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Core i7 860+ GTX 480 (or HD 5870) or Core i5 750+HD 5970?

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May 5, 2010 12:32:31 AM

My budget has increased and I just want to know which is the better deal. I will be mainly gaming along with Photoshopping, encoding, and schoolwork. What do you guys think?
May 5, 2010 12:38:03 AM

what is your res, budget, ect use sticky but personaly i would go for 5870. 5970 is over priced and i don't like nvidia. lol
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May 5, 2010 2:23:50 AM

Resolution- 1080p
Budget- $1300 (I have everything else picked out, I just want to know how to config the graphics card and processor)
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May 5, 2010 3:59:37 AM

Personally, i dont plan on doing eyefinity, its out of my price range and id rather put the cash into hardware.
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May 5, 2010 4:31:51 AM

I guess you're right.. you will never have enough money in the future to buy two more monitors......(slaps forehead).
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May 5, 2010 4:42:42 AM

brennon7 said:
I guess you're right.. you will never have enough money in the future to buy two more monitors......(slaps forehead).

hahaha

As far as your question - get the 5970 with the i5 - bigger diff in gaming and u will notice it more and more in the future with this set up.
just wondering what your running for 1300 if you get a 5970.... that leaves u at most 650 for the rest of your parts.
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May 5, 2010 11:47:49 AM

Im getting some parts paid for so i have more cash to put into other stuff, an i just wanted to know if the 5970 was actually worth it now or if i could just get a 5870 now and crossfire later.
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May 5, 2010 11:51:52 AM

If your comp is a standard 1920 x 1080 I would go with the 5870, the 5970 is overkill for that kind of monitor resolution. So unless you are going the Eyefinity route that 5970 is a whole lot of power for very little reason, seems like a lot of money spent without the benefit
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May 5, 2010 2:22:29 PM

asteldian said:
If your comp is a standard 1920 x 1080 I would go with the 5870, the 5970 is overkill for that kind of monitor resolution. So unless you are going the Eyefinity route that 5970 is a whole lot of power for very little reason, seems like a lot of money spent without the benefit


Very true...I did have one 5850 with an i5 750 and I could MAX out every game with AA at 1080p. The only one I couldn't was Crysis.

So...I would get a the cards in this order 5970...GTX 480....5870...GtX 470...5850... But all those will be fine at 1080p
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May 5, 2010 8:00:46 PM

nvidia cards should not be even be an option for your build. they have a terrible combination of price/performance, while ati has three excellent performers at three different price points. the ati cards are quieter, cooler, and use much less power.

also the i7-860 is a bad choice. the i5 has better performance for gaming and is cheaper, and if you need hyperthreading the 930 is a small bump in price and much faster.

in the end, the i5 with a 5870 or a 5970 will be great for games at your resolution. if you decide to go with the 5870 you may be able to fit in an i7-930 into your budget.

good luck with your build!
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May 5, 2010 8:09:31 PM

whatelsematters said:
nvidia cards should not be even be an option for your build. they have a terrible combination of price/performance, while ati has three excellent performers at three different price points. the ati cards are quieter, cooler, and use much less power.

also the i7-860 is a bad choice. the i5 has better performance for gaming and is cheaper, and if you need hyperthreading the 930 is a small bump in price and much faster.

in the end, the i5 with a 5870 or a 5970 will be great for games at your resolution. if you decide to go with the 5870 you may be able to fit in an i7-930 into your budget.

good luck with your build!


the only part of this i agree with is the nvidia part...

the 860 is an amazing processor, and seeing that he doesnt need 6gb of Ram, he has no reason to go to it, hes gonna spend more money for things he will see 0 difference in.

The i5 and i7 are both pretty future proof for gaming, they will last you prob 3-4 years. if your budget allows it get the 5970, it will last you prob 3-4 years as well and when you buy that card, you hvae the comfort of knowing, it cant get better than this, i can play anything i want with everything turned up and its gonna look better than anything around.
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May 5, 2010 8:34:15 PM

here are some gaming numbers for the i7 860 vs the i5 750. there is a tiny difference here.

the reason why the 860 is not a good choice is because it is nearly $100 MORE than the i5 750, for a very tiny performance increase.

so no, the 860 is NOT an amazing processor, at least when it comes to gaming.
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May 5, 2010 9:01:15 PM

I do do encoding and Photoshopping as well as video editing, thats why i have the i7 860 in there.
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May 5, 2010 9:05:20 PM

and i'm saying if you need hyperthreading, you'll get much more "bang for your buck" or whatever if you buy a 930. you don't NEED 6gb of ram and a faster processor, but it's a much more logical choice than an under-powered and still expensive 860. but whatever, it's your money.
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May 5, 2010 9:58:00 PM

You do realize that it's an extra $200 to get a decent X58 motherboard and a set of triple channel memory modules, right? I just don't have that kind of money, and unless you can cook up a CPU/mobo/RAM combo that can fit my budget, I'll kindly eat my words.

Edit:

Eating my words, I found an X58 setup that's within my price range... Now to decide what graphics card to pair it with... Any suggestions? GTX 480? 470? HD 5870? 5850? (The addition of the X58 setup now rules out the 5970, plus it was just pointless anyway)
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May 5, 2010 10:57:55 PM

i would get the 5870 if you can fit it in to your budget. the 5850 (which i have!) is great also if you don't feel that the speed increase is worth the price difference. i run 1900x1200 (with an i5-750) and i can max almost every game. metro 2033 is an exception, but then again i haven't overclocked my video card at all, either.

once again, the nvidia cards are overpriced, use tons of power, and are loud and hot. unless they come down quite a bit in price the ati cards are just a better value at the moment.
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May 5, 2010 10:58:50 PM

go with i7 860 and 5870!
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May 5, 2010 11:07:31 PM

the 5870 remains the better choice for the reasons i've already mentioned. the nvidia cards are hotter, louder, less power efficient, and the cost isn't justified by their performance.
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May 5, 2010 11:27:35 PM

I would go with the i5-750 and the xfx 5870 black edition if your main use is gaming since video games now are almost 100% gpu dependent. The 5970 is overkill and extremely priciy unless you want to play crysis with all settings maxed out and get high fps. If you will be spending more time with Photoshop and encoding, then an i7 860 or an i7 930 would be a better choice for you.
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May 5, 2010 11:27:53 PM

I will be spending some amount of time with PS and encoding, but it's predominantly gaming and overclocking. Is there that much of a difference between the i7 860 and the i7 930 (is it worth forking up the cash for a more expensive mobo and triple channel memory?)?
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May 5, 2010 11:56:39 PM

blu3flannel said:
I will be spending some amount of time with PS and encoding, but it's predominantly gaming and overclocking. Is there that much of a difference between the i7 860 and the i7 930 (is it worth forking up the cash for a more expensive mobo and triple channel memory?)?


yes, because you're talking about a totally different socket. the 1156 socket, which is the socket for the 860, doesn't really have much of a future. intel has, as least as far as you will be concerned upgrade-wise, ended its development on this socket. the 930 is based around a 1366 socket, which is better for several reasons, including full 16x/16x gpu support and intel's new hex-core processors. basically, it's a good option for future upgradeability (which you sacrifice by going with 1156) and excellent performance now.
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May 6, 2010 1:33:12 AM

Dude, youre on fire; this the second best answer im giving you. Im just gonna go with an i7 930 and 5870 and upgrade to another. Thanks for talking me out of the GTX 480, i looked up some other stuff and found it wasnt really all that great for the price. If anyone else wants to post feel free, but ive pretty much made up my mind.
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May 6, 2010 1:36:19 AM

Best answer selected by blu3flannel.
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May 6, 2010 1:49:23 AM

uhh, yes everything he said is right, but the 1366 socket is likely going to be replaced lol...so no future proof, you would have to do the amd 1090T for a lot of future proofness. and yeah, 1090T+ 5870 would probs be the best.
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May 6, 2010 2:15:24 AM

Yeah, but the i7 930 smashes the 1090t, even when the 1090t is overclocked. Also, i usually just do a complete rebuild every 2-3 years, so ill just OC the i7 to 4GHz and ride the time out.
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May 6, 2010 2:17:43 AM

uhhh, ya sure about that? the 1090T is technically the better cpu right now, i7 wins in 1/3 of the synthetics, 1090T 2/3, i7 wins 2/3 gaming, amd 1090T 1/3 (but rising, as more games utilize multi core.) however, a 1090T build is cheaper, cooler, uses less power, and is much more future proof. performance is split pretty down the middle, but most of the other parts go to the 1090T, making it a overall better cpu.
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May 6, 2010 2:21:06 AM

whatelsematters said:
yes, because you're talking about a totally different socket. the 1156 socket, which is the socket for the 860, doesn't really have much of a future. intel has, as least as far as you will be concerned upgrade-wise, ended its development on this socket. the 930 is based around a 1366 socket, which is better for several reasons, including full 16x/16x gpu support and intel's new hex-core processors. basically, it's a good option for future upgradeability (which you sacrifice by going with 1156) and excellent performance now.


It's ashame that you already selected the best answer. :non: 

Here is what you need to look at right now...
Future of motherboards/current new stuff = USB 3.0, SATA 3, True Crossfire at 16x, Hex+ core CPUs
1366 = USB 3.0, SATA 3, True Crossfire at 16X, Hex+ Core CPUs
1156 = USB 3.0, SATA 3

Will you use true crossfire 16x - Not if you get a 5970, and very possibly not if you get a 5870
Will you use a Hex Core+ CPU - You wont need one from the time that 1366 is the best, as the last post said, a new socket is on its way
The advantage of 16x crossfire is completely taken away when using SATA 3 6.0GB Drives and Crossfire at the same time.
Your performance will be far greater with a 860 and a 5970, and it will last MUCH longer for gaming, then the above.
The CPUs you are looking at are so far ahead of bottle necking games right now that its insane - games are running mainly on your graphics card now.
Anyone who has been building computers FOR gaming knows, the first thing that gets outdated is your Video Card, it happened when HL2 came out, it happened when crysis hit (only because it was coded FAIL).
Here is what things will look like in a couple years

You hear about this amazing Crysis 3 :o  game coming out, you want it so bad, but you purchased a computer 3 years ago w/ a 5870 graphics card, O SHOOT, i either need to crossfire it, or buy an entire new video card.... what do i do? YOU BUY A 5970 for the extra 200 dollars more than the 5870. Is 650 expensive, hell yes, is it expensive when you think about you are getting two 400 dollar 5870s in one? No.

Im not sure where you live, but microcenter has i7860s for only 199.99 - should be maybe 25.00 more than the i750 :hello: 
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May 6, 2010 2:30:44 AM

^not entirely true, for one, i find the 860 a waste of money, go 930, 750, or 1090T. second, on asus motherboards, they have a better implementation of U3S6, and therefore S6 and dual x16 crossfire can coexist peacefully, as compared to say, a gigabyte board. second, the loss from going from x16 to x8 is 4%, so not much at all. and speaking of the crysis 3, if they follow up with how crysis usually is, its probs gonna utilize multi core cpus much better, so just like bad field bad company 2, handbreak, and some other new games that just came out, the 1090T beats the 930 in gaming. 1156 is, and was never future proof, 1366 is going the same way if intel does what it wants to, but am3, thats gonna stick around for a while, and when it does go, it will be backwards, forwards, and sideways compatible with the new cpus :lol: 
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May 6, 2010 2:35:11 AM

Did you not read that I completely replace my build every two-three years? Sure, ill get a hexacore when it comes out for 1366, but when i cant run games anymore i just rebuild. Like now, for instance. I can barely run BC2 so im rebuilding. Its easier plus you get the latest and greatest instead of wasting all that money upgrading upgrading until you cant anymore, waiting two-three years and THEN rebuilding. Thats why im not too concerned with future-proofing because the cycle will just happen again in three years or so.
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May 6, 2010 2:37:02 AM

1090T beats i7 930 by quite a bit in BC2, since its able to utilize more cores. and the 1090T is still better, not even including the future proofing.
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May 6, 2010 2:55:54 AM

If i OC the i7 to 4Ghz, it will dominate the 1090T. On the other hand, if i OC the 1090T to 4Ghz, it will edge out the i7. Hmmm, decisions, decisions...
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May 6, 2010 8:32:04 AM

Futureproof is a bullshit word in computers. You build a good system to last 2-3 years, maybe stretch it 4 with OCing then you move on with the latest technology by replacing your parts. Build for what will work and last you until the next overhaul of technology. Hell, I have never had a computer last me so short a time that my parts were compatible come the time for upgrading.

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May 6, 2010 11:27:22 AM

exactly, the 1090T actually beats the 975 and 980x in quite a few things when oc'ed, and beats the i7 @ 4 when it is @ 4. and sure, tech changes every few minutes, but by buying a 890fx am3 mobo, he can keep that for his next build, saving him money.
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May 6, 2010 11:43:45 AM

True, i do have a few games i need to buy. Hmm. So the 1090t does better than the i7 when its OCed?
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May 6, 2010 5:04:58 PM

where exactly are u finding the 1090T to be cheaper? its 100 dollars more at microcenter.... and around the same price as the 930 everywhere else. ...
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May 6, 2010 6:52:39 PM

Well, with the chipset and dual channel memory i suppose it would be cheaper...
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May 6, 2010 7:06:40 PM

blu3flannel said:
I will be spending some amount of time with PS and encoding, but it's predominantly gaming and overclocking. Is there that much of a difference between the i7 860 and the i7 930 (is it worth forking up the cash for a more expensive mobo and triple channel memory?)?


If you wnat to be future proof for upgrading I would go with the i7 930. Also, the 1366 motherboards are only aa very small amount more than the p55 motherboards. I don't think triple channel is worth it unless you really want 6gb of memory not 4gb
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May 6, 2010 7:10:49 PM

the most future proof one is am3, 1156 and 1366 are being replaced as we speak. and yeah, taking out microcenter, the 310$ 1090t+ 219$ mobo+ 120$ ram is cheaper than 280$ i7, 300$ mobo, and 180$ ram...
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May 6, 2010 7:28:53 PM

what the hell mobo are u getting for 300 dollars....
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May 6, 2010 7:30:08 PM

The 1090T performs about the same as a Phenom II X4 for gaming. It's a very capable processor, but most benchmarks show it not being quite as good as an i7-930 in games & light usage. Where it shines is in highly-multi-threaded apps like video encoding.

I don't think you'd be disappointed by getting it, but it doesn't beat the i7s at gaming. Though honestly, in games, it's probably only a few fps different either way at any reasonable resolution.

I'm going to agree with ares1214 on AM3 being the most future-proof socket at the moment. 1156 and 1366 are due to be replaced next year. AM3 is still on the roadmap (for the enthusiast chips, not mainstream) next year. It's likely to be phased out in 2012, but AMD does have a good track record of trying to keep things backwards-compatible.

The worst case for going with AMD is that, like going with Intel, you will have to completely rebuild in 3 years or whatever. Best case is that your current mobo will support new chips if you flash the BIOS.
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May 6, 2010 7:42:24 PM

+1^ also, the 1090T wins in the newer games. sure, the i7 wins overall, but most of the newer games go to the 1090T, mainly for their better usage of multiple cores. Yes, games like crysis, or other old one do better on the i7, but thats because they only use 2 cores, maybe a few 4. as time goes on a bit, the 1090T will continue to win more of the new games. im not saying to buy it becuase it beats the i7 930 in games, but because the fast that the games it loses in are by 5 fps, and 5 fps is nothing much when it 135 fps, and because it is overall better and more powerful.
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May 7, 2010 2:48:09 AM

Fair enough. But can you SLI on AMD motherboards (in case i get a GTX 480 and choose to add another)?
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May 7, 2010 3:06:21 AM

Edit: (cant edit posts, on mobile and Opera Mini wont let me hit the edit button) i read this article on gaming and it seems like the X6 is more for multi-threaded applications (encoding, etc.), something i dont use terribly often, and that a quad core would be better suited for gaming. Even the previous generation, the X4, scored higher on the benches. Im still leaning towards Intel, so unless you can convince me otherwise...

www.tomshardware.com/reviews/amd-phenom-ii-x6-1090t-890...
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May 7, 2010 3:46:38 AM

If you don't do a lot of encoding, then no, an X6 is definitely not worth it. And most AMD boards do not support SLI, as far as I know.

If your primary use is gaming, I'd go with either an i5-750 or a Phenom II X4 955 BE, assuming they fit your budget. If you think the i7-860 is worth the extra $80 or so (unless you're near a microcenter), then you could go for that, but I would suggest that it's not worth it unless you do a lot of encoding.

The most frequent reasons people go with AMD are:
1) save money in order to buy a bigger graphics card when the budget is right on the edge of being able to afford the next card up
2) potential future-proofing vs. Intel sockets due to be changed next year

If neither of those apply to you, then you should go with Intel without any second thoughts.
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May 7, 2010 10:37:12 AM

if you want pure gaming, and you dont really care about future proof, then go i5 750, but if you want a better all around cpu than the i7 and i5, then id go for the 1090T. yes, it is more meant for encoding, but its not like its bad for gaming. it wins in a lot of new games, and the games it doesnt win in, it either loses by 5, or the fps is so high it doesnt matter.
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May 7, 2010 11:42:03 AM

Intel it is then. I have the budget for intel and since i do a complete rebuild every 2 years upgradeability doesnt apply to me. 
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May 7, 2010 7:18:32 PM

if you want pure gaming, the best move is probs amd 955+ 2-3 5870s...or i5+ 470 sli
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May 8, 2010 11:39:15 PM

What about getting a Core i7 860 (I do more than game) and a GTX 480 now and getting another one by the end of the summer? I would get another PSU, of course.
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May 9, 2010 2:43:07 AM

the 860 is a waste overall, but even more so for gaming...
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