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May 10, 2010 10:19:15 PM

I'm getting caught up in the "i've got to have the best of everything" mode and the only thing that makes this possible is that NewEgg has a 12 month no interest credit card. Somebody please talk me out of it, or cut down the price by recommending something else!!!!!

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: June 2010

BUDGET RANGE: sky's the limit

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Gaming, gaming, gaming

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers, external HD storage

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: INTEL/ASUS/ATI/Corsair kinda guy

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Not at this time, but maybe later

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920 x 1200


Case: COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Blue RC-932-KKN3-GP Black Steel ATX Tower
$169.99

Video Card: POWERCOLOR AX5970 2GBD5-MD Radeon HD 5970 (Hemlock) $729.99

Power Supply: CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-1000HX 1000W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V
$239.99

RAM: CORSAIR DOMINATOR-GT 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 2000
$429.99

CPU: Intel Core i7-960 Bloomfield 3.2GHz LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop
$587.99

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Ultimate 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
$174.99

CPU Cooler: CORSAIR Cooling Hydro Series CWCH50-1 120mm
$79.99

Burner: LG Black 10X Blu-ray Burner - Bulk SATA Model WH10LS30 LightScribe
$139.99

Hard Drive: Crucial RealSSD C300 CTFDDAC256MAG-1G1 2.5" 256GB SATA III
MB: ASUS P6X58D Premium LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel
HD/MB Combo price: $929.9

yeah, with shipping and sales tax, $3482.90 I must be crazy!



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May 10, 2010 10:28:48 PM

256 GB on an SSD is overkill. Feel free to trim down to 128 or even 64 GB for OS/browser.

Also, Ive been reading some bad reviews of Powercolor GPUs lately. I'd recommend an XFX, ASUS, Sapphire, or HIS(what I use, works well for me)
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May 10, 2010 10:41:25 PM

In my experience, PowerColor GPUs are OK, they just tend to be poor OCers. Their customer support has a bad rep too, but I've never had any bad personal experiences. As for the i7-960, I agree get the i7-930. Swap out that Corsair H50 for the Noctua NH-D14 and enjoy and easy and cool 4.0+GHz OC. I'd also consider other memory. You can get good OCing memory for less.
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May 10, 2010 10:43:31 PM

Would do 3 480s at that budget...

AND PSU is ok, but overpriced.

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May 10, 2010 10:47:34 PM

3x480s would be like 900W alone wouldnt it? lol
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May 10, 2010 10:49:03 PM

Nah, Like 750-700W, Cards seem to use less power per card when you use more of them per card.
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May 10, 2010 10:49:35 PM

I'm on the talk you out of it side. I did the same thing a couple of years ago. Ordered all the stuff, put it together, played around for 9 months. Then lost my job. Needless to say....it's not a very good scenario. I was confident in repaying it before the year was up and actually could have, but i procrastinated. Anyway, only do so if you absolutely sure you will be in a situation to repay it before the year and interest starts to accrue. Same could be said for any/all credit cards.
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May 10, 2010 10:51:20 PM

Yeh, he should shave the budget down to 2k$.


We could still fit 2 480s in there, allong with an SSD>
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May 10, 2010 10:51:23 PM

OK, you're crazy, don't buy it.

You need to set the budget that you want to live with, and then we can go from there. You can spend half that much and have a really nice machine, that you could probably not really tell that much difference in compared to the one you first quoted. If you cut the budget back to 1/3 then you would start to feel that you had scrimped a little bit.

But it's up to you. Some people buy $25,000 cars and some people buy $75,000 cars. They all take you point A to point B. If you can spend $3500 and you want to spend $3500, then by all means go ahead. But if you need to cut back a little bit then we can tell you where to cut back without really affecting the result.
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May 10, 2010 10:55:36 PM

Thanks for the input guys.

yes, I thought the CPU would get hammered, and I agree. 930 it is.

thanks for the info on the coolers too. Will check them out.

The 256GB SSD is pricey, but after much deliberating, I've found the 160GB model is too small. I want my OS and all programs (which includes a ton of games on Steam) to run from this drive. I'm already using 200GB on my current pc just for OS and apps. And this guy is SATA III!!!!

The Dominator RAM is definitely pricey. Please recommend something in the DDR3 2000 range. Or do I just need 1666?

I only selected the PowerColor card because it's all NewEgg has in stock at this time with regards to 5970's. There is the HIS one on there as well, but the comments on it are very depressing.

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May 10, 2010 10:59:23 PM

DDR3 1600 is good.

Staw away from the 5970.

Duals 480s will be much faster than even 2 5970s.
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May 10, 2010 11:40:55 PM

builderbobftw said:
DDR3 1600 is good.

Staw away from the 5970.

Duals 480s will be much faster than even 2 5970s.



And you have a link proving these results where?


Let's see if I got this right:

1 x 480 = $500
2 x 480 = $1000

1 x 5970 = $700
2 x 5970 = $1400

Now I had no intention of buying 2 cards for this build, but wanted the expansion and power available in case I do down the road.

But these are today's prices, no?

I suppose by the time I'm ready to Crossfire or SLI, either of these cards will have come down a tad in price and be more approachable sooner. But with your statement that 2 480's will beat the pants off of 2 5970's, I'd be hesitant to drop my money on 1 5970 right now.
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May 10, 2010 11:45:34 PM

480s have great scaling for multi GPU, and 5970 CFX is relay 4 5870 chips.

multi GPu scaling for Ati past 2 chips is real bad.

yes, 2 480s do indeed beat 2 5970s. (Think of as 4 5870s)
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May 11, 2010 1:14:42 PM

And these hot running mofo's don't bother you at all?
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May 11, 2010 2:27:15 PM

There is absolutely no reason you're gonna need 2 5970's anytime in the near future. Until next gen consoles come out (2014 earliest) no gaming company is making a game that'll stress a single 5970 at 1920x1200.

Builderbobftw, please do your research... while 2 way SLI scaling is great, going to 3 is very little performance gain.

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-w...

Not to mention the insane power usage of 3 way SLI, topping 1000w.
There's also a second view of the poor 3 way SLI scaling in this article.
http://www.guru3d.com/article/geforce-gtx-480-3way-sli-...


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May 11, 2010 2:28:38 PM

builderbobftw said:


yes, 2 480s do indeed beat 2 5970s. (Think of as 4 5870s)



Ok that statement is just laughable. 2 480gtx beats 2 5870's by less than 6% at 1920x1200 (in your vaulted Crysis as ultimate system power indicator, no less). It's not going anywhere near 2 5970's...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-w...
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May 11, 2010 2:33:28 PM

If you have to purchase this item on CREDIT, then you don't have the money....DON'T BUY IT. Here is a crazy idea "SAVE UP SOME MONEY AND THEN PURCHASE" Oh wait, that would make too much sense.

Waste of Money!!
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May 11, 2010 2:50:40 PM

Here's a reasonable full build. Well, it's got 2 x25-m 160bg in it, even though I persoanlly think that's more storage than you'd need.

Optical
Samsung $20
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Case
HAF 922 $100
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Big enough to easily fit a 5970

HD
Spinpoint F3 500 gb $55
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

SSD
2 Intel X25-M 160gb $425 each
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
throw these into RAID 0 and they'll blow any other SSD in existence out of the water in performance. Only Intel drives support TRIM in RAID atm.


PSU
Corsair 850TX $126 w/ $20 MIR promo code psu850
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
enough power and connectors for xfire 5970 in case you wanna do it for some odd reason in the future (you shouldn't need to for the life of the system).

RAM
G SKill Pi 7-8-7-24 DDR3 1600 $190
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

these won't fit on all HSF's but will work with CM Hyper 212 Plus

MOBO/CPU
GIGABYTE GA-X58A-UD3R and i7-930 $474
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...

GPU
Sapphire 5970 $700
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

should be back in stock on the 14th.

total $2515 before shipping and $20 MIR

totally would rather you throw stuff on the spinpoint F3 and use 2 x25-m 80gb instead though.
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May 11, 2010 3:54:10 PM

banthracis said:
Ok that statement is just laughable. 2 480gtx beats 2 5870's by less than 6% at 1920x1200 (in your vaulted Crysis as ultimate system power indicator, no less). It's not going anywhere near 2 5970's...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-w...




Damm, I wish that review included a 5970 as well as 2 of them crossfired.

To me Crysis at 1920x1200 is my benchmark as it will be the predominant game I plan to play after my rig is built.

Boy, look how ATI loses it in the max res with 4xAA! Not that it applies to me at this time, but still. Wonder if it drops off bad for the 5970's as well.

But who needs 4xAA anyways? :) 


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May 11, 2010 3:55:45 PM

The AA issue is a driver problem. Hopefully ATI gets around to fixing it eventually.
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May 11, 2010 3:58:26 PM

I don't get it. Isn't the point of SSD drives to install the OS as well as all your programs, Especially your game programs??

80GB, or even 160GB, gets used up quick in my world!



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May 11, 2010 4:12:11 PM

corndawg said:
I'm on the talk you out of it side. I did the same thing a couple of years ago. Ordered all the stuff, put it together, played around for 9 months. Then lost my job. Needless to say....it's not a very good scenario. I was confident in repaying it before the year was up and actually could have, but i procrastinated. Anyway, only do so if you absolutely sure you will be in a situation to repay it before the year and interest starts to accrue. Same could be said for any/all credit cards.


Agreed. Don't forget, if you do not pay the balance before the 12 months, you're charged 22% accured interest from the transaction date lol. Believe me, Newegg is HOPING you don't pay them off lol.

Better off with a regular credit card, as least you can earn some points, hehh.
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May 11, 2010 4:15:04 PM

An SSD does not increase FPS. It increases system responsiveness, boot speed, load speed, and allows (theoretically up to controller limit) unlimited numbers of programs to be launch simultaneously w/o impacting launch speed.

Most games do not benefit from a SSD outside load times. So really, outside heavy duty games like crysis or others that need to load tons of stuff, there's no reason to put them on a SSD.
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May 11, 2010 4:22:02 PM

banthracis said:
An SSD does not increase FPS. It increases system responsiveness, boot speed, load speed, and allows (theoretically up to controller limit) unlimited numbers of programs to be launch simultaneously w/o impacting launch speed.

Most games do not benefit from a SSD outside load times. So really, outside heavy duty games like crysis or others that need to load tons of stuff, there's no reason to put them on a SSD.



I understand that SSD has nothing to do with FPS. I just hate the wait for loading many of my games. And I have a lot of games! Especially on STEAM.

I had a Raid 0 on the original Raptors back in the day, before they finally conked out, and it was still slow to my liking on load times. I simply detest the wait times now that I'm on a plain old 7200rpm IDE drive.

I do like the sound of Raid 0 on the SSD'S though!
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May 11, 2010 4:47:34 PM

Like I said, most games won't load much faster on SSD's than a good HD. For example, if a game had 1-2 second loads on your RAID 0, raptor setup, a Samsung spinpoint F3 will have the same 1-2 load. The RAID 0 SSD's will also still have the same 1-2 sec load. This'll probably hold true for anything up to say 6 second load.

It's games where you need to load massive number of textures that'll utilize an SSD. A la Crysis which you sat there for 30 seconds for a level to load on the Raid 0 raptor setup, will probably load in 10s on the Raid 0 SSD's (numbers aren't accurate, they're meant for a comparison purpose).
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May 11, 2010 6:53:10 PM

banthracis said:
Ok that statement is just laughable. 2 480gtx beats 2 5870's by less than 6% at 1920x1200 (in your vaulted Crysis as ultimate system power indicator, no less). It's not going anywhere near 2 5970's...

http://www.tomshardware.com/reviews/geforce-gtx-480-3-w...


It becuase NV has awesome scaling ion the 480s, and ATI Quadfire scaling is luagable.

Just cause a 5970 owns a 480 doesn't mean 2 5970s beats 2 480s.

Think before you talk :fou: 

And Crysis is the game hwere the GTX 480 fails the hardest.
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May 11, 2010 7:07:42 PM

builderbobftw said:
It becuase NV has awesome scaling ion the 480s, and ATI Quadfire scaling is luagable.

Just cause a 5970 owns a 480 doesn't mean 2 5970s beats 2 480s.

Think before you talk :fou: 

And Crysis is the game hwere the GTX 480 fails the hardest.



You really need to give some benchmarks to support your performance claims.


Unlike you, most of us here are trying to help people, not troll and start flame wars for no reason.


To the OP, please ignore builderbobftw. I'll quote what the moderators of this forum have to say about him

Quote:
It's one of several reasons you've racked up a lengthy sanction record. Your rope is running short.


http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/286032-31-rate-build
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May 11, 2010 7:19:43 PM



I got like 7 sanctions over 1 misundertanding, all were removed within 1 day.

EDIT: For Proof, Pm liquid, i think ti was.

I got into a discusion with him over thsi, and he showed me a wide variety of benches proving that, despite my views, that dual 480s do indeed own 2 5970s.
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May 11, 2010 7:57:26 PM

The only published comparison of xfire 5970's vs 2 way sli or 3 way sli 480's is here.
http://www.hardware.info/nl-NL/articles/amdnampoZGCa/Cl...

Summary
Heaven 2.0 Bench-
5970 xfire 78.2 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 69.2 FPS
xfire 5970 13% faster

Metro 2033
5970 xfire 80.3 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 86.1 FPS
480 2 way sli 7% faster

Dirt 2
5970 xfire 149.1 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 129.6 FPS
xfire 5970 15% faster

Call of Pripyat
5970 xfire 92 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 72 FPS
xfire 5970 27% faster

Hawx
5970 xfire 213 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 169 FPS
xfire 5970 26% faster

Metro 2033
5970 xfire 127.3 FPS
480 2 way SLI - 133.9 FPS
480 2 way sli 5% faster

On Average 2 way 480 sli vs 5970 xfire

5970 xfire is faster in 4 benchmarks, average 20.25%
480 2 way sli is faster in 2 benchmarks average 6%


FYI 5970 xfire beats 3 way SLI 480 in 2 benchmarks and basically ties in a third.

Please show me these magical benchmarks you have access to.

edit: corrected math error
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May 11, 2010 7:58:28 PM

Doen way before last weeks NV Beta drivers fixed SLI prefromance.
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May 11, 2010 8:46:39 PM

Once again. I've linked benchmarks to back up my claims. You've neither linked, nor cited any evidence.

Your claims have as much validity as me claiming a single 5850 will beat a TRI SLI 480 setup.

Both have evidence proving the claim false, and neither has any evidence supporting it.
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May 11, 2010 9:02:31 PM

Arn;t you the guy who attacked ATI multi GPU scaling in ym thread yeaterday?
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May 11, 2010 9:23:55 PM

Quote:
Doen way before last weeks NV Beta drivers fixed SLI prefromance.



You 're definitely right, but so does the ATi catalyst driver.
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May 11, 2010 9:40:42 PM

Yeh.

But still, NV made major chages las week.
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May 12, 2010 1:48:04 AM

I know you want intel and all. But dude. Let me put it this way. I'm 29 myself. Have a great job until the end of June. Working as a computer tech for a school, finally getting everything straightened out, thought man life is gonna be great. Then we got word budget cuts and personnel cuts are coming. No big deal, didn't think they'd cut tech because with a department of 4 we covered 7 schools, and our admin center. I got word a month or two ago that they cut my job. Thankfully I can pull my retirement and eliminate a lot of debt, so trying my hand at starting a computer business. Got a call this weekend actually....:) 

Did not think there was ANY way on earth they would cut my job. But....thing is you think you will x amount of $$, but don't plan on it.

So am I saying it's wrong to get a new computer? No. Trim it down further? A LOT. You say you want to game, why not look at a setup a little trimmed down. If you would consider going to an AMD setup with say a 955 BE or 965 BE, and a good board, I don't know with gaming if that would see much of a performance drop. If you've got the money, grab the 5970's you want, and a SSD.

You could still get a lot of what you seem to want in the build, but I think you could trim it down, cut 1500 or more off, and in the end have a system that is still a beast that you will be happy with, but not as much buyer's remorse. But with the way the economy is right now, you never know if your job will give you a pink slip next week. Personally, I say start with something solid you know you can afford, but leave some room for upgrades, and upgrade as you can. Credit cards aren't worth it. Thankfully I've nearly gotten rid of mine.

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May 12, 2010 6:15:25 PM

ohiou_grad_06 said:
I know you want intel and all. But dude. Let me put it this way. I'm 29 myself. Have a great job until the end of June. Working as a computer tech for a school, finally getting everything straightened out, thought man life is gonna be great. Then we got word budget cuts and personnel cuts are coming. No big deal, didn't think they'd cut tech because with a department of 4 we covered 7 schools, and our admin center. I got word a month or two ago that they cut my job. Thankfully I can pull my retirement and eliminate a lot of debt, so trying my hand at starting a computer business. Got a call this weekend actually....:) 

Did not think there was ANY way on earth they would cut my job. But....thing is you think you will x amount of $$, but don't plan on it.

So am I saying it's wrong to get a new computer? No. Trim it down further? A LOT. You say you want to game, why not look at a setup a little trimmed down. If you would consider going to an AMD setup with say a 955 BE or 965 BE, and a good board, I don't know with gaming if that would see much of a performance drop. If you've got the money, grab the 5970's you want, and a SSD.

You could still get a lot of what you seem to want in the build, but I think you could trim it down, cut 1500 or more off, and in the end have a system that is still a beast that you will be happy with, but not as much buyer's remorse. But with the way the economy is right now, you never know if your job will give you a pink slip next week. Personally, I say start with something solid you know you can afford, but leave some room for upgrades, and upgrade as you can. Credit cards aren't worth it. Thankfully I've nearly gotten rid of mine.


Seriously, things happen, don't build a sytem so over the top. It's just not worth it, especially if your putting it on credit...
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May 12, 2010 6:19:45 PM

He may not have to worry about this whole thing either way anyhow. I've heard it's easier to qualify for an Amex Gold card than Neweggs credit line lol
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