Help on getting LGA 1366 Motherboard

[arunloveshacking]

Hello,

I am a bit little outdated in motherboards. Last time i saw a good mobo was Asus Gene.. But I believe new boards have come out and better than that. I have a budget of around 300$ ( around 15K, Im in India). I am looking for future proof like USB 3.0 , etc. Pl suggest me a good mobo. I am looking to pair it with i7 950 and 8 GB DDR3 memory. Also Dual Graphic support ...

 

[rolli59]

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=AM2RChl84MZrKh6J
Have you considered Sandy Bridge LGA1155?

 

[jaquith]

What is the resolution of your monitors? See Building Chart:

 

[arunloveshacking]

http://usa.asus.com/product.aspx?P_ID=AM2RChl84MZrKh6J
Have you considered Sandy Bridge LGA1155?

i AM NOT INTERESTED IN sANDY bRIDGE AS i CANNOT THINK IT OVER THE I7 series.... And thank you very much for SABERTOOTH, I love it and I am gonna buy this sweet thing

 

[arunloveshacking]

What is the resolution of your monitors? See Building Chart:
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/Build_Chart_Q1-2011-1.jpg

Hey, thanks for the chart.. I am definitely lookin for X58... My res is 1080p ( Samsung PX2370) .. What is that Single GPU --- P67 Build? Cant get you... I am thinking of Getting HD 6950, btw.....

 

[rolli59]

HD6950 is a good choice.

 

[jaquith]

Hey, thanks for the chart.. I am definitely lookin for X58... My res is 1080p ( Samsung PX2370) .. What is that Single GPU --- P67 Build? Cant get you... I am thinking of Getting HD 6950, btw.....

1080p or 1920 X 1080 a/k/a a single HD monitor - I would recommend a "P67 Build" - meaning the P67 is a wiser choice over that of the X58. Trust me, I am an extreme builder {X58} but I know the Pros & Cons of each chipset build.

Again, if you are looking at a single HD monitor configuration and/or a single GPU build then the SB + P67 will yield a faster FPS experience. The P67 runs a single x16 and so does the X58 - in either case neither the CPU nor PCIe will bottleneck. However, the P67 2600K only competition is the 3X cost i7 980X. Also, the 2600K easily OC to 4.6~4.8GHz on air vs water for the i7 9XX CPU.

Also, there's no 'good' way to run 8GB of RAM on the X58 {triple channel 8/3 = non existent RAM}; therefore choices are 3X2GB = 6GB or 3X4GB = 12GB. Yes, you can run Dual Channel RAM configurations on an X58, but it is not advised.

X58 RAM Configurations:

 

[arunloveshacking]

HD6950 is a good choice.

Thanks, as I will obviously unlock it to 6970

 

[arunloveshacking]

1080p or 1920 X 1080 a/k/a a single HD monitor - I would recommend a "P67 Build" - meaning the P67 is a wiser choice over that of the X58. Trust me, I am an extreme builder {X58} but I know the Pros & Cons of each chipset build.

Again, if you are looking at a single HD monitor configuration and/or a single GPU build then the SB + P67 will yield a faster FPS experience. The P67 runs a single x16 and so does the X58 - in either case neither the CPU nor PCIe will bottleneck. However, the P67 2600K only competition is the 3X cost i7 980X. Also, the 2600K easily OC to 4.6~4.8GHz on air vs water for the i7 9XX CPU.

Also, there's no 'good' way to run 8GB of RAM on the X58 {triple channel 8/3 = non existent RAM}; therefore choices are 3X2GB = 6GB or 3X4GB = 12GB. Yes, you can run Dual Channel RAM configurations on an X58, but it is not advised.

X58 RAM Configurations:
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/UDR3_DDR.jpg

Hey jaquith,

That was interesting. But I believe P67 supports only single monitor, as I already have a P2350 which I am planning to hook up with this... and, with Sandy bridge, I am struck with the given Clock speeds, ( if i need to overclock, Its impossible to get a K series sandy bridge in India ). I am planning to overclock the i7 cpu , so overclock is a no-go with SB.. If Iam wrong, pl correct me

 

[jaquith]

Hey jaquith,

That was interesting. But I believe P67 supports only single monitor, as I already have a P2350 which I am planning to hook up with this... and, with Sandy bridge, I am struck with the given Clock speeds, ( if i need to overclock, Its impossible to get a K series sandy bridge in India ). I am planning to overclock the i7 cpu , so overclock is a no-go with SB.. If Iam wrong, pl correct me

You can pop-in a VisionTek 900322 Radeon HD 5870 and be running 6 monitors off the P67 as fast as you can hook it up. SB+K in India - I haven't a clue if or when it's available there?! However, this link seems to suggest that it is -> http://www.priceindia.in/computer/intel-core-i7-2600k-price-gaming-processor/

Even the H67 can run the VisionTek 900322 Radeon HD 5870 though it wouldn't be my choice...

Where the P67 vs X58 comes into play are IF you plan to run 2-3+ monitors and/or SLI/CF (2+ GPUs) of the highest-end GPUs: GTX 570/580+ or HD 5970/5870.

Example, if I planned on running 3 1920 X 1080 {5760 (with bezzling ~5900) X 1080} and/or 2 GTX 580 in SLI then yep run it on an X58 platform.

 

[arunloveshacking]

Hey jaquith, those guys at priceindia aree morons. They just copy the price of gadgets in Dollars and convert and post it. Ex: They posted Alienware M17X r3 starts at 56K in India. After clarification from Dell, I was told that the start price itself is 152K... Believe it or not, we are underdeveloping every day due to moronic politicians and money robbing companies... Anyway, to our topic, thne. Here a SB 2400 costs around $200 and good p67 Mobo ( Gigabyte GA p67 UD4, it is what available here ). Do you think it is a good deal?

I have already got a OCZ 3 x 2 GB triple channel memory, an i will find it no use in SB, I suppose.... The next Higher End venture of Intel would be X68 or LGA 2011? Will x68 be backward compatible with X58 ( I dont think so, as they are not AMD )

 

[jaquith]

I'm so sorry that priceindia has those practices, and I've seen that way too much to be really surprised. Politics suck! {off topic - I smoke and my cigarettes are taxed over 200%}.

Look at this as a World of Guinea Pigs, I generally wait until there are 2-3 BIOS revisions before buying and look at patterns of problems with particular MOBOs.

Regrading the Gigabyte, unfortunately there are MANY posts pointing to sever problems with the GA P67 MOBOs -- therefore, no I don't recommend them now and instead recommend the ASUS.

No, I can almost guarantee the 1366 CPU will not be compatible with the LGA 2011 SB CPUs. I've seen where the SB 1155 has been made to work on the 1156, but as of now it's nothing that I would look into doing unless someone can get the BCLK OC to work with non-'K' SB CPUs.

The X68 is the chipset for the LGA 2011 CPUs. I personally dislike the 'year' being part of the socket name, and considering it's LATE 2011 release of Q3 2011; you get to 'feel' current for a few months at best.

I wish on some level that Intel followed suit with AMD in their backward compatibility, but I think that will happen when Hell freezes over.

 

[arunloveshacking]

I'm so sorry that priceindia has those practices, and I've seen that way too much to be really surprised. Politics suck! {off topic - I smoke and my cigarettes are taxed over 200%}.

Look at this as a World of Guinea Pigs, I generally wait until there are 2-3 BIOS revisions before buying and look at patterns of problems with particular MOBOs.

Regrading the Gigabyte, unfortunately there are MANY posts pointing to sever problems with the GA P67 MOBOs -- therefore, no I don't recommend them now and instead recommend the ASUS.

No, I can almost guarantee the 1366 CPU will not be compatible with the LGA 2011 SB CPUs. I've seen where the SB 1155 has been made to work on the 1156, but as of now it's nothing that I would look into doing unless someone can get the BCLK OC to work with non-'K' SB CPUs.

The X68 is the chipset for the LGA 2011 CPUs. I personally dislike the 'year' being part of the socket name, and considering it's LATE 2011 release of Q3 2011; you get to 'feel' current for a few months at best.

I wish on some level that Intel followed suit with AMD in their backward compatibility, but I think that will happen when Hell freezes over.

Hey jaquith, I particularly like your grudge against Cigarrettes tax, though... I believe Whatever I buy, either X58 or P67, its going to be outdated in 6 months or so, I guess. Is it right? If so , I would gladly be going to P67, as its new. But I have problems in choosing MOBO... Asus P8P67 Pro has some serious Bios probs ( as far as I know ) , I am not sure of it though.... Else I would go for i7 2600K and Asus P8P67 Pro, ( i7 2600K costs around 18K, ie $350 and MOBO- $225), with which I will be happily able to overclock above 4Ghz...

What do you say, jaquith?

 

[jaquith]

The chipset and sockets typically last 2~3 years before being replaced. CPUs on the other hand can be very short lived ~ months. As I said, "...I generally wait until there are 2-3 BIOS revisions before buying..." Everything, I've seen ASUS is BIOS related whereas GA had some bad chipset {H/W} batches. Therefore, buying ANY new P67 job #1 is to flash the BIOS before installing any OS.

Good 2600K OC Guide -> http://www.overclock.net/intel-general/910467-ultimate-sandy-bridge-oc-guide-p67a.html

For most people the ASUS P8P67 PRO or ASUS P8P67 Deluxe ; otherwise my 'favorite' gaming MOBOs are EVGA: EVGA P67 SLI or EVGA P67 Classified http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/ and http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=746361&mpage=1

Current and future SB CPUs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)#32_nm_Sandy_Bridge

 

[arunloveshacking]

The chipset and sockets typically last 2~3 years before being replaced. CPUs on the other hand can be very short lived ~ months. As I said, "...I generally wait until there are 2-3 BIOS revisions before buying..." Everything, I've seen ASUS is BIOS related whereas GA had some bad chipset {H/W} batches. Therefore, buying ANY new P67 job #1 is to flash the BIOS before installing any OS.

Good 2600K OC Guide -> http://www.overclock.net/intel-general/910467-ultimate-sandy-bridge-oc-guide-p67a.html

For most people the ASUS P8P67 PRO or ASUS P8P67 Deluxe ; otherwise my 'favorite' gaming MOBOs are EVGA: EVGA P67 SLI or EVGA P67 Classified http://www.evga.com/articles/00604/ and http://www.evga.com/forums/tm.aspx?m=746361&mpage=1

Current and future SB CPUs - http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sandy_Bridge_(microarchitecture)#32_nm_Sandy_Bridge

Hey, sorry, Was out of station for few days..... hmmm... I have got a doubt jaquith, Will I be able to add a sound card and wireless card to the p8p67 pro mobo( only one HD 6950, not cf). Im planning on CM HAF 922 case. And GX550 Cooler Master PSU....
Thanks for the guid.. It was very good

 

[jaquith]

I recommend against Wi-Fi cards on desktops, and instead strongly recommend the Powerline - http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=294&name=Powerline-Networking nice video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sue1Zvmh8JA

As far as a sound card or Wi-Fi, depends on the card but the ASUS P8P67 PRO has sufficient PCI slots {PCI Express x1 = 2 & PCI = 2} for most sound cards.

 

[arunloveshacking]

I recommend against Wi-Fi cards on desktops, and instead strongly recommend the Powerline - http://www.newegg.com/Store/SubCategory.aspx?SubCategory=294&name=Powerline-Networking nice video - http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Sue1Zvmh8JA

As far as a sound card or Wi-Fi, depends on the card but the ASUS P8P67 PRO has sufficient PCI slots {PCI Express x1 = 2 & PCI = 2} for most sound cards.

Thanks jaq, I have decided to get 17 2600K , P8P67Pro

One last doubt. How to update to newer bios without installing the OS? Do i have to install all realeased bios or only the latest?

Also I have planned to wait till Antilles Launch, in case if the cost difference is not too much I might get that ( will it work in P67? , I hope so, since only CF is not possible with 6990) . So far, the config looks like this:

CPU - i7 2600K
MOBO - Asus P8P67 pro
Case - CM HAF 922
RAM undecided ( Only the RAM mentioned in QVL will work or any other will work? I am actually looking for http://techshop.in/store/gskill-ripjaws-series-2x2gb-ddr3-1600mhz-f312800cl9d4gbrl-desktop-memory-buy-online-india-p-4164.html or http://techshop.in/store/crucial-ballistix-tracer-2x2gb-ddr3-1600mhz-bl2kit25664tr1608-desktop-memory-with-leds-buy-online-india-p-5311.html.... )

Monitor - P2350 / PX 2370
HDD - Seagate Momentus 1TB 32 MB cache ( 7200RPM)
PSU - Cooler Master GX 550 / GX 650 ( for Antilles ) ( will 550 be enough for Antilles? It has 1 6 pin and 1 8 pin connectors only )

Video Card - 6950 2gb or Antilles

Any suggestions and advice on Bios flashing?

Regards

Arun.S

 

[arunloveshacking]

Best answer selected by arunloveshacking.

 

[jaquith]

One last doubt. How to update to newer bios without installing the OS? Do i have to install all realeased bios or only the latest?

RAM undecided

BIOS - Use only the ASUS EZ Flash 2 method, and use the ONLY the latest prior to installing the OS.
How to -> http://vip.asus.com/forum/view.aspx?id=20070215223109668&board_id=1&model=P5B+Deluxe/WiFi-AP&SLanguage=en-us&page=1

RAM - I recomend the G.SKILL Ripjaws X 1600 MHz CAS 8 ; SB shows very little benfits above 1333 MHz. http://www.newegg.com/Product/ProductList.aspx?Submit=ENE&DEPA=0&Order=BESTMATCH&Description=%22ripjaws+x%22&x=0&y=0
Great article -> {read from page 4~6 real world benchmarks} http://www.bit-tech.net/hardware/memory/2011/01/11/the-best-memory-for-sandy-bridge/1

PSU 650W ; I prefer the Corsair TX650W or HX650W

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