacements for quietness

Cooling:
50$ = Scythe Mugen-2 (great for low noise cooling)

TOTAL: 770$

Does this seem good, am I wasting money anywhere?
AS a note i was very suprised by the cost of this system.

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May 4, 2010 9:14:43 PM

You're wasting money on Intel. You should get a cheaper CPU and a better GPU. Here's what I'd build (based on what you need and spent):

CPU: X3 440 and Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $114
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 $80 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $120
GPU: HD 5850 $305
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 1 TB $80
Boot Drive: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55

Total: $754

The reason I included a new boot drive is that an older drive is going to be extremely slow. Use the 500 GB as boot/app drive or just get a single 1 TB and use it for everything.
May 4, 2010 10:46:14 PM

my issue with the 5850card is that the power consumption will be higher than the 250 i beleive... Since im trying to make my computer quiet (inaudible) i need to keep consumption down.
But it is hard to get power consumption comparisons between the two.

the ram i had was 1333 @ 1.5V vs your 1600 @ 1.65V, wouldnt that make the lower voltage ram more overclockable/ lower power consumption? (i know that wasnt listed) Someone else told me this in another post.

also since i dont know the AMD sockets does the AM3 work the same for all the AM3 processors or does it need odd chipsets for different processors?

and it would be 870$ because I would still need the fans/controller... actually with the higher power GPU i would need about 40$ GPU cooler, making 860$

but i wont buy those HDD (saving 30$ from original) running running the OS and my apps on one fast drive be faster than OS on a slow drive and Apps on a fast one??
I will still buy the WD15EARS 1.5TB, it is highly regarded for its acoustics
(That review is for the EADS but the EARS has a firmware change to remove aggressive parking which drastically reduces performance)
I just plan to use that drive for storage so the fact that its 5400RPM is fine.
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May 5, 2010 12:18:27 AM

The 5850 will be a lot quieter. And a lot more powerful. If you're still concerned, drop it to the HD 5770.

RAM matters very little to power consumption. Whether or not it matters to overclocking is undecided, as the faster sticks start with a headstart. If you don't mind paying a little extra for the lower voltage, there are G.Skill Eco sticks with the same specs, just lower voltage.

All AM3 boards will accept all AM3 CPUs. Some boards may need a BIOS update though.

You don't need a GPU cooler. It works just fine with the stock cooler. The 5xxx series is extremely cool running, quiet and have very low power consumption.

Running the OS by itself doesn't really make a difference. The thing that makes the difference is that the newer drives are much, much, much faster than older ones. They're even noticeably faster than drives that are just slightly older.

You also realize that in the link you posted, the two drives put out the same noise, right? The Caviar Green put out 29 dBa (or 2.9 Ba) and the Seagate put out 2.9 Ba (29 dBA). Also, the have about the same amount of power consumption. Seems to me you're going to trade off a lot for getting the name "Green"...

May 5, 2010 12:34:17 AM

What's your budget? The i5-750 is way better for gaming than the x3 or x4. (I speak from personal experience on that.) You can save money buy going with a Biostar motherboard, the T5XE CFX+SLI is big bang for the buck, and is currently 89.99 at Fry's:

http://www.frys.com/product/6007298?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

I would agree that the 5770 or even better the 5850 will get you much better performance than a GTS 250.

Good luck!!
May 5, 2010 12:37:42 AM

goatsword said:
What's your budget? The i5-750 is way better for gaming than the x3 or x4. (I speak from personal experience on that.) You can save money buy going with a Biostar motherboard, the T5XE CFX+SLI is big bang for the buck, and is currently 89.99 at Fry's:

http://www.frys.com/product/6007298?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN...

I would agree that the 5770 or even better the 5850 will get you much better performance than a GTS 250.

Good luck!!



He wants a HTPC and gaming computer. Id say that AMD is probably the way to go.
May 5, 2010 12:44:49 AM

The big thing I've noticed, by going from AMD x4 to the i5-750 is minimum FPS. I have seen a huge improvement in BC2, Dawn of War II, and in benchmarks such as Cinebench and Passmark etc. Huge improvements. Same 5870, same drivers etc. for 300 you can have an i5-750 and a Biostar. Sure you can go with an X3 and a 770 chipset mobo, but why not spend a little more and get better results?

Just my $.02, thanks.
May 5, 2010 12:49:43 AM

For his $800 AMD and 5850 is his best bet. Certainly I5-750 and a 5870 are better but it's not what he can afford.
May 5, 2010 12:51:23 AM

We dont know how much he can spend, he didn't say.
May 5, 2010 12:53:23 AM

Going on his $770 total, but you're right goatsword.
But just by his conservative parts choice I'm betting 8 bills was the upper tier. :) 
May 5, 2010 12:57:23 AM

goatsword said:
The big thing I've noticed, by going from AMD x4 to the i5-750 is minimum FPS. I have seen a huge improvement in BC2, Dawn of War II, and in benchmarks such as Cinebench and Passmark etc. Huge improvements. Same 5870, same drivers etc. for 300 you can have an i5-750 and a Biostar. Sure you can go with an X3 and a 770 chipset mobo, but why not spend a little more and get better results?

Just my $.02, thanks.



But for 150-180 you can get a X3 and a mobo or possibly a Athlon II X4 which is all you really need for gaming, and then you can spend between 120-150 more on a better video card. If his budget affords an i5 I would say you are right, he should get an i5. (assuming all he cares about is performance instead of his soul ;)  )
May 5, 2010 12:57:49 AM

You're probably right. :)  I've been there myself. Trying to squeeze as much performance as you can into a build is nerve-wracking. I spent ~300 on a 790XTA-UD4 and a 955 originally. For the same money, I am much happier with my i5-750 setup.

Respectfully,

goat
May 5, 2010 1:06:41 AM

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
$54.99

DIAMOND 5850PE51G Radeon HD 5850 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
$304.99

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-4GBRL
$109.99


Combo : This is a hell of a deal considering the case and PSU are highly rated

Antec EarthWatts EA650 650W Continuous Power ATX12V Ver.2.2 / EPS12V version 2.91 SLI Certified CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS Certified Active PFC "compatible with Core i7/Core i5" Power Supply
Antec Three Hundred Illusion Black Steel ATX Mid Tower Computer Case
$114.98


Combo : This is all you need to game on and it allows you to fit a 5850 into the mix. You may be able to get a different motherboard for a similar price.

GIGABYTE GA-770TA-UD3 AM3 AMD 770 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
AMD Athlon II X3 440 Rana 3.0GHz Socket AM3 95W Triple-Core Desktop Processor Model ADX440WFGIBOX
$160.98

Subtotal: $745.93
May 5, 2010 7:32:09 PM

OK I have been looking and thinking a lot and I think this is what I have come up with based on your suggestions

CPU:
80$ = X3-440 (AMD is impressive afterall)
30$ Coolermaster hyper cooler + 20$ fans (need 2 120mm 1200rpm kaze PWM fans to get high enough pressure at low rpm for good cooling)
based on fin spacing i think this might be able to do as well as the mugen2, hopefully, its 20$ cheaper and comes with a crappy fan.

Storage:
100$ = Western Digital Caviar Green WD15EARS 1.5TB SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
the drive is the quietest by far http://www.silentpcreview.com/article1004-page5.html
the 29 dBa is the manufacturers readings, and this site does a lot of testing comparing drives, this way the quietest the`ve tested, also note the low level of vibration, making less noise induced in a case
Old SATA 3Gb/s 500GB drive


GPU:
80$ = MSI N250GTS Twin Frozr GeForce GTS 250 512MB 256-bit GDDR3 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
Ill stick with this the deal is great, I was considering using SLI but the cooler i plan to use, uses 2 pci slots and with an SLI system i would have no mobo left :( 
Artic Accelero S1 rev2 30$ + 20$ for 2 92mm nexus fans

Memory:
120$ = G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7

Case + PSU:
My old Antec P182 + 20$ fan swap, 1200rpm, 120mm slipstreams
Antec NeoHE 560W + 10$ PSU fan swap, 1600rpm, 120mm slipstream

MOBO:
80$ Gigabyte GA-770TA-UD3 $80 after rebate
Im dumbfounded how much cheaper this is than the P55

FANS:
20$ = Scythe KQ01-BK-3.5 "KAZE Q" Fan Controller

TOTAL: 620$

I know this GPU card is crap compared to the 5850 but NVIDIA has WAYYYY better linux drivers, and this deal is awesome... Ill just wait a few years and toss a new card on which should match the awesomeness of my X3-440

Does this make sense?
May 5, 2010 7:54:59 PM

Everything but the GPU. I would also hold off on all the fans until you actually hear what everything sounds like. You might be surprised at how quiet it is...

May 6, 2010 5:05:51 AM

hmmm, i understand that the gts-250 sucks in comparison to the x3-440
would the 5770 be adequate?
Im afraid to use that since dual-screening on my linux machine will probably be impossible... literally, ATI linux drivers are horrible, and I use linux 90% of the time.

another question, the mobo you recommended doesnt say it supports 1600 memory, can I still use 1600 memory? 1866(OC)(Note 2)/1333/1066 MHz memory modules
May 6, 2010 12:19:04 PM

I haven't used Linux extensively, but I would do a little looking on the driver issues. ATI used to have a lot of drivers issues a number of years ago, but many of them have been ironed out since AMD bought them.

The 1866 mhz is the fastest speed the board accepts. The 1333/1066 is what the sticks will default to. You'll need to set the speed, timings and voltage manually to make sure the RAM is running to the specs. You should do this for any build, so it's not really something to be concerned about.
May 7, 2010 2:58:41 AM

im looking into it, this is one comment in a thread that I thought was funny

Quote:
I was about to get an ATI, but then I realized I've been using nvidia cards for the last five years because catalyst was so traumatizing. I'm so glad I've had these five years with nvidia, id prolly be dead or in jail if I had to deal with catalyst this whole time.


Ill update you, when i figure out its doable. There are many instances of people who are great with linux just being totally unable to get dual screen, regardless of time/skill.
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