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a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 4:43:41 AM

I still can decide on a case :(  right now, ive narrowed it down to about 4 contenders:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

now, the CM 690 II advanced has 3 stock fans. I am planning on adding 2 side 120mm fans, and 1 more top 140 mm fan, which brings it to the same cost as the CM Storm Sniper. With the Storm i was planning on adding 2 120 mm side fans for a total of about 100$. The Sniper and Tempest Evo are pretty full of fans, so i dont think there are many places i can make for a good fan spot. Right now, with the fan additions, im wondering what case is the best value, what case is going to get the best airflow, and so on. I dont want the HAF 922/932, so its basically down to these 4.

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a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 4:47:54 AM

Why no the Lian Li PC-k62? It had great cooling on par with those other cases, the only truly working tool-less design, super clean looks like the 690, and is made by Lian Li so you know the design and quality is there?

Or you can get the PC-k56 and this for extra fan spots:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

I'm just saying, for under $200 there isn't another case in my opinion.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 4:55:54 AM

that was my #5 choice. its an amazing case, believe me, i know. however, it was a tad small, a bit more expensive, and id REALLY like to have a fan or 2 on the side, which u did give the side panel to fix, but all the others it come standard. its a possibility, but its more or less down to these 4.
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a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 6:16:21 AM

The great thing about Lian Li's Lancool series is that there is a lot of room for customization:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

More to choose from.

The problem with side fans is that they really don't give much extra performance.

You see, optimally the air is taken in from the front and exhausted out the rear and the top so that the cool air is blown over all components and the now warm is is exhausted quickly. The best way to do this is with extreme negative pressure. You have a lot of fans exhausting air so that more air is taken in from the holes and cracks in the case, IE the mesh on the front in the case of the Lian Li. This is the most efficient way of cooling a case because it is the least likely to cause "deadzones" where warm air gets trapped and heats up the case. It also creates a very linear path for the air to travel, which increases the speed of the heat dissipation.

Adding a side fan disrupts this and creates "deadzones" where warm air can accumulate. Most of the time, this negates most of the benefit of the extra fan, and sometimes it actually increases temperatures. If you are having GPU heat problems, then the most efficient way of fixing this is to take off the PCIe slot bracket underneath your GPU, or between your GPUs and have a fan pushing air straight through the gaps from the front of the case to the rear, causing a separate path of airflow without the "deadzones".

This is why I strongly suggest ignoring side fans, and looking at the flow of air and the internal pressure of airflow.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 6:18:32 AM

If you are set on having side fans, then I recommend the NZXT tempest if on a budget, as it comes with all the fans. The 692 probably gets my nod for looks between the four, though.

I also recommend getting this and getting some good fans with the money saved:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 1:41:02 PM

but i was also considering price and features. after im done with them all, they will all end up costing around 150$ with fans, mods, and fan controller. So price isnt exactly a big thing, obviously lower is better though. The Sniper is by far the biggest of all of them, and might have the best stock airflow, but it also could be the Tempest Evo. What about quality and features?
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 5:14:23 PM

Quality and features obviously goes to the PC-k62, but I don't think you can go wrong with the other ones either in that department.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 5:30:00 PM

quality, yeah probably, although all but the NZXT are pretty much going to definitely be high quality, and the NZXT is goood and gets good reviews. features though, i would think that would go to the Sniper or 692. whats so special about the k62 in features?
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 6:16:15 PM

PC-K62:
-Thumb screw mount motherboard design (Why doesn't every case have this?)
-Metal tool-less PCI bracket design (the only one that works)
-Tool-less bay design
-Intake dust filters, even on the mesh 5.25" bay covers
-PSU intake dust filter (An awesome idea, I hate the idea of dust in my PSU)
-8 expansion slots for 3 GPUs
-Tool-less strap PSU mount
-Removable top and front covers
-Large CPU backplate opening (Many are too small, especially Silverstone's)
-PSU wire management bracket

The CM 692 is a close contender for features too.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 6:48:52 PM

AMW1011 said:
PC-K62:
-Thumb screw mount motherboard design (Why doesn't every case have this?)
-Metal tool-less PCI bracket design (the only one that works)
-Tool-less bay design
-Intake dust filters, even on the mesh 5.25" bay covers
-PSU intake dust filter (An awesome idea, I hate the idea of dust in my PSU)
-8 expansion slots for 3 GPUs
-Tool-less strap PSU mount
-Removable top and front covers
-Large CPU backplate opening (Many are too small, especially Silverstone's)
-PSU wire management bracket

The CM 692 is a close contender for features too.


i think for almost everything you said, the sniper or 692 is the same. dont get me wrong, its a great case, but considering the cooling possibility of the 692, the lower price, the bigger size, and the similar features, are you sure the 692 isnt the only case under 200$?
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 7:12:06 PM

ares1214 said:
i think for almost everything you said, the sniper or 692 is the same. dont get me wrong, its a great case, but considering the cooling possibility of the 692, the lower price, the bigger size, and the similar features, are you sure the 692 isnt the only case under 200$?


No other case has the level of tool-less design as these new Lian Li cases, and by that I mean it actually works.

The 692 can hold a lot of fans, but they won't make it cool any better. As I stated earlier, the optimal path of airflow is front to back/top. The side fans won't help much or at all, the top one being completely useless as it will disrupt the exhausting flow and increase temperatures. The bottom fan is nice and should help a bit, but will be extremely difficult not to cover with wires. The fan placement on the other side will cool the hard drives even more, but that is all. For reference, I have a stock 25 CFM Silverstone fan blowing air onto my Samsung F1 500GB and it is usually between 17c-19c depending on ambient room temperature. The fan behind the motherboard likely won't do much either.

So for optimal airflow for the 692 you would have 1-2 intaking fans on the front and 2 top fans and 1 rear fan. Does that sound familiar? Note that the PC-k62 comes with both top fans already, good 140mm fans too. You can add a bottom fan if you have the space, but it won't add much as you are already intaking cool air from that area. You could also add the fan for extra HDD cooling, but that would just be redundant.

As you can see more fans =/= better cooling necessarily.

The 692 advanced is $10 cheaper than the PC-k62, but comes with one less fan, so that isn't much of a difference or any at all.

The 692 is less than an inch longer, and about as tall (most of the difference is the large rubber feat on the bottom of the 692). So they are basically equal in that regard.

The 692 doesn't offer the same ease of installation as the PC-k62, but does have eSATA so they are pretty close. Then again I prefer to have all my USB and such ports on the rear as the cables hanging from the front or top of the case looks too messy to me.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 7:13:04 PM

Do note that the CM 690 was the budget case of choice to me before the Tempest, and then PC-K62 came out.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 7:45:06 PM

a side fan does nothing? i have a hard time believing that, considering when my side 250 mm fan broke, my ambient temps went up 5-10 C and my cpu up about 5 C.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 8:06:35 PM

ares1214 said:
a side fan does nothing? i have a hard time believing that, considering when my side 250 mm fan broke, my ambient temps went up 5-10 C and my cpu up about 5 C.


Ah but the difference is that your case was designed around a side fan. They use different airflow dynamics than the cases you are looking at. The HAF 932 is designed to push a lot of air onto the motherboard with the large fan. The 250mm fan pushes a lot of air, but over a large surface area. This guards against "deadzones" as there isn't much air being pushed on any specific part. A 120mm fan or two won't act like this, they will push a larger amount of air on specific areas. Also the temperature difference should not be that high, it means you have obstructed airflow through the natural path.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 8:16:16 PM

no, cable managment is clean as can be, so i doubt obstruction. In any event, a side fan can only help, and 1 or 2 would be nice. a big one like on the sniper would be really nice too, eh?
July 18, 2010 10:10:33 PM

Hey are 1214..i just got this thing and i love it dropt my temps. 7C

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a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 10:24:37 PM

it also costs 200 bucks :lol:  with the HAF X, nah.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 11:52:59 PM

ares1214 said:
no, cable managment is clean as can be, so i doubt obstruction. In any event, a side fan can only help, and 1 or 2 would be nice. a big one like on the sniper would be really nice too, eh?


Again the case would need to be designed for a side fan, which the sniper is. Otherwise, there won't be much benefit. Ask everyone with an Antec 900, the side fan increases case and CPU temp a good 3-5c and slightly lowers GPUs 1-2c (I had one and this was the best case scenerio with a 110 CFM fan, otherwise there would be no difference except a slight increase in case temp). Yeah the side fan helps cool the Sniper, but that is because it is designed for the side fan, it doesn't mean the Sniper cools better or worse than the other cases.

What case did you have? I assumed HAF 932, but the fans are 230mm not 250mm so that can't be it. Also it is known that even the HAF 932 cools about as well without the side fan as it does with it, and we are talking about a nice 230m fan.
a b ) Power supply
July 18, 2010 11:55:26 PM

no not the HAF 932. but then fine, of all of them, what gives the best airflow?
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 12:05:00 AM

ares1214 said:
no not the HAF 932. but then fine, of all of them, what gives the best airflow?


I would have to give the nod to the Tempest. The problem is that the fans in it aren't the best, though not terrible either, and both the PC-k62 and 692 can be setup with the same placements of fans for a bit more money, but you will end up with better fans. But for stock cooling, the Tempest wins and will be very competitive with the PC-k62 and 692 with similar setups because of the Tempest's size.
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 12:16:53 AM

now, with the tempest, considering its the cheapest after fans, couldnt i just replace the stock fans with cooler master blue led fans:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

btw, do the red ones really get 20 more cfm??? they seem the same, thats hard to believe, but a red tempest could look pretty cool. :lol:  with the tempest, is there any certain airflow pattern i should be going for, such as adding or removing fans in certain places?
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 12:31:52 AM

ares1214 said:
now, with the tempest, considering its the cheapest after fans, couldnt i just replace the stock fans with cooler master blue led fans:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

btw, do the red ones really get 20 more cfm??? they seem the same, thats hard to believe, but a red tempest could look pretty cool. :lol:  with the tempest, is there any certain airflow pattern i should be going for, such as adding or removing fans in certain places?


1st, if you replace the fans then you could use the 692 or the PC-k62 instead if you prefer them.

2nd, those CM fans are absolute junk, and are known to push well under 60 CFM.

These are really good red LED fans:
http://www.frozencpu.com/products/10269/fan-669/Yate_Lo...

I love the looks of red LED fans too.

Between the PC-k62, Tempest, and 692, I don't think you can go wrong.
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 12:33:34 AM

those fans look pretty loud? although with 6 fans, i suppose quiet fans are more important than highest cfm.
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 2:44:56 AM

ares1214 said:
those fans look pretty loud? although with 6 fans, i suppose quiet fans are more important than highest cfm.


Yate Loon is honest about their DBA ratings, that's all.

If you want quieter:
http://www.sidewindercomputers.com/yalo12d1redl.html
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 2:49:18 AM

what about the enermax?
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 7:38:07 PM

ares1214 said:
what about the enermax?


The Enermax look good, but I have no experience with them.
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 7:44:18 PM

what about gentle typhoon, or S-FLEX?
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 9:40:45 PM

Scythe fans are great, my 110CFM Slipstream fans are as quiet as my Antec Tri-cool fans on medium, and easily push twice the air!
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 11:36:29 PM

ares1214 said:
yeah, ive heard as much. basically, as far as fans, its down to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and for cases its the Tempest, 692, and Sniper. Final votes?


I recommend using the Noctua fans were possible, they are excellent. Use the Enermax everywhere else. The Scythe Gentletyphoon fans are not in the same league, airflow wise, as the one you listed ends up be about 48 CFM. The Gentle Typhoons are good fans, but they are a different market, their design sacrifices airflow for static pressure, which is what you want for fans mounted on radiators.

If you are adding fans anyway, get the 692 but don't put a side fan over the CPU. If your not up for buying all those fans then the Tempest is your best bet.
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 11:40:01 PM

so with the 692, what is the optimal fan setup, and configuration?
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 11:53:12 PM

ares1214 said:
so with the 692, what is the optimal fan setup, and configuration?


1 x 140mm fan in front
1 x 120mm fan in front (5.25" bay HDD cage like: http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...)
2 x140mm top fans
1 x 120mm bottom fan
1 x 120mm rear fan
1 x 80mm fan for behind the MB
1 x 140mm fan on the bottom side placement if you need extra GPU cooling (testing may show this to do more harm than good, so test it before buying another fan)
a b ) Power supply
July 19, 2010 11:56:21 PM

see, a lot of other people were saying 3 would be the best. what about side fans?
July 20, 2010 1:27:51 AM

ares1214 said:
yeah, ive heard as much. basically, as far as fans, its down to:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and for cases its the Tempest, 692, and Sniper. Final votes?


boo, I was going to say go sniper all the way ares! looks way better imo but there is obviously a lot more then I thought to cooling when it comes to cases. That discussion on the dead-zones created by side fans is an interesting one to say the least. Always thought more fans were better too. Still if the sniper is designed for it then I don't see why it would be a bad choice.

Either way AMW seems to be quite knowledgeable on the matter so I would stick to his advice. I will see how this thread turns out to see if I should jump on the sniper myself or perhaps a different choice (although I hope not lol sniper looks awesome)
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 1:46:17 AM

ares1214 said:
see, a lot of other people were saying 3 would be the best. what about side fans?


What do you mean by 3?

As I said above, I recommend using a left over 120/140mm fan and installing it on the bottom placement on the side panel and watch the temps. Forget the top, it is too close to the exhaust which will just lessen the amount of air exhausted and increase case temps.



blitzace said:
boo, I was going to say go sniper all the way ares! looks way better imo but there is obviously a lot more then I thought to cooling when it comes to cases. That discussion on the dead-zones created by side fans is an interesting one to say the least. Always thought more fans were better too. Still if the sniper is designed for it then I don't see why it would be a bad choice.

Either way AMW seems to be quite knowledgeable on the matter so I would stick to his advice. I will see how this thread turns out to see if I should jump on the sniper myself or perhaps a different choice (although I hope not lol sniper looks awesome)


Well I had similar questions before and did a lot of research myself, so why not pass it on?

The Sniper will cool well, but don't expect it to necessarily do better than the other cases. It is also a positive airflow case, which is the best use of a side fan, but it isn't as inherently cool as a negative pressure design. Both are effective, but negative pressure will almost always cool better than positive with decent fan positioning. However, positive air pressure can cool real well too, and should do fine in the Sniper's case as there is a boat load of air being pushed with that case and it isn't extremely positive. The good thing about positive airflow is that it will track in a lot less dust than negative airflow, but dust filters still do the best job in that department.

The Antec 900 was the first really popular case to take advantage of this optimal path of airflow with a lot of airflow that I've been talking about, and thousands of people can attest to it's cooling performance. Also, the Antec 900 was one of the first sub $100 to beat out an open air bench, quite the achievement.
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 1:47:16 AM

yeah, sniper is awesome, i was completed decided on it for a long time. TOO MANY GOOD CASES! :cry: 
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 1:49:26 AM

ares1214 said:
yeah, sniper is awesome, i was completed decided on it for a long time. TOO MANY GOOD CASES! :cry: 


You have no idea....

I love my TJ07, but it seems that every few months another case comes out that temps me. Now there is the damn Lian Li PC-A77F...
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 1:51:32 AM

i dont really remember being much of a fan of Lian Li. they were usually out of my budget, and i used to be naive in the fact i thought more fans=more cooling, and most lian li have less fans, but in a better design.
July 20, 2010 2:04:00 AM

Yea lian li's can be quite expensive. Lian Li PC-A77F though AMW?! Sheesh that thing is a monster lol full atx tower @ $350 ay carumba

That's good to know the sniper isn't a failure at a case despite its positive airflow. I never knew that positive airflow was better for keeping out dust though (wouldn't bringing more air in put more dust into the system as opposed pushing it out though?)

My room is quite dusty so that's definitely a pro for me, like you said though the dust filters excel in that department. Well ares, I don't know about you man lol but this is one tough decision :p  I'm going to withhold judgment and default to the sniper if all else fails.

And thanks for all the info and research you've done AMW, I will definitely pass it on ;) 
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 2:30:27 AM

blitzace said:
Yea lian li's can be quite expensive. Lian Li PC-A77F though AMW?! Sheesh that thing is a monster lol full atx tower @ $350 ay carumba

That's good to know the sniper isn't a failure at a case despite its positive airflow. I never knew that positive airflow was better for keeping out dust though (wouldn't bringing more air in put more dust into the system as opposed pushing it out though?)

My room is quite dusty so that's definitely a pro for me, like you said though the dust filters excel in that department. Well ares, I don't know about you man lol but this is one tough decision :p  I'm going to withhold judgment and default to the sniper if all else fails.

And thanks for all the info and research you've done AMW, I will definitely pass it on ;) 




That photo kills me.

Also my current case costs $300, so I'm used to it.
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 2:40:58 AM

ha, well i usually like to keep the case below 150$. and black insides are so awesome to me, i just cant resist them :lol: 
July 20, 2010 2:54:17 AM

ares1214 said:
ha, well i usually like to keep the case below 150$. and black insides are so awesome to me, i just cant resist them :lol: 


*nods in agreement* $150 is definitely pushing it for me as well. The only reason I'm even considering the sniper is because I'm confident I can snag it for ~$80 when it goes on sale. Just keeping my eye on slickdeals for the time being.

Also, I never even knew they started painting black insides on cases but as soon as I saw it, I knew I wanted it lol ;) 

July 20, 2010 3:10:03 AM

Cooler master is a good case, I have it. The only complaint I have is the Side fans whistle because of the Honey Comb holes. Sucks to much air and causes a whistle. What I did was Cut out 2 old fans and used the Siding of the fan ( the circle part that goes around the blades) and glued it to my good fans. That way my fans are an extra fan length away from the side so they don't make noise. If you can picture that. Its 2 fans stacked on top of e.o but one doesnt have the actual fan. This wont work if you have a giant CPU cooler.
a b ) Power supply
July 20, 2010 3:17:00 AM

ares1214 said:
ha, well i usually like to keep the case below 150$. and black insides are so awesome to me, i just cant resist them :lol: 


Well I must admit that I love black interiors too, though silver interiors are awesome as well.



I won't buy more than one case, so I bought what would make me happy for many, many years. With slight modification I have achieved the same airflow design as the Tempest (I added the HDD cages off of an Antec 900, soon to be replaced though because the HDD cages block airflow and I want to make a complete mesh over the fans like the rest of the case instead of the multiple mesh 5.25" bay covers), but with the added benefits of a separate PSU compartment, and 2 92mm rear fans instead of 1 120mm fan. I also have great WC options if I ever want to go that route since the TJ07 can fit a quad 120mm radiator and 2 dual 120mm radiators internally without modification.

The difference? How much did you pay for your last case? Added together with your new case I'm betting your well over $200, while my $300 case has lasted me 3 good years and will last me another 3 years easily.

Nothing wrong with your way though, just explaining mine.

ares1214 said:
yeah, black insides makes all the difference, its makes 50$ rosewills looks better than $100+ cases:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/ImageGallery.aspx?CurImag...


Those Rosewill cases are amazing for the money, though I think this Silverstone has a competitive case:
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

You can get some insanely good cases for under $100 anymore.

I do admit that gray steel color is so ugly, I can't stand it.
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