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May 10, 2010 9:09:26 PM

Hey Guys.

I'm just trying ot find out the size of my E

Specs:

Cooler Master Storm Sniper Case (85$, hardfourm)

HDD: 7200.8 400gb+750gb (Free, Old build)

GPU: 4870 X2 (200$ hardfourm) + 4870 1gb (Free, old build)

Mobo: Asus Rampage Foumrala X48 (100$, HArd fourm)

Cooling: Corsair H50 Liquid Cooling All in One (57$, Hardfourm) + IC daimond 24 carrot TIM (Free, Tom's giveaway)

CPU: Q9550 180$+10$ Tax Microenetr E0 (4.0+ Hopefully)

Optical: Blu Ray and DVD RW from old build.

Memory: 8gb Samsung DDR2 (Free, Old build)

Total Price: 575$.

Could somebody Spec somethign better for that please?

(Keep in mind my GPU setup beats a 5870, wich is 400$ alone)

PSU: ENERMAX Galaxy EVO 1250 watts 80 Plus ATX EGX1250EWT (200$, New, Ebay)

Rate out of 12 plz.

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May 10, 2010 9:19:06 PM

Well this would have been a great build 3 years ago...

the 7200.8 series is very poor by today's standards. The Samsung Spinpoint F3 and 7200.12 500gb blow it out of the water, they match velociraptors in performance for a fraction of the price.

4870x2 is very old, though for $200 it's not too bad a deal, though 3 way xfire isn't really worth it.

Cheap liquid cool is louder and cools worse than good air. A CM Hyper 212 plus is a much better HSF for nearly half the price, $30.

Ok, Q9550 for $190 is stupid. A i7-930 costs the same at micro center...

DDR2, no, just no. At this point its the same cost at DDR3 for much worse performance.

No need for a 1250w PSU. A 850W is all you'll need, even with the 3 way xfire.


3 years ago I'd give it an 8. Today, only thing I'd use from there is the case.

Edit: Ok case and optical long as they are SATA.

So yea, not trying to be harsh on ya, but the build really is bad >.<
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May 10, 2010 9:26:29 PM

It is old parts, but I dont think you can beat its performance for $750 with all new parts.

The PSU was way overkill and twice as expensive as needed, though.
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May 10, 2010 9:37:43 PM

banthracis said:
Well this would have been a great build 3 years ago...

the 7200.8 series is very poor by today's standards. The Samsung Spinpoint F3 and 7200.12 500gb blow it out of the water, they match velociraptors in performance for a fraction of the price.

4870x2 is very old, though for $200 it's not too bad a deal, though 3 way xfire isn't really worth it.

Cheap liquid cooling is louder and cools worse than good air. A CM Hyper 212 plus is a much better HSF for nearly half the price, $30.

Ok, Q9550 for $190 is stupid. A i7-930 costs the same at micro center...

DDR2, no, just no. At this point its the same cost at DDR3 for much worse performance.

No need for a 1250w PSU. A 850W is all you'll need, even with the 3 way xfire.


3 years ago I'd give it an 8. Today, only thing I'd use from there is the case.

Edit: Ok case and optical long as they are SATA.

So yea, not trying to be harsh on ya, but the build really is bad >.<


1. Didn"t buy it.

Gosh.

2. 4870X2 beats a 5870. Trifre beats ti by even more.

3. You're not factoring in the price that X58+DDR3 would run me.

4. A 850W would most certanitly not be enough. And I like the high effeciancy, low rippleing and moulularity of mine.

5. The H50 rapes the Hyper 212+. Do you're resarch before you flame.

6. Once gain, DDR2 was free. What part of that is not good?
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May 10, 2010 9:40:13 PM

So total price: 575$

Can you sure me somthign better for that?

EDIT: My freind has a HX-1000. I'll offer him my PSU for his and 50$. My other frind has a TX-950. I'll offer his and 100$, IF it makes Y'all feel better.
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May 10, 2010 9:43:54 PM

Did you really expect positive responses when posting an e-peen with parts that are a generation behind?
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May 10, 2010 9:45:00 PM

I dunno,

When I finish building I'll post a Vantage.
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May 10, 2010 9:47:07 PM

Youl get great performance from this setup. only concern is that you are using mostly old parts. Yes you are saving alot of money and yes you will have blazing performance, so long as you are ok with using parts that are slightly dated.

consider going for dx 11 gpu maybe?
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May 10, 2010 9:48:04 PM

Um, "free, old build" never extended e-peen. If you want e-peen, you need moar performance regardless of cost. 'tis the truth. For the price, sure. It's fine. But your e-peen score is about 5.
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May 10, 2010 9:50:12 PM

abdul89 said:
Youl get great performance from this setup. only concern is that you are using mostly old parts. Yes you are saving alot of money and yes you will have blazing performance, so long as you are ok with using parts that are slightly dated.

consider going for dx 11 gpu maybe?


I'm using old parts cuase I had an old build and wanted to salvage parts.

I'll try to trade my Current setup for a 5870 on Hard Fourm....

Woudl lose prefromance, but gain DX 11...
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May 10, 2010 9:51:13 PM

leo2kp said:
Um, "free, old build" never extended e-peen. If you want e-peen, you need moar performance regardless of cost. 'tis the truth. For the price, sure. It's fine. But your e-peen score is about 5.


E-Penis is based on Speed, not cost.

I think 5 is a bit on the small side mate.

(Current setup ties the GTX 480, Owns 5870!)
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May 10, 2010 9:52:32 PM

banthracis said:
Well this would have been a great build 3 years ago...

the 7200.8 series is very poor by today's standards. The Samsung Spinpoint F3 and 7200.12 500gb blow it out of the water, they match velociraptors in performance for a fraction of the price.

4870x2 is very old, though for $200 it's not too bad a deal, though 3 way xfire isn't really worth it.

Cheap liquid cooling sucks. It's louder and cools worse than good air. A CM Hyper 212 plus is a much better HSF for nearly half the price, $30.

Ok, Q9550 for $190 is stupid. A i7-930 costs the same at micro center...

DDR2, no, just no. At this point its the same cost at DDR3 for much worse performance.

No need for a 1250w PSU. A 850W is all you'll need, even with the 3 way xfire.


3 years ago I'd give it an 8. Today, only thing I'd use from there is the case.

Edit: Ok case and optical long as they are SATA.

So yea, not trying to be harsh on ya, but the build really is bad >.<


May I ask you what you're current build is?

Mister Setup that's equivlent of GTX 480 is to slow for me...
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May 10, 2010 9:53:00 PM

builderbobftw said:
E-is based on Speed, not cost.
Its also somewhat based on "shiny new" which you got none of. :p 
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May 10, 2010 9:57:00 PM

dndhatcher said:
Its also somewhat based on "shiny new" which you got none of. :p 


The Case and PSU...

But I think E-Penis is based solely of Crysis frames.
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May 10, 2010 10:03:26 PM

builderbobftw said:
1. Didn"t buy it.

Gosh.

2. 4870X2 beats a 5870. Trifre beats ti by even more.

3. You're not factoring in the price that X58+DDR3 would run me moron.

4. A 850W would most certanitly not be enough.

5. The H50 rapes the Hyper 212+. Do you're resarch before you flame.

6. Once gain, DDR2 was free. What part of that is not good?



You're asking for a rating on the build. By present standard that build sucks. If you want a evaluation of price/performance then say so.

The h50 sucks. Big air beats cheap water any day, in both temps and acoustics. Benchmarks are very clear on that.
http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/corsair-h50-fort120...
http://anandtech.com/show/2328/8

3 way 4870 is 573.9 w of power total system power, including an i7-965. You're right, a 850 isn't enough, it's actually much more than you need.
http://anandtech.com/show/2728/11

3 way 4870 doesn't benefit much due to horrible xfire scaling from 2-3 cards. In fact, if you look at 3 way 4870 in Far Cry 2, it gets 60.7 FPS in 2560 x 1600 at 4xAA.

http://anandtech.com/show/2726/8

Same setting a single 5870 gets 58.
http://anandtech.com/show/2841/18


Trifire 4870 barely beats a single 5870. A single 5870 beats 4870x2.


I'd love to link crysis instead, but unfortunately anandtech switch test setting to 4xAA for the 5870 test.


Of course I do my research. Do you? Me thinks not.



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May 10, 2010 10:09:10 PM

:lol: 

:lol: 

1 year old benches?

Come on!

So many driver updates concering Trifire!

And this is from the link you sent me:


Can see the 5870 raping the 4870X2 there!

And at Twice the price!
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May 10, 2010 10:09:38 PM

builderbobftw said:
May I ask you what you're current build is?

Mister Setup that's equivlent of GTX 480 is to slow for me...


i5-750 @3.6ghz
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P
G Skill Ripjaw DDR3 1333 7-7-7-21
Intel X25-M G2 80gb- Boot and Apps
Spinpoint F3 1tb- Media
Spinpoint F3 500gb- games
Element G Case
CM Hyper 212 Plus
Xfire 5850
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May 10, 2010 10:10:48 PM

banthracis said:
i5-750 @3.6ghz
GIGABYTE GA-P55-UD4P
G Skill Ripjaw DDR3 1333 7-7-7-21
Intel X25-M G2 80gb- Boot and Apps
Spinpoint F3 1tb- Media
Spinpoint F3 500gb- games
Element G Case
CM Hyper 212 Plus
Xfire 5850


Like to point out that my build is faster than you'res as far as gaming is concerned.

And in case you didn't see it the first time:

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May 10, 2010 10:23:24 PM

Xfired 5850s isnt on your graphic list bob, why do you keep posting it?

And maybe Im missing something, or maybe Im stupid. But I only see 2 Graphics cards in Bob's build. a 4870x2 crossfired with a 4870, correct?

I'd expect pretty good performance out of that setup.
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May 10, 2010 10:27:40 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Xfired 5850s isnt on your graphic list bob, why do you keep posting it?

And maybe Im missing something, or maybe Im stupid. But I only see 2 Graphics cards in Bob's build. a 4870x2 crossfired with a 4870, correct?

I'd expect pretty good performance out of that setup.


Xfire 5850s ?

And a 4870X2 and a 4870=Trifire.

I'm I'm fine with not being 'Current gen"

1. I rape " current gen" with my "last gen" build.

2. Costs way less.

3. Current gen will be old also in a few months.
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May 10, 2010 10:30:18 PM

So it's 2 Graphics cards, with 3 physical GPUs so it's referred to as Trifire? I'm not trying to be argumentative, just trying to get the config figured out right.

Oh and you linked the Graphics card performance list again in reference to banthraics' build, which contains Xfired 5850s. Which were excluded from the graphics card list. So in essence, you stated yours was faster than his, but his config wasn't included. Maybe there is another benchmark that compares Xfired 5850s with your config?
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May 10, 2010 10:38:05 PM

Ohhh... Nevemind.

His build beats mine.

I thought he had a XFX 5850, not Xfire 5850s. That is difrent.


And it is refered to as Trifrie due to the 3 GPUs.

(Just like 2 GTX 295s is Quad-Sli)
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May 10, 2010 10:38:37 PM

Ah thanks for the clarification. I knew it had 3 GPUs, I just assumed Trifire referred to 3 cards.
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May 10, 2010 11:02:06 PM

You can't use those graphs for comparison. They were done with DDR3 Patriot Viper DDR3-1333 3 x 2GB (7-7-7-20) not DDR2. I'm not even sure what speed DDR2 you have. Also, remember, parts wear down with age and perform worse. 3 or 4 year old RAM hardly performs like it would new. Same with old GPU's.


While the original DDR2 DDR3 comparison's showed very little improvement (back in 07), once DDR3 got down to equivalent timings, there's a difference.

I judge builds by the quality and price/performance ratio of the components combined with how long the components will stay relevant, not how fast it bench's games from years ago.

I don't think that anyone here would argue that a modern i5-750 or i7-930 build with 58xx GPU's would be a worse build than yours, even if you're does a few extra FPS, at least until tessellation is enabled.

If you want best performance for the dollar, sure your build is great and definetly a value at the price.

But there's a reason most of us won't recommend a new builder to go with 4 way 4850's (though it's incredible performance for the price of a single 5870).
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May 10, 2010 11:02:56 PM

DDR2 has zero effect on prefromance.

that's right, Zero. Nada, Not a frame,

Sure nobody would recomend 4 way 4850s.

But if someone has a 4850, why not buy a 4850X2?

5870 prefromance for 150$.

* The only thing that determines E-penis length is the frames in Crysis*

That is it..
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May 10, 2010 11:15:35 PM

So lemmie get this straight. You make an epeen post, and even give a 1-12 grading tool. Then when people critic it, you get all poopy. Then 13 posts later you set the ruler to only measure frames in crysis.

So why did you even make the post?
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May 10, 2010 11:20:40 PM

I enjoy flame wars.
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May 10, 2010 11:36:48 PM

Ive noticed. Have fun
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May 11, 2010 12:33:26 AM

builderbobftw said:
I enjoy flame wars.


It's one of several reasons you've racked up a lengthy sanction record. Your rope is running short.
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May 11, 2010 12:36:17 AM

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