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May 15, 2010 1:12:59 PM

APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: Approx June/July

BUDGET RANGE: 1000-1250 each (able to go 1500 if worth performance is worth it)

SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: Playing Eve Online and racing/flying games on high settings, movies, surfing

PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, OS, speakers

PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: Newegg

COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA

PARTS PREFERENCES: None really, willing to go amd or intel for cpu and either of the gpu companys

OVERCLOCKING: Yes

SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Will be in the future

MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1200

ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: This will actually be two comps built at the same time. I haven’t figured out what aftermarket cpu cooler I would use.

Current list:

Case:
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 Blue RC-932-KKN3-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard:
ASUS Maximus III Formula LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram:
CORSAIR DOMINATOR 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model CMP4GX3M2A1600C8
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Video card:
SAPPHIRE 100297L Radeon HD 5830 1GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.1 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX Support Video Card w/ ATI Eyefinity Technology
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU:
CORSAIR HX Series CMPSU-850HX 850W ATX12V 2.3 / EPS12V 2.91 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular Active PFC Power Supply
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD:
Western Digital Caviar Blue WD5000AAKB 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache IDE Ultra ATA100 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 15, 2010 3:25:11 PM

Well, if you are looking for an air cooler, your search is over ... This is our most popular recommendation (bar none) ... ask any tech, worth their salt. Any tech who tells you that paying any more is "worth it", has no clue.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

May 15, 2010 3:31:31 PM

I can think of three HDDs that out-perform the "blue" and are a better value ... they are:

(1) SAMSUNG SPINPOINT F3 (500GB or 1TB models)

(2) Seagate 7200.12 (500GB or 1TB models)

(3) Caviar Black (but only if you are brand-loyal, to WD)

*******************

This RAM is a better value (CAS7, faster, cheaper, works better) ...

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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May 15, 2010 3:34:45 PM

I do not see a DVDR (optical drive) ... this is necessary ...

Search newegg on "SATA DVDR" ... and ... sort by "most reviews" ...

Recommend ...

Sony Optiarc ... $22

Samsung ... ~$26

Asus ... ~$24

Take your pick.

May 15, 2010 4:06:12 PM

OK ... then put me in my place and show me the reviews/benches ...

Cost vs. efficiency ... what is gained by spending more than $30 ... educate us !!!

I am definately NOT convinced !!! ("extreme" OC or not).

= Al =
May 15, 2010 4:32:00 PM

Well ... That certainly is a very handy and comprehensive table !

Too bad it does not list the MSRP, for each option, and calculate an "efficiency/dollar" rating ... Do they (at least) let you sort by each column/field?

What the table tells ME is that the HYPER 212+ is in the upper 3rd (where we are measuring in tenths of a degree Centigrade) and that those small gains do not reflect the price premiums (at first glance, anyway) ...

... Am I not paying close enough attention ??? What am I missing that you would trump my recommendation (on this budget) ??

I am as interested for the sake of my OWN build, every bit as much as for the OP's.


= Regards =
May 15, 2010 4:40:58 PM

I am also both sad and surprised to see NO option that provides less than 30dBA noise ...

... I know there are 120mm fans that come-in at under 20 deciBells ... I guess we would have to swap the original(s) out ... for a more quite build ...

... My goal? ... ~20decibels at 3 feet distance from the system ... would be best for a project studio.

May 15, 2010 4:56:45 PM

Or ... if like me ... trying to pare a 7 hour output render, down to 4 hrs, with a 930 and 6GB of 1600c7 ... the cost might be justifiable ... But in terms of actual frames per second ... I ain't so sure a better GPU would not be better use of the $20 increase ...

.... just to be a pill (and to argue every possible point, into the dirt).

= Al =

... but "good dope" ... though!
May 15, 2010 5:08:05 PM

HAIL, YES !!

... GADS ! ... I didn't even see that 5830 !! ... What a DOG! ... That is a "dumpster rescue" GPU ... Ati was throwing them away, 'till some genius realized they could just "certify" the shortcomings ... and SELL THEM !

... DEFINATELY! ... 5850 !

= Alvin =

(ok ... I am satisfied with the outcome of this, rather civil, flame war). And I will look harder at "non 212+" options ... as my build date solidifies.

May 15, 2010 5:12:54 PM

Just FYI ... A 5830 is a card that failed the 5870 test regime and, then also failed the 5850 quality test, as well ... ALL those cards used to go straight to the dumpster ... then ... somebody figgered that lot's of them could still be salvaged and would (at least) out-run a 5770 ...

.... I just could not go for such a "candidate" ... makes me wonder about possible latent faults and instabilities ... which might manefest with age or load.

= no, thanks! =
May 15, 2010 5:16:48 PM

Thank you for the responses so far, I forgot to put my optical drives and I have already chosen the sony optiarc, as for the cpu cooler, I am going to go with the tuniq tower due to the fact I plan on oc to about 4 ghz and the my comps tend to run warm. For the HDD I think I will go with the Spinpoint (bad experience with seagate)
May 15, 2010 5:20:40 PM

a righteous plan !

PLEASE ... ditch that lame 5830 !!!!!!!

!!!

!
May 15, 2010 5:28:14 PM

And ... BTW ... the whole reason for "upping" to the 58xx cards is to play at highest rez with decent settings ... Guess what the 5850 will BARELY do and that the 5830 WILL NOT ???

... If you are going to "cheap out" ... then you would be doing just as well (gaming experience) with a 5770 (rather than 5830) because, like I said, ... it takes AT LEAST a 5850 to do higher rez, with some features turned "on". ... 5830 is a pointless waste of mooh-lah.

Benchmarks are available ... and ... tho I have never scrutinized any benches, for the 5830 (since the first reviews, anyway), ... I can definately state that I have seen MANY benches for the 5850 and, it barely gets you into the "full-rez/full-features" ball-park.

= Whatever, tho ... yer dime =
May 15, 2010 5:28:25 PM

What do you guys think of this

SAPPHIRE Vapor-X 100282-2GVXSR Radeon HD 5850 (Cypress Pro) 2GB 256-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready CrossFireX
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

This pretty much puts me at my upper limit but I figure i don't need to upgrade within the next few years, also would it be more cost for performance to go with the following:

ASUS Crosshair IV Formula AM3 AMD 890FX SATA 6Gb/s USB 3.0 ATX AMD Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
May 15, 2010 5:41:05 PM

Yup ... I have been instructed (can't think of who ... hmmm ... Timop?) that the VaporX cards cannot be OC'd ... huh? ... well, that is what one tech told us, on one thread.

... I *LOVE* sapphire ... just not the VaporX ... unless quiet is paramount, over OC ...

... The VaporX also costs (usually) up to $40 more than the non-vapor sapphire cards.

= Al = Performance is actually (potentially) better, with a standard OC'd Sapphire.

May 15, 2010 6:41:50 PM

yes indeed you can't really OC the vapors more than the factory OC(since you can't overvolt them).
May 15, 2010 7:36:52 PM

Oh ... most definately !

What ^HE^ said !

= Al =
May 15, 2010 7:42:26 PM

That was a butt-load of hard work ... and, an impeccable build, BTW !

In fact ... spending any more would be a waste, at this point in GPU/CPU history.

You should put this build "in a can" ... It will hold best all around value for at least a couple of months ... as far as all products, now, or on the immediate horizon ... this is pure gold.

= Al = [:bilbat:5]
May 15, 2010 8:00:01 PM

Must disagree with Mister "T" (I'm a poet) ... on the RAM ...

Completely disregarding my "intuitively cumulative impression" of Patriot as a "hit and miss" brand, in general ... (SSDs ... RAM ... Seen some funky (user) reviews).

These RipJaws are "Standard Issue" for that CPU and BOARD and, if you will PLEASE look at the sheer number of reviews with OVER 95% avove average satisfaction ...

I have guys like you come back to ME, when things go wrong with your build ... I am saying that I am less likely to see you back here, with the G.Skills (unless you just gotta thank me, again) ... BUT ... if/when you DO have any sort of voltage or timing issues, we will know exactly what we are dealing with ... with the Cas 7 Ripjaws at LESS MONEY !! ($109?) ....

... Prolly, both kits would work ... but why pay more for an "off option" kit that has 4 reviews, vs. 119 (all good!) and which ALL senior techs, on this forum, are very familiar with and very quick to recommend.

... But ... egg will be happy to RMA either brand ... within 30 days.


= Al =
May 15, 2010 8:18:48 PM

WTF ??? *THESE* TIMINGS ARE SUPERIOR

Speed DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800)
Cas Latency 7
Timing 7-8-7-24-2N
Voltage 1.65V


*THIS* PRICE IS LOWER ... $109 ? (that's what the page shows, anyway)

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

And ... on a 12 hour output render ... the RipJaws might save you 8 minutes (at best) ... You sure ain't gonna see the difference in fps ...

... Just LOOK at how MANY people have tried this RAM and reported back ... happy.

... "awsome timings"? ... They are both "cas 7" and the ripjaws are clocked at 1600, vs. 1333 ... The Ripjaws are faster ... they are "Standard Voltage" ... they are cheaper .... they have more (AND better) reviews ... and ... they are the most recommended and best supported kit on this entire website ... DOG ?!

= Al =




May 15, 2010 8:21:12 PM

Oh .... too busy running my mouth to hear you whispering ...

... tip .. toe ... tip ... toe ... [:jaydeejohn:3]


May 15, 2010 8:25:30 PM

I have DONE THAT and I know WHY you did it ... It is because of the "PC rating" of the 1333 ...

May 15, 2010 8:25:37 PM

the second half ... in parentheses ...


DDR3 1333 (PC3 10666)
May 15, 2010 8:29:17 PM

How does that bumper sticker go ? ...

" Dyslexics, of the world, UNTIE ! ! ! "

= dameon =

May 15, 2010 8:34:53 PM

Quote:
Case+PSU $280:
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 ATX Full Tower Computer Case + COOLER MASTER RS850 80Plus Bronze Modular PSU Combo
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Motherboard+GPU+DVD Burner $475(after $10 MIR):
MSI P55-GD65 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard + ASUS ENGTX470 GTX470 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 Video Card + ASUS DVD Burner
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


CPU + Cooler $252:
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz 8MB L3 Cache LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor + Prolimatech Megahalems Rev.2
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Ram $110:
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


HDD $55:
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Total:$1172

Though the GTX470 runs hotter and louder, at that price its a steal, it performans better than the 5850s also. SLI scaling is also slightly better, Given that 850W should power 2 in a breeze, go for it.



This is a very nice setup for me, and since you guys saved me money overall i think i might upgrade the cpu to the http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... while keeping it lga 1156. I have to say i didn't think i could get a nvidia 470 with that price range and have a decent comp
May 16, 2010 3:32:37 AM

*I* did not save you money, just to have you waste it on a proc that won't game any better.

... It's the GPU, STUPID ! ... If you are feelin' all flush, go on and get a 5870 ... !

= Al =

Games don't give a ratz arse about HyperThreading ... that's all you get ...

Go to anandtech and do the benchmark comparison tool !

= Al =
May 16, 2010 3:35:18 AM

860 is for prosumer graphics rendering.

750 is for extreme gaming OC

= Al =
May 16, 2010 3:54:59 AM

I can't imagine a render engine that would not make a great gamer ... You are simply paying for stuff the game will never use ... even if you DO get (what?) 7 more fps ??? if that ? (guessing).

Just like more than 4GB of RAM is "mostly" a waste.

The i3 is a good gamer ... the i5-750 is a GREAT gamer ... and ... MOST ALL gamers who have a flexible budget STILL go for the 750 ... even when they could have an 860 or 930 ... Why? ... They know stepping up the GPU is paramount ... and, even the latest X58/GPU benchmarks prove this out. .. FPS@REZ SCALES WITH THE GPU !!! <<< almost ENTIRELY (except with nVidia cards on VERY slow CPUs).

= Al =


May 16, 2010 4:21:36 AM

Yup ... Even tho 860 is at the very BOTTOM of that line ...

I would sure rather brag about my 5870 x 2 ! (if I had one ... sniffle).

= Al =
May 16, 2010 4:34:53 AM

Rather a Camry with a BluRay player ... for me !
May 16, 2010 4:36:27 AM


Looks like the OP "got a life".
May 16, 2010 4:46:21 AM

Hey ... because of you and me ... there are hundreds of happy gamers, out there, who are too engrossed in CRYSIS to even realize that THEY do not have a hot date, on Saturday nite ...

... I am such a cheap-skate ... I actually get a charge out of thinking about all the money that I am NOT spending, trying to impress some wench ...

... Like I said ... IT'S THE GPU, STUPID !

= Al =

May 18, 2010 2:58:31 PM

After much consideration, I decided to go with the build you guys came up with minus a tweak or tow due to supply, all prices here are actual prices w/o rebates due to delay of purchase

Cases: 159.99 each
COOLER MASTER HAF 932 RC-932-KKN1-GP Black Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Thermaltake Xaser VI VG4000BNS Black / Red Aluminum / Steel ATX Full Tower Computer Case
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU: 159.99
XFX Black Edition P1-750B-CAG9 750W ATX12V v2.2 / ESP12V v2.91 SLI Ready CrossFire Ready 80 PLUS SILVER Certified Modular ...
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: 159.99
MSI P55-GD65 LGA 1156 Intel P55 ATX Intel Motherboard
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU: 199.99
Intel Core i5-750 Lynnfield 2.66GHz LGA 1156 95W Quad-Core Processor
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Heatsink: 62.99
Tuniq Tower 120 Extreme Universal CPU Cooler 120mm Magnetic Fluid Dynamic LED Fan and Fan Controller/Heatsink
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Ram: 109.99
G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

GPU: 349.99
ASUS ENGTX470/2DI/1280MD5 GeForce GTX 470 (Fermi) 1280MB 320-bit GDDR5 PCI Express 2.0 x16 HDCP Ready SLI Support Video Card
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD: 54.99
SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive -Bare Drive
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Also when I last posted it was 2 am and I had a 16 hr flight coming up, so no life for me
May 18, 2010 5:26:34 PM

Pristine and slick as owl-poop !

HAF-922 or ANTEC 300 ILLUSION ... satisfaction guaranteed.

No experience or direct knowledge of that cooler, but the description is formidable and they are a prevalent brand ... should be great, if not a little bit pricey.

Pull that lever! Good to go !

And, as a parting gift ... READ THIS THRU, the nite before "build day" ... sleep on it and refer to it frequently, during your build ... it will save your ass!

http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/261145-31-perform-ste...

= Great Job! .. Enjoy !=
May 18, 2010 11:38:24 PM

Quote:
The 922 is the 932 without internal radiator support for the most part. I didn't suggest it last time because it was $100+shipping and sold out, while the 932 is only $10 more expensive after shipping. But now the 922 is only $90+free shipping (YAY delay), its a great buy. http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...


932 = Full

922 = Mid

= ? =
May 19, 2010 5:40:47 AM

Yeah ... But, I don't wanna go and just look at the dimensions cause that would spoil the mystery!
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