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April 9, 2010 7:14:13 AM

Hello, this has probably asked, before. I am interested in upgrading my GFX card.

System:
AMD Phenom II 810 @2.6 GHz
4850 1 Gb
4 Gb RAM
620W PSU

running 1920x1080
24" Monitor

Currently I play,
BF:BC2 and WoW, but I heard Crysis 2 is in the works

Or should I wait for a new batch of nvidia cards? I don't mind; The 5850 looks good I must admit.

Will I see much performance improvement, BF BC2 works rather well, but I think a 5850 would increase game speed.

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April 9, 2010 7:49:06 AM

Welcome to Tom's, robdog.

A 5850 would be an improvement over the 4850. Unfortunately, I find it's cost a hard pill to swallow. By that I mean spending $300-$350 on a card that isn't going to at least double the 4850's performance, which only costs 1/3 that price. Performance increase is more along the lines of 30-40 percent over a 4850. Of course that number can jump if you can manage to overclock it well, but I prefer not to do so because most review benchmarks show comparisons at stock clocks.

If your system supports it, adding a second 4850 for CrossFire would yield very similar benefits at 1/3 the cost. 1GB 4850's can be had in the $110-$120 range. Like this GigaByte 4850.

If your PC supports CrossFire, then a 2nd 4850 is definitely the "bang for buck" choice.
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April 9, 2010 8:23:45 AM

Hello and welcome to the forums :) 
Since you play at 1920x1200,getting a HD 5850 will give you a great boost in performance so go for it,another option is as Razbery said to CrossFire your 4850 but i would go for single 5850 because it produces less heat,runs cooler and has a lower power consumption.
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April 9, 2010 8:49:46 AM

Maziar, and robdawg, I invite you to sneak a peek at Tom's hierarchy chart:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

Note that 4850X2 is right next to the 5850. 4850 Crossfire is essentially the same as a 4850X2. That means 4850 CrossFire is right on par with the 5850 in terms of performance. For the price difference, CrossFire wins if his system can support it.

If not, 5850 wins the performance battle. But would he gain $300+ worth of performance over his 4850? No, not in my opinion. And certainly not when the same performance could be had for $120 (barring capability conditions).
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April 9, 2010 9:27:15 AM

I'd go with a HD5850 over another 4850 in crossfire, not only is there less heat, noise, power usage, but he would also get DX11 support. Besides he can always sell his current 4850 and use that money to put towards a new card.
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April 9, 2010 9:38:40 AM

Will I see much performance improvement, BF BC2 works rather well, but I think a 5850 would increase game speed. said:
Will I see much performance improvement, BF BC2 works rather well, but I think a 5850 would increase game speed.


if it works rather well like you mentioned why upgrade?

i woudn't personally suggest an upgrade if a card still gives ample performance. unless you play online competitively.
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April 9, 2010 1:26:37 PM

RazberyBandit said:
Maziar, and robdawg, I invite you to sneak a peek at Tom's hierarchy chart:
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/best-graphics-card,...

Note that 4850X2 is right next to the 5850. 4850 Crossfire is essentially the same as a 4850X2. That means 4850 CrossFire is right on par with the 5850 in terms of performance. For the price difference, CrossFire wins if his system can support it.

If not, 5850 wins the performance battle. But would he gain $300+ worth of performance over his 4850? No, not in my opinion. And certainly not when the same performance could be had for $120 (barring capability conditions).

I know that 2 HD 4850s perform pretty much like a 5850 and they cost less but HD 5850 has less power consumption and noise,also it supports newer techs like DX11 and eyefinity but i agree with you that since 4850 costs about $120 then its better to CrossFire it but the noise they make and the power consumption may be a good reason to skip and get a single 5850 instead
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April 9, 2010 11:28:52 PM

Oh I agree that the 5850 has some definite benefits. I was simply pointing out a very viable and comparable option from a cost perspective, as well as the fact that his performance gain by going to a 5850 right now is not truly incredible. Yes his frame rates will go up, and yes he should see better overall performance. But how much better? $300-$350 better? Not in my opinion.

I'm in a similar situation to him, only I have a more powerful card - a 4890. I considered getting a 5850 or 5870 over the last 6 months, but felt they just didn't give the benefit of enough raw performance difference to justify spending that much money on them. So I am skipping this generation and waiting for the next one to come along with all of it's revisions, tweaks, and hopefully added features. And with them likely coming by Christmas, as is often ATI's tradition for next-gen release, 6 or 7 months of still fully-capable gaming doesn't seem like an unreasonable sacrifice, and it's not that long to wait.

If he were truly at a performance wall, say if he had a 3650 or 4670, my opinion would change because upgrading from those cards to a 5850 would be a much more drastic and significant change.
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April 20, 2010 7:16:58 AM

Well since I'm a poor college student, I really can't justify spending $300-400 on a nice new graphics card, until I actually must upgrade...I am happy with what I got at the moment. Maybe i'll ask for it for my birthday, or Christmas...
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April 20, 2010 7:37:45 AM

for now use your card and try Overclocking it to give more performance
lower res while gaming to give more performance

and if you can upgrade your Gpu afterwards
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April 20, 2010 10:21:50 AM

robdawg said:
Well since I'm a poor college student, I really can't justify spending $300-400 on a nice new graphics card, until I actually must upgrade...I am happy with what I got at the moment. Maybe i'll ask for it for my birthday, or Christmas...
Then my first suggestion of adding a 2nd 4850 if your system has a Crossfire capable motherboard might deliver exactly the performance you're seeking while remaining within your budget. Newegg has this XFX 1GB 4850 for $120 w/ free shipping. Your 620W Power Supply should be sufficient for it.

Something to keep in mind with BFBC2 is that it's quite CPU-intensive. You would gain some performance improvement if you were to overclock your CPU, but that's a topic more suited for a discussion of it's own.
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April 20, 2010 11:23:58 AM

i went to 5850 from an oc'ed 4770 which is better than 4850, and the performance increase is really big. I had to sell 4770 to get 5850. I noted my 5850 runs cooler than 4770.

25c idle 46c under heavy load.

+ dx11
+ more future proof

imo you shouldn't spend any money on outdated tech.

If you can't afford a 5850 now, just save up and buy it whenever you have enough, or just wait till they get cheaper.
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April 20, 2010 12:46:42 PM

hmm can you post some benchmarks proving that an OC'd 4770 performs better than a 4850 ?
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April 20, 2010 12:52:02 PM

i don't have card anymore but if i remember i got 40-50 fps on crysis all at very high 4xaa on 1280x720

4770 from my experience doesn't like high resolutions
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April 20, 2010 12:55:08 PM

If you find that the 4850 is currently working for you I would suggest holding off on purchasing a 5850 until the price drops or the next generation comes out. There is no reason to upgrade if you have a system that is working perfectly fine at the moment.
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