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May 12, 2010 6:48:57 PM

Retiring my 8yr. old Athlon 2100+ Rig


APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: within next month

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: games (mostly RTS and some FPS), AUTOCAD (Lt. Flat Files no 3D), Office apps., Movies, Browsing, etc.

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com

PARTS PREFERENCES: AMD Phenom II x4, ASUS MB, ATI

OVERCLOCKING: Low hanging fruit - Nothing Extreme. Stability is most important

MONITOR RESOLUTION: Secondary importance - but dual monitor needed

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: My last build lasted this long because of quality parts - looking for the same. Expectecting resonable chance for future upgrades for some longevity.


Thoughts so far are:

CPU: AMD Phenom II X4 955 Black Edition Deneb
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$159.00

Mobo: Combo ASUS M4A87TD EVO with COOLER MASTER Hyper 212
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...
$118.00

Video: SAPPHIRE 100283-3L Radeon HD 5770 1GB 128-bit GDDR5
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$174.99

Memory: G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$119.99

Power Supply: Antec TruePower New TP-650 650W
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$79.99 (after rebate)

HDD: SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD103SJ 1TB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

Case: COOLER MASTER CM690 II Advanced
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$89.99

Optical Drive: ASUS Black 24X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 12X DVD+R DL 24X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA 24X DVD Burner - Bulk - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$24.99

Thermal Compound: Arctic Silver 5 Thermal Compound - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$9.99

OS: Microsoft Windows 7 Professional 64-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
$139.99

Total $1,006.92
May 12, 2010 8:57:26 PM

Here are my changes:

CPU/HSF: X4 955 and Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $182
Mobo/GPU: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 and HD 5770 $260 after rebate. I know it's not an Asus board, but it's still extremely high quality and much more future proof than the one you picked out.
Case/PSU: Antec 300 Illusion and Earthwatts 650W $120. A similar case, but will lower your total cost by $50. The PSU is basically the same.
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $19. The brand of optical doesn't matter, so you should just get whatever is cheapest.
Leave out the thermal compound. It's unnecessary unless you're trying to break a record.

By my count, that should lower your total to $931.
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May 13, 2010 8:37:01 AM

I would get a 5850, the 5770 is not going to last long before it needs upgrading.
With Admirals build you can fit in the 5850 instead of the 5770 for under $100 more than your original budget. Maybe less if a good combo is available.
May 13, 2010 10:53:32 AM

MadAdmiral said:

Mobo/GPU: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 and HD 5770 $260 after rebate. I know it's not an Asus board, but it's still extremely high quality and much more future proof than the one you picked out.


Negative on both mobo and suggestion that is is more future proofed that that Asus TS picked out:

How is a mobo on SB750 with 2 x SATA 6GB/s prolly via Marvell chip more futureproof than a SB850 with native 6GB/s support with 6 ports?

If one wanted an 8x/8x CFable board a cheaper alternative 800 series (8x/8x/4x tri CF capable but ya 8x/8x when 2 GPUs used)
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Review
http://en.ocworkbench.com/tech/exclusive-review-asrock-...
May 13, 2010 12:26:15 PM

You're right batuchka. I totally read over the "87" part of the board name and went right to the Evo. However, it is still more future proof because of the Crossfire, and the major difference between the 8xx chipsets and the 7xx ones are eliminated with a BIOS update...

@asteldian: Fitting a 5850 in to the budget would require dropping the CPU to the X3 440, which would hurt the CAD and other uses of the build.
May 13, 2010 2:00:40 PM

MadAdmiral said:
You're right batuchka. I totally read over the "87" part of the board name and went right to the Evo. However, it is still more future proof because of the Crossfire, and the major difference between the 8xx chipsets and the 7xx ones are eliminated with a BIOS update...

@asteldian: Fitting a 5850 in to the budget would require dropping the CPU to the X3 440, which would hurt the CAD and other uses of the build.



I was just concious that he mentioned gaming as a main use and wanted his build to last awhile, the 5770 is already at its peak, the future will show its budget quickly. He had not mentioned a specific budget limit so I assume it is around $1000.

The suggestions you had given was $100 cheaper than his. The 5850 is $309 rather than $149. So, it is an extra $160, and as your build had alreadysaved him $100 that meant it was only $60 (roughly, depending on deals/rebates available) more than his original budget to get a far superior card which I would have considered a worthwhile spend
May 13, 2010 2:05:51 PM

I know. It also depends on what resolution the OP wants to game at. If it's 1600x, he's fine with the 5770. If he's gaming at 1900x, the 5850 would be beter, but the 5770 is fine if you don't mind turning down the details.

Just for reference, here's the cheapest X4/5850 build I can through together and maintain quality:

CPU/GPU: X4 955 and HD 5850 $470
Mobo: Gigabyte GA-790XTA-UD4 $110 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $120
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
Case/PSU: Antec 300 Illusion and Earthwatts 650W $120
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $19
HSF: Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $27

Total: $921.

It's not that overbudget if the OP doesn't actually need Win 7 Pro (which I would be sruprised if the OP did), but it's still over budget.
May 13, 2010 3:05:50 PM

Thanks Guys!

mosox - The HIS Radeon 5770 appears to be well worth the change! I looked past the MSI card because of only one DVI output - not a big deal , but my SAMSUNG monitor seems to plays better with DVI and I plan to get a 2nd of the same.

Sorry for the bad link on the CPU - My selection was the newer C3 revision.

It's was a close toss-up between the CM690 II Advanced and the HAF922, but cost + shipping difference @ +$20.00 for the HAF922 is hard to justify - though I do like the 922's larger size and 200mm fans. The ANTEC case seams adequate but lacked an e-SATA port and filters (I'm a bit lazy keeping up with cleaning)

MadAdmiral- The MOBO and HSF combo I selected is actual a better combo price assuming the ASUS board (-$18.00 vs. -$5.00). As others mentioned, the 8xx series northbridge is the way to go. I really wanted an 890FX, but I had to sacrifice somewhere. The alternatives of 890 GX and 880G were considered, but it appears that you're paying for graphics that isn't needed. I doubt I'll crave crossfire so much that I'll use it as an excuse to scrap this rig since in a year or two the dual GPU 5850 should be quite affordable.

The ANTEC case and PS combo is a good deal, but I'm not overly crazy about the case. Plus, the EarthWatts PS lacks the Hybrid cable management (semi-modular), and has a little less load regulation (TP-650 3% vs. EW-650 5%) and lesser waranty (TP-650 5yr vs. EW-650 3yr). Leaving the case out of the combo the TP-600 at $79.99 (after rebate) appears to be a better all around fit.

The SAMSUNG DVD is a better price today - the ASUS was a week ago. I agree price is the main factor when everything else is the same.

Selected Windows 7 Pro because of true XP support and not just XP compatibility mode in Home Premium. I have a lot of older software including AUTOCAD that I'm somewhat fearfull will not run under Windows Home Premium. I guess I could do a dual boot of XP or Home Premium - It's just a hastle to change between the two.

I'm sold on the SAMSUNG F3. From everything I'm reading it looks to be the most capable for the price. It may be a couple of buck more, but the next option other than this would have been a SSD boot drive with a lower priced HDD which puts me well over my price cap.

batucha - I have a lot of respect for ASUS and see nothing other than high praise overall in reviews. The M4A87TD board is new and I haven't found any meaningful reviews to date which is a big concern. The ASROC is an option, but again how much are you paying for the 880G's integrated graphics - plus I've seen a several negative reviews out there suggesting that ASROC is somewhat of a 2nd tier manufacturer.

Again Thanks again for the input.
May 13, 2010 4:20:01 PM

Just a quick note, I believe there is a promo for the HAF 922 (or was recently) that amounted to it being half off. Of course, that may have ended by now, but it's worth a quick google and/or sign up for newegg email/facebook.
May 13, 2010 4:24:02 PM

I believe the code is MINIHAF. It's $50 off, if I recall correctly...
May 13, 2010 4:31:31 PM

The MINIHAF Deal would have been a changer - Expires 5/15 and I won't be ready to purchase for at least another week or so
May 14, 2010 7:17:03 AM

WMW said:



The ASROC is an option, but again how much are you paying for the 880G's integrated graphics - plus I've seen a several negative reviews out there suggesting that ASROC is somewhat of a 2nd tier manufacturer.

Again Thanks again for the input.


All/every mobo maker makes both gems and lemons and do read the review of that Asrock 880G Extreme3 and you could gauge more with the 890GX version (every bit the same cept higher clocked IGP) and no worries - u could look at the IGP as a 'bonus' if your discrete goes AWOL and u still have a fall back option whilst awaiting RMA hehe The sheer features/$$ makes 790GX/790X moot and even some higher priced 890GX for me!
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