470 gtx vs 5850 vs 5870

Ohh and I run at 1900X1200 so that's why I was opting for the 470

physx -: useles
3dvision: ghosting+performance hit
cuda: are you a programmer?

get ati 5850vapor x and install asus bios and you re near 1gz
barrier and definately pwn gtx470

my2cents

Im not a proggrammer but why is physx useless? and I have an asus p6t deluxe so I already have the bios. And why not the 5870?

its not the bios of the motherboard it is the bios of asus 5850which you can apply on the toxic and it makes your 5850fly!!!

physx is supported by few games and it is not more then a marketing tool.. among 3 of these cards 5850will fit you the best.

is there a difference between the toxic and vapor x?

and out of the three without oc the 470 will be the best performer right?

no 5870 oc will beat gtx470oc
toxic card has vaporx cooling which is simply stunning

i am telling you that for much a lesser price you should get 5850vaporx and oc it to 5870levels you will need to flash you bios which i did and the result is astonishing

ok thnx you seem reasonable not like the ati fanboys who claim a 5850 can beat a 470

stock 5850 cant beat a gtx470
but a well ocd 5850 over 900mhz with good cooling like vaporx will give similar performance or beat a gtx470

yeah I know ive seen benchmarks

I'm probably going for the 470 though I don't really oc a lot so I think I'm just gonna oc my cpu for now.

You cannot overvolt the Vapor-x cards so their overclocked potential is pretty weak. I would get any reference 5850 and flash it with an Asus bios

I don't really want to oc I don't have a lot of experience and I don't want to risk it.

Then you should get the vapor-x or toxic IMO

Not overclocking? Well then the GTX 470 is likely your best bet. It is right between the 5850 and the 5870 and should improve slightly with more mature drivers and has an advantage in situations with moderate to heavy tessellation, the main benefit of DX11. This is all assuming that it can be had for $350. If not then forget it.

That said, get a 5850 and overclock it. Don't worry too much about harming the card, read a lot of guides and be careful and you will be fine. Get an XFX brand 5850 and you will have the best warranty anyway. Try for 850MHz+ on the core and 1200 MHz+ on the memory. If you decide that it isn't so difficult, flash the BIOS and increase the voltages and get it even higher. Note that you can only flash reference cards.

Some guides:
http://www.overclock.net/ati/633816-how-overclock-your-...
http://www.overclock.net/ati/705075-how-tell-ati-5xxx-r...
http://www.overclock.net/ati/671675-how-flash-your-5850...

I would have said 470 if it was cheaper than the 5870 but according to your European prices, the 470 is the same price as the 5870, then the 5870 is the best choice. So for 2 more Euro, you get a 5870 over a 470.

Thats without OCing.

HD5850 can perform within 10% of the HD5870 for the same clocks. belive it or not, a few have tried

the GTX470 is just a over priced fan heater, it can overclock yes but its priced like a HD5870 and that card is faster in every way.

The 5850 has 10% less stream processors than the 5870. In some cases the game will be less dependent on that number or more dependent, meaning a game will be usually above or below the 10% mark, but I would wager that ~10% is what you should expect.

Also, yes the European prices make the GTX 470 a useless product.

DUDE GET THE 5850. I just got one yesterday and holy sh*t is it fast man. im assuming ur runnin an i7, I was playing battlefield bad company 2 today MAXED OUT 1920 1200 res at 100-130 fps AND THATS BEFORE OVERCLOCKING. dont buy the nvidia man, thats an overpriced giant hype bucket. ati is screwing nvidia right now. AND U SAVE MONEY, down the road u could crossfire that badboy. Umm other examples. Im playing Metro 2033 DX10 Maxed out 50 fps. That is a HARD game to run. Crysis- Very high settings maxed out with 2x aa 30 fps . i havent found a game yet thats unplayable man. Get the 5850 its a no brainer.

i have the 5850 toxic, from personal experience, get it....

From the benchmarks I've seen on 1680X1050 and 1900X1200 on the highest settings the 470 ussually beats the 5870 and loses very badly in a few tests. And plus the drivers are still beta versions so I think I'm going for the 470 since heat really isn't a problem(I have two 60mm mini kazes for video card exhaust which should help a bit).

But driver maturity will make the 470 better won't it?

The 5850 trades blows with the 470, with the 470 generally being a tiny notch faster. The 5870 is on another level. If this card is only 2 euro's more than the 470 it is a no brainer really. Why are you considering the 470??

lol because I'm an nvidia fanboy  

Haha fair enough, but getting your money's worth is better for you than fanboyism  

I even wouldn't be looking at 470 when you can get 5870 for 2 more euros. OC'ed 5870 will beat that 470... But when fanboyism is comming into play, no arguments will help you. Wise people suggests you to get 5850 and OC it, that's the best advise, but you will never listen to it. Good luck with your 470...

haha lol but I can get a 470 for 350 euros on american websites and let it be shipped and I won't OC. And do they both have lifetime warrenties?

on low res and high graphics the 470 ussually beats the 5870

A 5870 Stock is faster than a 470 I dont know what review you are watching but 99% of the reviews shows it, unless you get the 470 and pray nVidia for giving you free boosts in the future.(Hoping)

An OCd 5870 will even surpass the 480 for your info.

Why did you open the thread if your so attached to the 470? lmao

good question  

And I'm talking about ceratin settin gs that the 470 beats the 5870(low res, tess on and AA on highest) since I'll be playing on these settings and yes I'm kind a hoping nvidia drivers will improve and maybe the 470 will improve a percents.

Due, There is no major title Real game where the 470 beats the 5870, Period.

(A few small games where Nvidia bribed devolpers to cripple ATI cards, Sure)

Lets try some facts, and not bias speculation or misinformation.

The GTX 470 will never beat the 5870, even with driver improvements, but it should be a good deal cheaper. The GTX 470 is right in-between the 5850 and the 5870 now and should increase in performance later, slightly. It also beats even the 5870 with moderate to heavy tessellation by a good margin. Also, it does overclock very well, and if you don't plan to volt mod or change the volts on any card, like most people, the GTX 470 will overclock right up there with the 5850 and the 5870, but the cooling will limit volt changes, though not necessarily rule them out. It does run hotter and use more power, but nothing too serious if you have a decent PSU and you aren't a drama-queen like most people on these forums today who think 50w is the end of the damn world.

Look around and look for better prices. The price of the GTX 470 SHOULD be right between the 5850 and the 5870, and at this price is a good buy. If it is close to the 5870, just get that and slap some extra "nVidia: The Way it is Meant to be Played" stickers on your case and call it a day.

It's 2 Euros cheaper.

Arguemnt ended.

Read the OP.

Read the thread.

Not worth it still.

To you bob, to you. We know you hate Fermi, we get it.

ok thnx seems like I'm going for the 470 unless something special happens.

Why?

The 5870 is 40E more...

Read what AMW1011 wrote he's the only one here not writing biased crap. And according to him the 470 gtx is a good buy.

Its a great card with clear benefits over the 5870. It still isn't as good of a deal as a 5850, generally, but its still a better deal than the 5870 and has some clear advantages.

If its only 2 Euro difference, the 5870 is a better buy, but the 470 is a solid card when its only $50 more than the 5850. 5850 is still a better buy IMO. but thats just me. In this case I would get a 5850, but the OP likes Nvidia, so there it is:-)

Again, he found it a good deal cheaper later in the thread so its a good deal in that context. Some of the Euro prices on these cards are just screwed up, though. You can buy a GTX 470 RIGHT NOW for $350 in the U.S., which many nay-sayers said would be impossible.

They are listed at $350, but I couldn't find one in stock.
Also- that is why I said that its a solid card for $350, but not for 2Euro less than a 5870.

yeah if amazon wants to ship it to Europe the price should be around 350 euros and btw the prices I listed in the first post are about 10 euros cheaper than they really are since those are without shipping and packaging.

The last GTX 470 on the egg sold out a few minutes ago.

I've been watching and refreshing pretty often throughout the day (especially since noon)- pretty sure it sold out this morning, not this afternoon.

No, there was one there a few minutes ago, and a few were in-stock a few hours ago. I wish I had bought one, the idiots who said it would never sell for the MSRP scared me away and I didn't have the money.