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May 13, 2010 1:26:15 PM

So after weeks of reading review and comments from here, here is the final build of my computer. I just would like to know if everything fits and will run correctly together before I buy.

1. Intel Core i7 Quad I7-930 2.8GHz LGA1366 8MB 4.80GT/S
2. ASUS P6X58D-E X58 ATX LGA1366 3PCI-E16 PCI-E1 2PCI CrossFire SLI USB3.0 SATA 6GB/S Motherboard (P6X58D-E)
3. ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5
4. Corsair XMS3 Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 6GB DDR3 3X2GB DDR3-1600 CL 8-8-8-24 Core i7 Memory Kit
5. Cooler Master’s HAF 932
6. Corsair CMPSU-850TX
7. IC 7 Diamond (Compound)

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May 13, 2010 1:43:18 PM

You may want to follow the guidelines. If we know at least a budget and your intended use, we could put together a better build.

The first thing I notice is the RAM. To start, it's either the XMS3 series or the Dominator (it's the Dominator by the model number). Regardless, Corsair is overpriced, especially the Dominators. For that price, you can get the Mushkin Enahnced Redline 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 6, which are the fastest sticks out right now. Or you could save some cash and get some G.Skill Pi 3x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7. Either way, you really want to get some 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 sticks.

Second, the HAF 932 is an extra expense that's not needed. You can save a lot by getting the HAF 922 and lose basically nothing. The 922 added a number of great features, such as dust filters, better cable management and the ability to turn off the LEDs. It's a lot cheaper.

Thrid, you listed thermal compound, but not an aftermarket cooler. You don't really need the compound, even if you do get an aftermarket HSF.

Finally, and this is based on a big assumption that you're just a gamer, the GTX 470 isn't a great buy. I would spend the extra $40 and get the HD 5870. That would allow you to save more money by getting the 750W model of that Corsair PSU.
May 13, 2010 1:50:32 PM

1. 1500/1600 is my current budget.
2. Yes sorry it was the dominator, bad copy paste from the web. I'll check the review and benchmarks on the Mushkin. But last I checked the Cosair scored better I think.
3. The HAF 932 is not for fancyness but because I intend to put two GTX 470 in SLI (later). And it is one of the recommended Nvidia case for good airflow for the GTX 4XX.
4. I will use the stock fan for start, and then buy another later. Why don't I need the compound? It's for better heat dissipation.
5. Yes I'm a gamer. The choice between the GTX 470 and the 5850/5870 was my biggest question. I know the GTX 4XX heat and consume more. But after lots of hours of review (sadly =( ) I decided to go with the GTX 470 which in my opinion is not a bad choice. Price/Performance wise its very close to the 5850. As said earlier too, I take the 850 to go two SLI GTX 470.

On a side note I'm not close to your arguments, I'm just trying to understand. Thank for your help.
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May 13, 2010 1:59:48 PM

2.) Doubtful. The Mushkins are better by the specs, and G.Skill is currently the top RAM brand for performance.

3.) The HAF 922 has just as good of airflow as the 932, plus the additional features. I would at least take a second look at it.

4.) You don't need the compound because it has a minimal effect. Generally, you can count on getting 2-4 degrees (Celsius) due to the compound. If you're not trying for an absolutely monster OC, you'll be fine without it.

5.) The problem with the 470 is that performance wise, it's closer to the 5850 than the 5870, but the price is closer to the 5870. If it were $20 cheaper, it would be perfectly placed, but at it's current price, the 5870 is a better choice.

Just for reference, here's what I recommend for budgets of around $1,500:


CPU/HSF: i5-750 and Coolermaster Hyper 212 Plus $222
Mobo/PSU: Asus P7P55D-E Pro and Corsair 850W $300 after rebate
RAM: G.Skill Ripjaws 2x2 GB 1600 mhz CAS Latency 7 $120
GPU: HD 5970 $700
HDD: Seagate 7200.12 500 GB $55
Case: HAF 922 $100
Optical: Cheap SATA DVD burner $19

Total: $1,516

Using the i5 will not hamper gaming performance in the slightest, and will enable you to buy the 5970, which destroys any of the Fermi cards. The 850W PSU will allow you to add a second 5970, not that you should ever need to.
May 13, 2010 2:11:50 PM

You fucked my numbers :(  EDIT : Wait no you didn't :) 

2. http://www.madshrimps.be/?action=getarticle&number=19&a...

This is with the rev 2.2 (The 2.1 first review wasn't good because of a problem)

3) Yeah will do. But the HAF922 is not listed in the GTX 4xx certified case, and I intend to put two in the end.

4. I will overcloak my processor (10-15%, Just so I can keep the stock fan for now). After reading review, the compound makes a great difference. Not sure if the 930 comes with a Thermal pad, but apparently its not very good. At 2-4 is better than nothing when with the gtx470. For 15$ I wouldn't fight for that :) 

5. Yeah well, depend on what review you read. I saw the 470 beat the 5870 on some benchmark. The SLI scale better than crossfire too. The 5870 is 405$ and I buy the GTX470 for 359$.


I do more than gaming. I'm a programmer so sometimes I run more than one app and virtual machines. I'll be fine with the 930 :) 

Still I'm interested in your opinion. Thank for your patience.
May 13, 2010 2:20:13 PM

I can't go through that link, as I'm at work. But I'll take a look at it in a few hours when I get home...

3.) I don't buy into many manufacturer's recommended lists. They don't have time to test everything.

4.) Fair enough.

5.) The 470 beat the 5870 is very few games. If those are the ones you play, that's fine, but if they're not, it's worth the extra little bit. And by raw numbers, the price difference is $40 (there are two 5870 on Newegg for $399, a Gigabyte and a XFX), but there are numerous combos that offer large discounts on the 5870. I know of a few that are $20-30, which basically eliminates the price difference.

As for SLI scaling, that is true, but the added cost of the larger PSUs, the enormous power bill and the extreme heat generated outweighs the benefits.

In the end, it's your money. Im just offer suggestions to amke sure you know what you're spending it on.
May 13, 2010 2:48:20 PM

3. Yeah, same here. But I liked the case :)  I'll check if the 922 is built the same way. If yes I think it could be enought.

5. Yes It does beat it in few games. Overall we can agree that the 470 is better than the 5850 but lower than the 5870. The Price per FPS (or performance) (Taken from a review) is 9.04$ for the 5850 and 9.08$ for the GTX 470. Just looking at it mean that I pay more, for more. Which is great. I'm more interested in SLI scaling. Also the 470 offer a better future with next games.

I know it's a great debate, but that's my point of view. They consume more energy, that's right (And since I'm the one who pay the energy bill, I should care hehe). But as for the heat, with a good ventilated case, someone claim that he was not able to get to even more than 82celsius on load, with the card overcloacked of 100mhz.

Yeah, thank for your suggestions, I consider them don't worry. I'm just searching to understand :) 

May 14, 2010 8:07:00 AM

I have to confess of all the reviews I read I don't think I don't remember any having the 470 shown as being in good standing with the 5870 (then again I did not look at EVERY game comparison, just a few and then the conclusions, but I don't doubt you are right. But bare in mind that in some comparisons the 5870 actually beat the 480 - so you always get odd results with some games, you have a card that beat 'the most powerful single GPU' yet at the same time was beaten by an inferior GPU)

I guess it is all down to preference, I personally wouldn't go with any Fermi card for gaming, the heat, the noise and the cost and lack of extra performance makes it very unattractive. The 470 competes with the 5850 (and wins of course) but costs close to the 5870 which is a more powerful, quieter and less power consuming card.
Given the choice between the 470, 5850 and 5870 I would buy a 5870 (clearly if I can afford the 470 I can likely afford the 5870) because it is better.
Given the choice between the 480 and the 5870 I would still buy the the 5870 because its performance is not much worse yet is considerably cheaper, quieter and cooler.
Nvidia tried to get to clever with their latest GPU, and as a result I think they dropped the ball on this one. Hell, this has been the first computer I have had that didn't use Nvidia (good old Geforce 2....). As someone who was not a fan of ATI it was hard for me to go with them, but Nvidia left me no choice. Can't say I regret the decision.

Of course, you could just avoid the debate entirely and go with Admirals build and get a 5970 which is notably better than everything
May 14, 2010 12:22:51 PM

It barely beats it in a couple of games. The review on Tom's includes one of them, but I don't recall what it is off the top of my head. I know that it's a game that generally runs better using nVidia's cards, which would account for the differences.

The 5870 lost the most powerful single GPU title when the 480 was released. However, I agree that it's extra power isn't worth the $100 price increase.
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