I spent a day researching parts for a new machine I felt it was time to build. I play poker online and use Holdem Manager software which uses a lot of data i/o in communicating with the database (PostGreSQL) in real-time while displaying Heads Up Display statistics. Additionally, the poker software itself seems to be pokey about tables being moved, resides, or minimized/restored. My goal is to get a new system set up that completely rocks in terms of processing power, memory, and data i/o.
However, I didn't want to spend too much. Initially I wanted to limit myself to $800, but I ended up spending $1,050 (buying locally). Here's my summary, with questions below:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: just bought
BUDGET RANGE: 800-1000
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: playing 12+ tables of online poker with statistics software running alongside (all in virtual machine running under VMWare), while keeping multiple browsers and iTunes open in main OS
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, tigerdirect.com
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA
PARTS PREFERENCES: no preference
OVERCLOCKING: Probably (seems worth it to do if only because my mobo is supposed to facilitate it very well)
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe down the road (if I suddenly get deep into PC game playing, right now I am not, other than the poker software)
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 and second monitor at 1920x1200
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: see comments below
PARTS
Here are the parts I bought (I will keep questions below them all):
Case ($100) - Antec 900
This is one reason my build got more expensive, but I realized it was pointless to get a cheap case with a cheap PSU, even if I intended to use the onboard graphics indefinitely.
PSU ($85) - Antec 550W New (550W continuous power)
I didn't want to spend $100+ on a 700W or more PSU, and the shop tech said this would be plenty for any dual video card setup I might want to add down the road, unless I went really high end, and in that case of spending $600+ on video cards, spending for a new PSU would not be such a problem
Motherboard ($125) - ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Seemed like a great choice because not only is it a high-end board with good overclocking capabilities, but it also provided economy in its leading integrated graphics. Furthermore I have enjoyed working with ASUS motherboards in the past, as the documentation is always great and the quality feels right.
CPU ($180) - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Was thinking about trying Athlon II X2 to save money and upgrade later, but decided to go for the top of the line now.
However, the one I got is 125W, not 140W - is this a problem... see questions below.
Hard Drives ($150) -
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
Initially I wanted to do onboard RAID 0+1, but in the interest of saving costs, I decided to do two single drives. The slightly cheaper 500 GB is for my system and applications (haven't decided whether I will further partition it), and the second will be dedicated to data storage, whether that's media or, more importantly, my database and hand history file archives. I figure I can transition to a RAID later, even if it requires using Ghost or something similar to clone these.
DVD Drive ($26) - SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support
I always thought it would be cool to have the LightScribe support, even if I never use it, so I spent a few extra dollars on this one.
Memory ($170) -
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664BA1339
Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model CT25664BA1339
Unfortunately the shop didn't have anything with lower latency or built-in heat spreaders. I am concerned I didn't get a lower CAS latency rated memory for the same money. See questions below to see if I should return (or add heat spreader and overclock).
Operating System ($100) - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Am really looking forward to my first use of this new, 64-bit OS! Also am expecting virtual machine performance to be even closer to native performance running under Win 7 vs. my current WinXP Pro SP3.
Total Cost (local cost, with tax, NewEgg.com total is $100 less): ~$1,040
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Questions
Now beyond any general comments or recommendations, here are the specific questions I have:
1) The PSU - should I have gone for more wattage, especially if I plan on adding more drives? I think for my current system, I can add a decent "real" GPU and two more drives and still be covered, according to the PSU calculator. Anything else I should have considered, any other models? I don't know much about PSUs.
2) The memory - with a CAS latency of 9, should I return these and get the G Skill or other memory with latency of 7? Are these okay to overclock? Should I get heat spreaders for them, regardless of whether I do overclock or not? Also I assume no performance lost by having only three of four DIMM slots filled.
3) The motherboard -
a - I think this was a good choice, but should I have considered the higher end chipset, the 890GX? To me it seemed the only real difference was support for USB 3 and 6 GB/s SATA, or am I wrong?
b - I am not clear, but I assume my board will support the 6-core and any future AM3 socket CPUs, correct?
c - If I do go dual GPU at some point, this board will only do X8, not dual X16. In another thread a response said this will not really affect the throughput/total performance unless I am going really extreme on the GPUs. Any more feedback on this?
4) The CPU -
a - I didn't realize the Phenom II X4 965 also comes in a 140W version for a few dollars more. What real difference will this make?
b - I intend on using the stock cooler (but applied with Arctic Silver). Is there a real need to invest in another cooler?
5) Hard drives - I remember reading that the fastest ones are the ones with the 500 GB platters. Does that mean I should get the 1 TB and 2 TB ones instead? What difference is there? From the charts on this site it seemed quite a bit (enough to put the 2TB Black at the start of the list but the smaller Blacks behind all the other brands' models).
6) Any suggestions on an overclocking guide specific to this mobo/CPU combination? I have yet to search, but if there are any really useful links, I would appreciate them.
Now I am going to start building!
However, I didn't want to spend too much. Initially I wanted to limit myself to $800, but I ended up spending $1,050 (buying locally). Here's my summary, with questions below:
APPROXIMATE PURCHASE DATE: just bought
BUDGET RANGE: 800-1000
SYSTEM USAGE FROM MOST TO LEAST IMPORTANT: playing 12+ tables of online poker with statistics software running alongside (all in virtual machine running under VMWare), while keeping multiple browsers and iTunes open in main OS
PARTS NOT REQUIRED: keyboard, mouse, monitor, speakers
PREFERRED WEBSITE(S) FOR PARTS: newegg.com, tigerdirect.com
COUNTRY OF ORIGIN: USA
PARTS PREFERENCES: no preference
OVERCLOCKING: Probably (seems worth it to do if only because my mobo is supposed to facilitate it very well)
SLI OR CROSSFIRE: Maybe down the road (if I suddenly get deep into PC game playing, right now I am not, other than the poker software)
MONITOR RESOLUTION: 1920x1080 and second monitor at 1920x1200
ADDITIONAL COMMENTS: see comments below
PARTS
Here are the parts I bought (I will keep questions below them all):
Case ($100) - Antec 900
This is one reason my build got more expensive, but I realized it was pointless to get a cheap case with a cheap PSU, even if I intended to use the onboard graphics indefinitely.
PSU ($85) - Antec 550W New (550W continuous power)
I didn't want to spend $100+ on a 700W or more PSU, and the shop tech said this would be plenty for any dual video card setup I might want to add down the road, unless I went really high end, and in that case of spending $600+ on video cards, spending for a new PSU would not be such a problem
Motherboard ($125) - ASUS M4A78T-E AM3 AMD 790GX HDMI ATX AMD Motherboard
Seemed like a great choice because not only is it a high-end board with good overclocking capabilities, but it also provided economy in its leading integrated graphics. Furthermore I have enjoyed working with ASUS motherboards in the past, as the documentation is always great and the quality feels right.
CPU ($180) - AMD Phenom II X4 965 Black Edition Deneb 3.4GHz 4 x 512KB L2 Cache 6MB L3 Cache Socket AM3 125W Quad-Core Processor
Was thinking about trying Athlon II X2 to save money and upgrade later, but decided to go for the top of the line now.
However, the one I got is 125W, not 140W - is this a problem... see questions below.
Hard Drives ($150) -
Western Digital Caviar Black WD7501AALS 750GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
Western Digital Caviar Black WD5001AALS 500GB 7200 RPM 32MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5"
Initially I wanted to do onboard RAID 0+1, but in the interest of saving costs, I decided to do two single drives. The slightly cheaper 500 GB is for my system and applications (haven't decided whether I will further partition it), and the second will be dedicated to data storage, whether that's media or, more importantly, my database and hand history file archives. I figure I can transition to a RAID later, even if it requires using Ghost or something similar to clone these.
DVD Drive ($26) - SAMSUNG Black 22X DVD+R 8X DVD+RW 16X DVD+R DL 22X DVD-R 6X DVD-RW 12X DVD-RAM 16X DVD-ROM 48X CD-R 32X CD-RW 48X CD-ROM 2MB Cache SATA DVD Burner LightScribe Support
I always thought it would be cool to have the LightScribe support, even if I never use it, so I spent a few extra dollars on this one.
Memory ($170) -
Crucial 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Dual Channel Kit Desktop Memory Model CT2KIT25664BA1339
Crucial 2GB 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1333 (PC3 10600) Desktop Memory Model CT25664BA1339
Unfortunately the shop didn't have anything with lower latency or built-in heat spreaders. I am concerned I didn't get a lower CAS latency rated memory for the same money. See questions below to see if I should return (or add heat spreader and overclock).
Operating System ($100) - Microsoft Windows 7 Home Premium 32-bit 1-Pack for System Builders - OEM
Am really looking forward to my first use of this new, 64-bit OS! Also am expecting virtual machine performance to be even closer to native performance running under Win 7 vs. my current WinXP Pro SP3.
Total Cost (local cost, with tax, NewEgg.com total is $100 less): ~$1,040
--------------------------------------------
Questions
Now beyond any general comments or recommendations, here are the specific questions I have:
1) The PSU - should I have gone for more wattage, especially if I plan on adding more drives? I think for my current system, I can add a decent "real" GPU and two more drives and still be covered, according to the PSU calculator. Anything else I should have considered, any other models? I don't know much about PSUs.
2) The memory - with a CAS latency of 9, should I return these and get the G Skill or other memory with latency of 7? Are these okay to overclock? Should I get heat spreaders for them, regardless of whether I do overclock or not? Also I assume no performance lost by having only three of four DIMM slots filled.
3) The motherboard -
a - I think this was a good choice, but should I have considered the higher end chipset, the 890GX? To me it seemed the only real difference was support for USB 3 and 6 GB/s SATA, or am I wrong?
b - I am not clear, but I assume my board will support the 6-core and any future AM3 socket CPUs, correct?
c - If I do go dual GPU at some point, this board will only do X8, not dual X16. In another thread a response said this will not really affect the throughput/total performance unless I am going really extreme on the GPUs. Any more feedback on this?
4) The CPU -
a - I didn't realize the Phenom II X4 965 also comes in a 140W version for a few dollars more. What real difference will this make?
b - I intend on using the stock cooler (but applied with Arctic Silver). Is there a real need to invest in another cooler?
5) Hard drives - I remember reading that the fastest ones are the ones with the 500 GB platters. Does that mean I should get the 1 TB and 2 TB ones instead? What difference is there? From the charts on this site it seemed quite a bit (enough to put the 2TB Black at the start of the list but the smaller Blacks behind all the other brands' models).
6) Any suggestions on an overclocking guide specific to this mobo/CPU combination? I have yet to search, but if there are any really useful links, I would appreciate them.
Now I am going to start building!