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February 3, 2011 10:58:07 PM

Hi Guys,

I'm a newby to Tom's hardware forums. I'm looking for a new system build..primarily for gaming. Budget of about $1200-$1500.

The question I had was, since the P67 Mobos are being recalled, what is the next best option. Should I look into x58 mobos or wait till the P67's are release with the fix? I don't really want to wait till April/May when those boards will be in full circulation.

I was looking into the Asus Rampage III line of Mobos. Anyone here have any experience w/these or do you guys have any specific recommendations?

This is my premilary components list:

2xAmd 6950s
1000-1200 watt psu
corsair h70 cpu cooling
I7 950 (any recomendations will be appreciaited)
2tb Hd (for Movies/Bluerays)
64gb or 128gb SSD
24gb Ram...so 3x G.SKILL Ripjaws X Series 8GB (2 x 4GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL9D-8GBXL
Windows 7 o/s
Nzxt Phantom Case (Black)

Any feedback/Opinion will certainly be appreciated. Thank you for your help.

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a c 715 V Motherboard
February 4, 2011 12:04:06 AM

Welcome to Tom's Forum! :) 

Well for Gaming the X58 is the better platform for CF/SLI, and no i7 9XX is going to bottleneck any GPUs -- plus the P67 is still an x8/x8 vs X58 x16/x16. {see below}

You need to add all this stuff-up, it's blowing your budget.

Changes:
Better GPU option SLI GTX 560 Ti
SSD Options {I'm partial to the C300 SATA3 or RevoDrive -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-233-125^20-233-125-TS,20-227-578^20-227-578-TS,20-148-362^20-148-362-TS,20-148-348^20-148-348-TS
PSU HX1000W {plenty for 2-WAY} or AX1200 for 3-WAY
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Make certain that you get a 64-bit version of Windows 7; I prefer Windows 7 Pro x64, but Home Premium x64 is fine.
--

RAM - unless you are Rendering, 6GB total is plenty. Otherwise I would start out with 3X4GB Kits, you do NOT want to mix-match Dual Channel kits on the Tri Channel MOBO.

Great 3X2GB - Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24-2N 1600MHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Great 3X4GB - CORSAIR DOMINATOR CMP12GX3M3A1600C9 9-9-9-24-2N 1600MHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My friend @tecmo34 has a fantastic link -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/269162-31-recommended...

Building chart:
February 4, 2011 12:29:58 AM

First of all: Thank you for your kind and prompt reply! =) You brought up a great point, I'm def. going over my budget :lol:  I appreciate your help once again...Just wanted to verify something(s):

GPU: You recommend 2x 560gtx in sli/ti over 2xhd 6950s (1gb) in crossfire?? I was researching and found that mainly 6950s in crossfire were performing better...but since I'm new..I'd def value someone's opinion who is more experienced that I am lol...

Ram: I forgot this was going to run in tri channel...would you recomend getting corsair over Gskills rip jaw series (tripple channell)...in price/performance?...6gb will be good to run most games at max settings or opt for the 12gb?

Thanks once again, I looked at the chart and was very useful =)



jaquith said:
Welcome to Tom's Forum! :) 

Well for Gaming the X58 is the better platform for CF/SLI, and no i7 9XX is going to bottleneck any GPUs -- plus the P67 is still an x8/x8 vs X58 x16/x16. {see below}

You need to add all this stuff-up, it's blowing your budget.

Changes:
Better GPU option SLI GTX 560 Ti
SSD Options {I'm partial to the C300 SATA3 or RevoDrive -> http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-233-125^20-233-125-TS,20-227-578^20-227-578-TS,20-148-362^20-148-362-TS,20-148-348^20-148-348-TS
PSU HX1000W {plenty for 2-WAY} or AX1200 for 3-WAY
--
Make certain that you get a 64-bit version of Windows 7; I prefer Windows 7 Pro x64, but Home Premium x64 is fine.
--

RAM - unless you are Rendering, 6GB total is plenty. Otherwise I would start out with 3X4GB Kits, you do NOT want to mix-match Dual Channel kits on the Tri Channel MOBO.

Great 3X2GB - Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24-2N 1600MHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Great 3X4GB - CORSAIR DOMINATOR CMP12GX3M3A1600C9 9-9-9-24-2N 1600MHz http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

My friend @tecmo34 has a fantastic link -> http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/269162-31-recommended...

Building chart:
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/Build_Chart_Q1-2011-1.jpg

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a c 715 V Motherboard
February 4, 2011 1:21:55 AM

GTX 560 - it depends upon the Game AND comparing SLI (2) vs CF (2), about the only game I can think of is Just Cause 2 where the AMD is the clear winner. Next, comparing Apples with Apples the GTX 560 is cheaper. Next is the resolution and the the AA, I don't look at anything less that 1920 X 1080 8xAA. Lastly and most importantly, OC the GTX 560 is easily OC and runs cooler and then for all but a few games will beat the AMD and still run cooler.

Also, the only HD 6850 that beat the GTX 560 are the 2GB that are ~+50/card more +$100! Budget??!! You can spend $100 total more for the GTX 570 and have zero doubt which is better.

In gaming, I never go the ATI route and always go the nVidia route because of the overall scaling advantages, granted some of the newer AMD GPUs do well.

Nice article single GPU -> http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...

RAM:
Comparison Module #1: Mushkin Redline 996805 6-8-6-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #2: G.Skill Pi Series 7-8-7-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #3: Mushkin 998687 8-9-8-24 1866MHz
Comparison Module #4: Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #5: Kingston HyperX T1 9-9-9-27 1600MHz
Comparison Module #6: Mushkin Blackline 998677B 7-7-7-20 1333MHz
Comparison Module #7: Patriot Viper II Sector 7 9-9-9-27 1800MHz
Gaming OC 1800 MHz:

Stock:


February 4, 2011 1:54:07 AM

Good point for the GPU..I'll look at that 560gtx ti article for review...I have heard elsewhere that it is very Overclockable (560ti).

As for the memory, I will probably stick to the corsair dominator 6gb kit ddr 1600..

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

what is your final recomendation regarding the i7 series from intel..which model do you recomend on getting...a lower one if i'm going to o/c the entire system or a mid grade processor?

Thanks once again for your help, I truly appreciaite it! :sol: 


jaquith said:
GTX 560 - it depends upon the Game AND comparing SLI (2) vs CF (2), about the only game I can think of is Just Cause 2 where the AMD is the clear winner. Next, comparing Apples with Apples the GTX 560 is cheaper. Next is the resolution and the the AA, I don't look at anything less that 1920 X 1080 8xAA. Lastly and most importantly, OC the GTX 560 is easily OC and runs cooler and then for all but a few games will beat the AMD and still run cooler.

Also, the only HD 6850 that beat the GTX 560 are the 2GB that are ~+50/card more +$100! Budget??!! You can spend $100 total more for the GTX 570 and have zero doubt which is better.

In gaming, I never go the ATI route and always go the nVidia route because of the overall scaling advantages, granted some of the newer AMD GPUs do well.

Nice article single GPU -> http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...

RAM:
Comparison Module #1: Mushkin Redline 996805 6-8-6-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #2: G.Skill Pi Series 7-8-7-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #3: Mushkin 998687 8-9-8-24 1866MHz
Comparison Module #4: Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz
Comparison Module #5: Kingston HyperX T1 9-9-9-27 1600MHz
Comparison Module #6: Mushkin Blackline 998677B 7-7-7-20 1333MHz
Comparison Module #7: Patriot Viper II Sector 7 9-9-9-27 1800MHz
Gaming OC 1800 MHz:
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/DDR3__Bench_RES.jpg
Stock:
http://i1013.photobucket.com/albums/af254/Jaquith/DDR3_Bench_StockPCMV.jpg

a c 715 V Motherboard
February 4, 2011 2:22:09 AM

I have 10 sets of the Corsair Dominator for my office, and I'm very happy with them! :) 

The i7 950 is the best for the money, I really wish the i7 980X would go down to ~$400. *** If you live close to a Micro Center they sell the i7 950 for $200!!! *** http://www.microcenter.com/single_product_results.phtml...
February 4, 2011 2:43:34 AM

lol $999 for a processor...must be great, just not affordable for me :) 

I do live close to one...too bad its sold out online, I'll call em up tomorrow for a price quote not bad! Well, thank you very much for all the info and advice you have provided me.

If you/anyone else has any advice for me, I'm definitely open to discussion. Thanks again =)
a c 715 V Motherboard
February 4, 2011 2:52:44 AM

Huh?? I was saying, "I really wish the i7 980X would go down to ~$400." Since the SB came out, I am hoping ALL the i7 9XX CPU go way down in price.

I was suggesting to YOU the i7 950, and in order to get that CPU for $199 you need to pick it up in person only to get it for that price. ;) 
a c 715 V Motherboard
February 4, 2011 1:27:33 PM

I didn't comment on the CPU Fan or Case because they're fine - good choices.

Cases are a 'personal' decision, I did look at it and I like all the air flow, CPU access, storage options, rubber grommets, top access, etc.

The H70 is very nice, it provides good cooling, clean looking/non-obstructive install, low noise, and is in general much preferred over the 'lawnmower' looking CPU Fans.

footnote: don't forget to use the CPU_FAN_HEADER and set the CPU_FAN to run at 100% in the BIOS.
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