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July 19, 2010 1:44:19 PM

Hello everyone,

I'm considering building my first CPU, in the past I've had Dell laptops/desktops and various "clones"
that I bought from specialized stores. I'd like to give it a shot and possibly explore the waters of overclocking...

I'm considering 2 cpu at the moment and I'm wondering which one would be the best for my purpose... Keep in mind that I'd like to be able to game with it and use it for photoshop.

Here is what I'm looking at :

Intel Core i5-650 Clarkdale 3.2GHz 4MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 73W Dual-Core Desktop Processor BX80616I5650

AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor HDZ965FBGMBOX

Both are priced at 179$ (newegg) and from the reviews of this site, the Intel seems to be one of the best bang for the buck...

In terms of stock power / OCed power, am I looking at the right place ? Should I consider another CPU? If not, which one would you recommend between the 2 ?

Thanks for your help

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July 19, 2010 1:53:24 PM

I have a budget of around 1000$ (monitor not included)
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July 19, 2010 2:15:12 PM

for $21.00 the i5 750 would serve you best, it is a quad core and would likely edge out the Phenom 965 in gaming and Photoshop.
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July 19, 2010 3:22:06 PM

yeah really if you are going to buy 1156 mobo go with i5-750 it will be better than the 2 cpu's you mentioned
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July 19, 2010 3:27:27 PM

I was just re-reading what I've put down, indeed I had considered the i5 750 (mainly because I read on the july benchmark that it was the best 200$+ cpu your money can get)

I guess I'll go with the flow and buy this one. Overclocking wise, does it compare to what AMD has to offer? I was under the impression that the stock clockspeed of the AMD for 179$ was pretty good!

Also when looking at the 2.66 GHZ speed vs 3.4 GHZ when comparing this time the i5 750 vs the AMD 965, what makes Intel that much better ?
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July 19, 2010 3:38:25 PM

LGA 1156 motherboards cost 2-2.5 times than that of am3. the i5 650 is a quick dual-core processor and the phenom II X4 965 BE is a fast quad and the amd will run muti-threaded and future applications better.......but the i5 750 is also good but certainly not better in all cases..........

here is a quick graph :



according to me the phenom IIx4 965 BE would be a smarter choice.......
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July 19, 2010 3:52:11 PM

Actually I would say a C3 stepping PHII X4 955 would be a better choice over a 965. AM3 motherboards generally do offer more options than that of a similar priced 1156 board. 1156 is looking to be a dead end in terms of upgrades as well. Sandy Bridge will be a new socket and from what I understand early bulldozer chips will be AM3 compatible. I like my i5 750. It is a great chip and I got a good deal on the cpu and motherboard and is really the only reason I have one.
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July 19, 2010 3:53:37 PM

If you are playing Fallout - at native speeds.

And even then, a chip running 27% faster only gives you less than 5% improvement in the benchmark.
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July 19, 2010 4:13:10 PM

Interesting benchmark, and intersting remark by jsc...

Any idea how the 965 compares to the i5 750 once overclocked? The AM3 board offers more possibility, I guess we are refering here to a future CPU upgrade, while the intel board will need to be updated with any new chips that will come out... Does it have anything to do with the overclocking capabilities ?

Thanks again for your answers guys !
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July 20, 2010 8:48:53 AM

raiyus13 said:
LGA 1156 motherboards cost 2-2.5 times than that of am3. the i5 650 is a quick dual-core processor and the phenom II X4 965 BE is a fast quad and the amd will run muti-threaded and future applications better.......but the i5 750 is also good but certainly not better in all cases..........

here is a quick graph :

http://images.anandtech.com/graphs/corei7860_091709181820/20083.png

according to me the phenom IIx4 965 BE would be a smarter choice.......


I think the Phenom II X6 for $200 is a much better deal, $20 for 2 more cores mate.

Much better for Photoshop.
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July 20, 2010 8:58:41 AM

That may be true, be if he plans to game, the 1055T isn't the way to go, the 955/965 is the best deal in my opinion because you have a wider variety of high quality mobos. Also, to what I can see AM3 is more future proof because it seems AMD plans to stick with K10 for a while. While Intel's 1156 and 1366 platforms seem to be coming to an end soon. Many sites have already predicted as much. Also the 955 is a great chip for the money you save 40$ vs the 750 and you can easily OC it to 4.0ghz or higher even with like a CM Hyper 212.
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July 20, 2010 9:09:32 AM

Well, at the same clockspeed, the Phenom II X6 can't be any slower.

I think it's much more rounded. It's $20 more, the fps difference is very minor given the slight bump on the 965.

Newer games will eventually give a boost to the Phenom II X6 due to better multi-threading.

It's worth it given it will be faster in Photoshop.

You get almost the same selection of cheap AM3 boards.
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July 20, 2010 9:14:09 AM

amdfangirl said:
Well, at the same clockspeed, the Phenom II X6 can't be any slower.

I think it's much more rounded. It's $20 more, the fps difference is very minor given the slight bump on the 965.

Newer games will eventually give a boost to the Phenom II X6 due to better multi-threading.

It's worth it given it will be faster in Photoshop.

You get almost the same selection of cheap AM3 boards.




^+1 i agree the x6 is more multi-threaded and you always got an option for OC.....it will just destroy the x4 in speeds of 3ghz
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July 20, 2010 9:28:30 AM

If you speak of performance at stock speeds then the Phenom II x6 1055t in BEHIND the i5 750 in gaming and photoshop - http://www.anandtech.com/show/3674/amds-sixcore-phenom-.... It is only ahead in 3D rendering, encoding and in archiving to some extent(though the i5 is not that far behind).The Intel i5 750 has very impressive power consumption, while the AM3 based system is going to cost less and leave options for the future.If you can, wait for the next generation of AMD/Intel motherboards.If not then go for the X6 if you want to upgrade later.
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July 20, 2010 10:59:37 AM

-.- The 750 is ahead of the 1055T for now in gaming... IF you actually look at it. Many games don't even use the 6 cores or 4 cores available. But even then, quad cores are better and more efficient. That's the only reason why the 750 beats it. Once games are coded to use more cores, I'm sure the 1055T will beat it in gaming.
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July 20, 2010 3:47:36 PM

aznshinobi said:
That may be true, be if he plans to game, the 1055T isn't the way to go.

He intends to overclock. The 1055t has a better chance of getting to 4.0+GHz
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July 20, 2010 4:37:19 PM

X4 965 Black Edition is the way IMO. AM3 socket is more than fast enough so is sortof futureproofed. Intel leach you for money at every turn by making every new generation have a new socket for no advantage. Its faster than its closely priced competitors and has lower power consumption (125w) so OC much better.
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July 20, 2010 6:31:27 PM

Hey guys,

A little update on my situation, after reading your answers and looking at the reviews on this site I will go witht he i5 750. Even though the base clockspeed seems less attractive, the overall ability to overclock it seems more attractive.

You can get the intel chip to 3.6ghz without stability problems while the AMD seems to only go to 3.8-4ghz (from a base 3.2) before encountering problems. By looking at the benchmarks the intel chipset also seems more efficient per ghz than the AMD one.

I will be running a cooler and will probably achieve somewhere around 3.8 ghz on the intel chipset, I'm still open to the AMD chip but I'm not convinced it will be worth it performance wise (unless I want to keep the motherboard and upgrade the chip in the future)

Thanks for all the help, it really made me think more and understand quite a bit more about how it works.
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July 28, 2010 2:32:52 AM

Best answer selected by linhlinh.
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July 28, 2010 11:33:26 AM

linhlinh said:
Best answer selected by linhlinh.

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