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January 21, 2011 6:12:32 PM

i will chose from core i5 2500k,i7 2600k or the new bulldozer amd one as the proccessor based on budget constrains.
n my total budget is arnd 50k(indian rupees) that is around $1200.
suggest an affordable motherboard which will serve my purpos.after identifying it i will look fwd to the graphics card section.
so fit the bill accrdngly
thnx in advance

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January 21, 2011 6:31:21 PM

djrulz said:

suggest an affordable motherboard which will serve my purpose


What IS the machines purpose?
January 21, 2011 6:36:13 PM

gaming(high priority) n general use and multitasking
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January 21, 2011 6:55:29 PM

I have the ASUS P8P67 Pro and the i7 2600K and I couldnt be happier with the performance. I did have a slight issues with RAM speed, but after a BIOS update and manual change of speed within the new BIOS it has been fine!
January 22, 2011 8:27:28 AM

hmmmm so what will be the prices bro????ny idea abt amd related mobos??????
a b V Motherboard
January 22, 2011 12:25:40 PM

We still know very little about the bulldozer CPU so hard to recommend anything in that direction. As for current AMD solutions, they are unfortunately mostly seen as a way to cut costs; you can get very decent gaming performance and save money, but you trade-off raw CPU power in many CPU-intensive situations like multimedia processing.

That said, you can get an i5-2500K (I recommend the i5-2500K over the i7-2600K, you loose the Hyperthreading and 100Mhz, but you save 100$ too), an Asus P8P67 Pro and 2x4GB of RAM for around 500$USD.

Many of the other components are a question of tastes/needs. What games will you be playing, at what resolution, you plan on using crossfire/SLI. Basically all the questions in the template (they should really make the post a sticky ...).
January 22, 2011 3:38:44 PM

yup i hav decided on asus p8p67 pro and 8 gb ram.tell me one thing.does the brand of the ram determines anythin.for example if along with this cpu n mobo combination i take corsair ram will it make a diff???once this is finalized i need to knw a bit mor abt graphics card that will go along with this combo
a b V Motherboard
January 22, 2011 4:30:50 PM

You can always check the list of "approved" RAM for your MB, but sometimes this list is very slim. Otherwise the brand doesn't change the performance, it's only a matter of preference or reputation.
January 22, 2011 4:36:24 PM

okss.now one more thing.is there any gigabyte or any other board which works betr with the i5 2500k than the asus one.i wanna be absolutely sure so that i get the best deal
a b V Motherboard
January 23, 2011 1:14:30 AM

Price/performance wise, the ASRock Extreme4 might actually be better for it's nearly 40$ cheaper and has many features. If you want to look the Gigabytes way, I think the contender for the P8P67 Pro is the P67A-UD4, but Anandtech gave a favorable incline to the Asus.
January 23, 2011 5:17:15 AM

is asrock one betr when cmpard to the asus one if we disregard the price issue????
a b V Motherboard
January 23, 2011 12:39:57 PM

To quote Anandtech:
Quote:
However, the second question is: ‘what about the comparison to the ASRock P67 Extreme4’? The ASRock board has power/reset buttons on the board, a Debug LED, that USB 3.0 bracket which will hold an SSD (worth in my option about $15), and is almost $40 cheaper. The ASUS board is the slightly better performing, overclocking is easier on the ASUS, the ASUS has a longer warranty, the UEFI is slightly better on the ASUS, the ASUS uses Intel Ethernet rather than Realtek, but the ASRock will take socket 775 coolers. It is up to you to judge, but in my opinion, I would take the Extreme4, pocket the $40 difference, and invest it in something else for a PC build.
If money was tight, I wouldn't hesitate to take the ASRock, but if I could afford 40$ more for the Asus, I wouldn't feel it's wasted money either. Then again, If you don't OC or play in advanced BIOS/EUFI options, it might not change a thing for you.
January 24, 2011 10:02:00 AM

hey zenthar is oc necessary or wen is it really reqd.if its not reqd then i might choose the asrock one as its cheaper.i have the budget.so shld i go for asus or spend it smwhr els after saving on it by buying asrock????
a b V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 12:47:14 PM

OC is never necessary, but Sandy Bridge OCs so well it would be a shame no to do so. However, both would give you decent OC anyway, it's just that Asus might make it easier or allow you to push it further.

Unless there is something specific you want the Asus for (like warranty or Bluetooth), then the ASRock will be just fine.
January 24, 2011 2:19:11 PM

asrock dsnt have any warranty?????given a choice which one wud u tk??
a b V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 2:46:56 PM

djrulz said:
asrock dsnt have any warranty?????given a choice which one wud u tk??
No it does, sorry, I'm posting to 2 similar threads and I tend to forgot what I said where. ASRock has 1 year warranty vs 3 for Asus.
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 2:53:11 PM

Caveats - see chart. If I were to wait for the Bulldozer then I'd wait for the X68 and skip over the P55/P67 consumer mainstream builds. The X68 build will probably blow your budget.

Q - What resolution(s)? How many monitors?
Q - Is SLI or CF in the future?

January 24, 2011 4:47:56 PM

thnx jaquith.1 monitor.yes sli or cf in future.i can wait till bulldozers no problm.by thn the other prices will fall too if i dcd to fall bck on them.prepare your choice config with the budget.
a b V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 5:01:14 PM

Don't play the waiting game too long, by the time Bulldozer comes out, Ivy Bridge might be around the corner so you will want to wait again, then it will be AMD's reply, then something else, ...
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 6:22:31 PM

^Well apparently most high-end people are indeed waiting for at least the X68. I hobby build extreme rigs, and nobody wants the P67 as an 'Extreme Machine.' Therefore, it has been over a month since I've been asked to build.

I built only a few AMDs, a couple P55's, and a crap load of 1366 machines. None of them want the P67 especially with the PCIe x8/x8 saturating large format resolutions. Keep in mind I take no joy slapping together components, and I turn down those builds.

Ivy Bridge and Haswell {22nm} cores are a 2012 thing.
a b V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 6:44:54 PM

Many people who already jumped on the Quad Core CPUs, especially the latest C2Q (ex: Q9550) don't have that many reasons to switch yet, even more so if it's only a gaming rig.
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 24, 2011 7:14:25 PM

I another thread we're discussing mainly the CONS of the X68: SATA3 but 'SATA4' is needed, PCIe 2.0 40 lanes but PCIe 3.0 or 80 lanes need, etc. Before the chipsets leap frogged the available technology but now the tech {SSD, GPUs} are leap frogging the chipsets. I'm hoping the X68 gets paired with something similar to the NF200 {x16/x16/x16/x16} otherwise 3/4-WAY is screwed on larger displays even with the X68.

GTX 5XX on large screens requires >x8 PCIe, and SSDs {e.g. RevoDrives} are exceeding SATA3's 600 MB/s per device limits. This is a REAL PROBLEM.

The CPUs are the bottlenecks, it's the architecture and subsequent bandwidth.
January 25, 2011 10:23:51 AM

hey jaquith its getn too technical.i cant undrstnd i thing.i will get my system done in maybe a few weeks tym.need to knw the best combination.till now the one in the picklist are the 2 asus siblings in p8p67 pro and sabertooth p67.tell me if i shld chang and if yes then y
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 12:30:40 PM

Let me simplify, the MOBOs are getting too slow for the 'stuff' added to it.

Either the ASUS P8P67 PRO or ASUS Sabertooth are good, the Sabertooth lacks Bluetooth but has a 5 year warranty, the Pro is $30 less has Bluetooth but has a 3 year warranty. For the most part I have been recommending the ASUS P8P67 PRO.

Side-by-Side - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|13-131-693^13-131-693-TS,13-131-695^13-131-695-TS,13-131-682^13-131-682-TS,13-131-692^13-131-692-TS
January 25, 2011 3:13:39 PM

really in a soup.warranty is vry imp bt evrywhr evry1 seems to be recommending p8p67.donno wat to do
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 4:25:28 PM

If you can wait a little then go with the EVGA P67 SLI | 130-SB-E675-KR and for $20 extra get a 10 year warranty http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp For gaming the EVGA are always my first choice, and ASUS for most everything else.
a b V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 5:54:58 PM

jaquith said:
If you can wait a little then go with the EVGA P67 SLI | 130-SB-E675-KR and for $20 extra get a 10 year warranty http://www.evga.com/support/warranty/extended.asp For gaming the EVGA are always my first choice, and ASUS for most everything else.
The MSRP for that board seems to be just under 200$, might as well get the Sabertooth at that price.
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 6:57:18 PM

I like ASUS and I like EVGA even more; 9/10 gaming rigs I build are off the EVGA, occasionally the ASUS 'Extreme' -- the EVGA are like a Ferrari and the 'better' ASUS like a Porsche. I find the power to be 'cleaner' and more readily available on the EVGA.

If Gaming is not the MO/purpose then ASUS.
a b V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 7:17:07 PM

I do like EVGA, but until I see benchmarks, I doubt there will be any performance difference between that and the Asus.

Personally, since the OP seems hesitate based on warranty, I would go for the P8P67 Pro; very nice board, OCs well and you get 3 year warranty. If you want to go for the look and extra 2 year of warranty, then the Sabertooth could be good as well, but I don't think it's really worth it.
January 25, 2011 8:06:31 PM

hmmm actually i nvr hrd of this mobo.the prob will i get support here in india.i knw asus,gigabyte,intel evrythin has fantastic spprt in my ct.bt evga i really dnt hv ny idea.wud b big gamble
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 25, 2011 8:34:43 PM

I say 'up' you say 'right' .... pointless arguments.

The big differences and something to think about: Examples - GA tosses in too much junk which often decreases available bandwidth to more critical components e.g. SATA 2/3 or PCIe {advertised verses reality}; ASUS same thing but to a lesser extent; EVGA is all about sufficient to minimal add-on crap + SATA 2/3 + Power + PCIe not having a 'caveat' shared with X appendage.

None of this is an issue until you start adding ultra fast and bandwidth hungry GPUs, SSD, RevoDrives, etc which suck-up and REALLY need all the bandwidth. Having 8 USB 3's is CrAzY to sell a MOBO over another.

So 8 simultaneousness flash drives or faster SATA?
January 26, 2011 5:54:18 AM

hmmmmm i got ur point.need to find out the support that i mght get if i go for evga
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 26, 2011 12:30:07 PM

I only wish I was making this stuff up; example GA - http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/build-a-pc-overcloc... "...due to limitations of the PCIe 2.0 x1 interface, the peak bandwidth available to most SATA 6Gb/s controllers is only 5 Gb/s, or around 2.5 Gb/s per drive when “striping” is used. The chipset’s SATA 3Gb/s RAID controller could be the better option in this scenario, even though this editor’s tests have shown an actual performance limit of 2.7 to 2.8 Gb/s per drive."

Worst is USB 3 frenzy, if I want to connect a HDD or external SSD, I never would, it isn't going to be via USB 3 -- it's going to be via a SATA or eSATA. There are VERY FEW USB devices faster than 60 MB/s.
January 26, 2011 1:00:40 PM

ok jaquith build it.include evrythn and budget($1100-$1200).it will be nice to knw ur view
a b V Motherboard
January 26, 2011 1:02:48 PM

Yeah, I never quite understood why they made PCIe x1 SATA 6Gbps cards, they should be at least x4 IMO (more like x2 but they never made such a thing for some reason). To me it's like all those 300Mbps wireless routers with 100Mbps switches in them :p 
a c 715 V Motherboard
January 26, 2011 1:46:40 PM

$90 CAS: CoolerMaster 690 II Advanced http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$60 DVD: HP 8X BD-ROM 16X DVD-ROM Model BD240I-h01 LightScribe http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$330 CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-2600K 3.40 GHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$30 FAN: CoolerMaster Hyper 212 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$65 HDD: Seagate Barracuda 7200.12 ST31000528AS 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$65 RAM: G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) DDR3 1600 (CAS 8) F3-12800CL8D-4GBXM http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$185 MOBO: Asus P8P67 Pro http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$90 PSU: Corsair CMPSU-750TX 80 Plus http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$260 GPU: EVGA 01G-P3-1561-AR NVIDIA GTX 560 Ti http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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$1,175 {cheaper if I took the time to combo price}
January 26, 2011 2:22:24 PM

wow dats fantastic.but need to add a monitor,keybrd,mouse,ups.till nw i hav only decided on the proc and the mobo.rest are nt decided.this gives me a reference point.include the others.and then it can b cmplt
a b V Motherboard
January 26, 2011 2:24:32 PM

Unless you plan on doing heavy multimedia encoding I would modify the above build by:
  • Dropping the BD-ROM for a regular DVD Burner (-40$)
  • Switch to an i5-2500K (-100$)
    and
  • Switch to an HD6950 (1GB or 2GB), both can be found at the same price point as the GTX 560 Ti and usually perform a bit better. (-0$)
    or
  • Switch to an XFX HD6870 OC which is a bit cheaper, performs a bit under the GTX 560 Ti, but is also a lot quieter (by ~9dBa). (-30$)
    and
  • Get a Crucial C300 128GB SSD for your OS (+265$)
    or
  • Get an OCZ Vertex 2 80GB SSD for your OS (+150$)

    I think it would give you an overall faster system for equal or lower price depending on the choices you make.
    January 26, 2011 2:35:03 PM

    zenthar y do u prefer a ssd above a hdd.i wud a 1 td hdd at a lower price.and mayb 1 ssd for the os drive.i agree with the top 2 suggstns.but i need to put the monitor,kybrd,mouse n ups too into this.so by savn 140 in the first 2 chnges i wont b able to get my job dn.so chng it accrdingly
    a b V Motherboard
    January 26, 2011 2:50:12 PM

    Sorry I wasn't clear about the SSD, I was suggesting you get both an SSD for OS and applications and the 1TB HDD for data. The SSD is more of a suggestion on how to use the 140$+ saved toward something you might notice more, you could always switch later or not at all; if you want to switch later, I would suggest you partition your HDD in OS + Data partitions, it will be easier to do the switch later.

    Feel free to use that money however you like ;) 
    January 26, 2011 2:56:47 PM

    ok.got it.mayb then i wud do the switch later.1 hdd is engh for nw.i also wud cnsider radeon 6950 which cms at a lower price.monitr,mouse,kybrd,ups togethr will cost arnd $250 from wat i undrstnd.so frm the above if i deduct 140 from the top 2 and then another 70 or so from the mothrbrd.i will b lft with 210 and i can 90 mor to it from my pocket.so it will cmplt the build in the budget isnt it????
    a c 715 V Motherboard
    January 26, 2011 2:59:26 PM

    djrulz said:
    wow dats fantastic.but need to add a monitor,keybrd,mouse,ups.till nw i hav only decided on the proc and the mobo.rest are nt decided.this gives me a reference point.include the others.and then it can b cmplt

    Duh, adding "monitor,keybrd,mouse,ups"
    Monitor = $95~$150+
    Keyboard = $30~$80+
    UPS = $100~$200+

    So taking the cheapest of each 95+30+100 = -$225 off the rig above.

    djrulz said:
    ...prefer a ssd above a hdd.i wud a 1 td hdd at a lower price.and mayb 1 ssd for the os drive.i agree with the top 2 suggstns.but i need to put the monitor,kybrd,mouse n ups too into this.so by savn 140 in the first 2 chnges i wont b able to get my job dn.so chng it accrdingly


    You cannot afford an SSD, you'll also need a HHD!

    Therefore, -$225:
    (-$100) i5-2500K
    (-$30) Stock Fan ; forget OC'ing too much
    (-$40) OEM DVD
    (-$45) Antec VSK-2000 Black
    =====
    (-$215)
    +225 "Stuff" add a monitor,keybrd,mouse,ups
    =====
    +10
    +$1,175
    =======
    $1,185
    January 26, 2011 3:04:56 PM

    hmmmm jaquith i can afford arnd 50 more.so i can go for the fan u mentioned.and i say the monitors.22' lcd ones.they cost arnd 200.which one are u suggestn???
    a c 715 V Motherboard
    January 26, 2011 3:21:30 PM

    HMMM...cannot read your mind or keep up with the budget(s). Here's some good monitors for ~$150. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|24-236-079^24-236-079-TS,24-009-266^24-009-266-TS,24-236-063^24-236-063-TS,24-009-212^24-009-212-TS,24-236-100^24-236-100-TS

    You can get $5~20 Keyboards/Mouse, and you can get really expensive UPS. Next, you'll need a copy of Windows 7.

    Good Luck!
    January 26, 2011 3:29:29 PM

    wow dats nice.i didnt knw abt d monitors.thnx jaquith.bt not easy to read my mind?y do say dat?i selected most of ur components.so y do say that???
    !