Longevity gaming pc 1000-1400

zizka · May 11, 2010

Hey, so kinda new to custom pcs. Typically I just order a dell and am done but kind of wanting to get more bang for the buck. The build is below, not sure if the ps is strong enough. Ideas?

* CD: Sony 24X Double Layer Dual Format DVD+-R/+-RW + CD-R/RW Drive [+2] (BLACK COLOR)
* CAS: Apevia X-Dreamer 3 Mid-Tower Gaming Case w/ Side-Panel Window & Temperature Display (Black Color with Black Ring & Blue LED Fan)
* CS_FAN: Default case fans
* CPU: Intel® Core™ i7-930 2.80 GHz 8M Intel Smart Cache LGA1366
* FAN: Xigmatek Dark Knight-S1283V Gaming CPU Cooling Fan (Double layer H.D.T. technology for maximum cooling) [+7]
* FLASHMEDIA: INTERNAL 12in1 Flash Media Reader/Writer (BLACK COLOR)
* HDD: 1TB SATA-II 3.0Gb/s 16MB Cache 7200RPM HDD (Single Hard Drive)
* KEYBOARD: Xtreme Gear (Black Color) Multimedia/Internet USB Keyboard
* MOUSE: XtremeGear Optical USB 3 Buttons Gaming Mouse
* MOTHERBOARD: * Asus P6T SE Intel X58 Chipset CrossFireX Mainboard Triple-Channel DDR3/1600 SATA RAID w/ eSATA
* MEMORY: 6GB (2GBx3) DDR3/1600MHz Triple Channel Memory Module (Kingston HyperX)
* MULTIVIEW: Non-SLI/Non-CrossFireX Mode Supports Multiple Monitors
* OS: Microsoft® Windows® 7 Home Premium [+104] (64-bit Edition)
* OVERCLOCK: No Overclocking
* POWERSUPPLY: 800 Watts Power Supplies [+39] (* CyberPowerPC XF800S Performance ATX 2.0 Power - Quad SLI Ready)
* VIDEO: ATI Radeon HD 5850 1GB GDDR5 16X PCIe Video Card [DirectX 11 Support] [+196] (Major Brand Powered by ATI)

1355.65 after shipping/taxes. Anything i should do differently or anything to heavily improve performance for abit more $?

tecmo34 · May 11, 2010

PSU on paper is strong enough. My recommendation would be to select a Corsair 750TX PSU, which is a better PSU.

Next question... Why buy CyberPowerPC instead of build yourself??

zizka · May 11, 2010

So, after checking out the prices of parts i'll only be saving about $100. Which I would lose in cost of tools/hassle. Prices according to newegg, although pricewatcher was abit cheaper i'm not sure if the sellers are as reputable.

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

Welcome to the forum.

^+1

As far as building it yourself goes...
1) Hassle? I find the experience very enjoyable actually.
2) Tools? You just need a phillips head.

Let me try to put together a better build on newegg and see what it comes to.

There's a Build Advice form in my signature that you may want to fill out in the mean time though, for fine tuning.

cmcghee358 · May 11, 2010

Price isnt the only factor. You can see where Cyberpower skimps on components. Who makes the hard drive? What firmware is it?

All it says is size, speed and cache. That is the most basic information to give the perception that it's quality. That is rarely the case. 7200.11 ring a bell? Deathstar?

zizka · May 11, 2010

Thank's for the tip

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE:Before 6/1/10
BUDGET RANGE: 1000-1400 After Rebates

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: gaming/movies

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: Monitor(planning on 32in lcd tv w/good refresh/contrast (stupid idea?), speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS:newegg
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN:N/A

PARTS PREFERENCES: Ideally I'd like this to last awhile, so going for longevity which i'v heard i7-930 is a good investment and later crossfiring ATI Radeon HD 5850

OVERCLOCKING: Yes, eventually
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Yes, eventually

MONITOR RESOLUTION: N/A

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: I'd like windows if at all possible and parts that will last/work with future upgrades.

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

So, you'll need to pick out a keyboard+mouse to go with this, but it's at ~$1300 after rebates with the OS.

CPU+MOBO
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?ItemList=Combo.381166

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226130

GPU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150491

HDD
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

PSU
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817371022

Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811119137

OS
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16832116754

Benefits of the custom build:

1) More reliable, faster HDD.
2) Superior MOBO with more features
3) More reliable, most likely lower latency RAM
4) Way better, crossfire capable, efficient PSU
5) Better warranty on GPU
6) All the intangibles - pride in your new build, etc.

zizka · May 11, 2010

Wow, Thanks for the help!

I had one question:

RAM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Prod [...] 6820226130
I've heard that 1600mhz is more beneficial when overclocking on the 930, or does it not really matter?

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

No problem. Your link doesn't work for me. 1600MHz won't add much performance, but it could help a tiny bit in high overclocks. I wouldn't get it if the price difference is very great.

zizka · May 11, 2010

My bad, it was just a link of a link. Another stupid question, are the ext warranties on newegg actually worth it?

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

No, not imo at least. I just rely on the manufacturer's warranties.

mosox · May 11, 2010

coldsleep · May 11, 2010

You could knock about $150 off that AMD build by going with a AMD 955 X4 BE and get the same/better gaming performance. There is no gaming benefit to 6 cores. Otherwise, good build.

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

+1 for the AMD options. I didn't get to see the completed build advice form before I put together my build. The AMD will serve you very well for gaming. My vote would be for the quad.

zizka · May 11, 2010

Few Questions:
So you'd say AMD>Intel for gaming?

Radeon HD 5870 vs 5850 worth 80$?

Mobo suggestion with AMD 955 X4 BE?

cmcghee358 · May 11, 2010

AMD>Intel for gaming ON A BUDGET imo. Caps used for inflection, not yelling.

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

I'd get this mobo for the Phenom
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131633&nm_mc=AFC-C8Junction&cm_mmc=AFC-C8Junction-_-RSSDailyDeals-_-na-_-na&AID=10521304&PID=3463938&SID=

jbakerlent · May 11, 2010

No, AMD is not necessarily better than Intel at gaming, but it offers much better value. I would say it's $80 more, but to be clear it's not a necessity at 1080p.

The gaming benchmarks are at the bottom.
http://www.anandtech.com/bench/Product/88?vs=47

cmcghee358 · May 11, 2010

Here's one with free shipping and a $15.00 MIR. (124.99)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813128416

zizka · May 11, 2010

Thanks for all the help/advice. Brought the cost down to 1271 w/mouse,keyboard.

gwb56 · May 11, 2010

zizka :

Hi. I bought a gamers rig from the same company and I'm so sorry that I did. I asked the question on their forum on what the longevity is for a CP rig and they stated 1 year. They use refurbished parts whenever and where-ever they can. After dealing with them for months on a bad motherboard design (my bad for not doing my homework) and after loosing my joy at having a new rig I just don't care anymore weather it blows up or not. The mobo is already showing signs of failure. If you haven't purchased one from them already, please build your own...gwb56

cmcghee358 · May 11, 2010

Also, I'd like to point out, that Toms Hardware forums junkies such as myself are better tech support than iBuypower and CyberpowerPC by far.

I know I have personally called someone on here and walked them through a NO POST troubleshooting until his build was good to go.

And we actually care. And it's free.

zizka · May 13, 2010

OK, so after doing some soul searching(budgeting), I've managed to allocate some more funds for the build. After researching forums/articles I think the following build will get pretty good bang for the buck. If you have any suggestions/replacements please let me know!

Case
Antec Twelve Hundred Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811129043

HDD
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16822152185

Optical Drive
LITE-ON Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Writer LightScribe Support
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16827106335

GPU
XFX HD-587X-ZNFC Radeon HD 5870 1GB 256-bit DDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16814150476

PSU
CORSAIR CMPSU-850TX 850W ATX12V 2.2 / EPS12V 2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16817139009

Memory
Mushkin Enhanced Blackline 6GB (3 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666) Desktop Memory Model 998832
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820226130

MOBO
ASUS P6X58D-E LGA 1366 Intel X58 SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16813131641

CPU
Intel Core i7-930 Bloomfield 2.8GHz 4 x 256KB L2 Cache 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1366 130W Quad-Core Desktop Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16819115225

Cooling
COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16835103065

With Mouse/Keyboard the total cost comes to $1737. Still price sensitive, so if I overdid one or two of the pieces, you won't hurt my feelings by pointing it out.

Edit: Also, had xfire in mind while building

jbakerlent · May 13, 2010

Looks very good for a X58 build. The only thing that strikes me as a bit too expensive is the 1200, but if you like it, there is certainly nothing wrong with it.

zizka · May 13, 2010

My thought process was the more space to work with the better, being a newbie and all. Although I probably have no idea what I'm talking about.

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