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July 24, 2010 3:50:41 PM

Ok guys, I've never been one to put any money into a case. I've always gotten the cheapest case I could find and put my money into the other components. However as my current case is falling apart, I'm in the market for a new one and I want to get something nice.

I want something with good cable management options and filters to help keep the inside clean. I don't want anything flashy. The lian-li cases seem to appeal to me however i've never seen one in person.

Two cases I'm considering:

(1) LIAN LI Lancool PC-K7B Black Aluminum/ SECC ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

(2) LIAN LI PC-7FN Black Aluminum ATX Mid Tower Computer Case

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I like both of these cases, I like the fact that the pc-7fn has a bottom mounted psu, it just seems like a much better layout to me. However the fact that the pc-7fn is all aluminum scares me, because I think the aluminum might be weaker, I know that aluminum is considered better, but why? because its lighter? Well, I don't move my case that much and when I do, I dont't think omg its too heavy! I know also that the aluminum conducts heat better, I don't usally have problems with heat though. I have a prety low heat system and I don't overclock much. However it seems the overall quality of the pc-7fn is better and I might be willing to pay for that, but im not sure.
The pc-k7b has everthing I would want exept the bottom mounted psu, and its $30 cheaper after shipping.
Is the Pc-7fn worth the extra money? I know this is largely subjective so I'm just asking for opinions, there are probably no wrong answers here.
Thanks dudes!!

Other specs:

Phenom II 945 quad core 3.0 ghz
am2+ mobo
4gb ddr2 gskill ram
Vapor x hd5770
samsung spinpoint f3 500gb


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a b ) Power supply
July 24, 2010 5:02:40 PM

Stick with the Lian Lis, you've picked quality, no reason to go cheap now. Honestly, you won't fully appreciate that case until you have it in front of you, then you will understand. Since you want quality and your not worried about extreme cooling, you've picked the right cases:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

I recommend that one, its a really beautiful case. This sight's pictures does it more justice:
http://www.performance-pcs.com/catalog/index.php?main_p...

Once again, you won't truly understand the quality look and feel of a Lian Li case without having it in front of you.

The benefits of aluminum are its heat tranfer, lightness of weight, and looks. Also note that this Lian Li case, like most of them, is handmade out of airplane grade aluminum, so don't worry about it breaking it will be incredibly sturdy.
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July 26, 2010 1:19:20 PM

Just depends what you want out of your case I think. I agree with the other posts for the most part. An antec case might work just fine for you or the lian li could be exactly what you want. It really comes down to what you want from your case. If you are looking for function mostly, then you probably are better off with the antec. If you are looking for a little more style, then lian li. I have a part plastic part steel case that is heavier than a mother. It's from my first build probably eight years ago. Works fine still, only that and my keyboard weren't replaced on my last build when the gtx 280 came out. I am going to be purchasing the silver x900 from lian li in the next few weeks though. I want something with all of the tool less features and the amazing beauty of the lian li's and I do want it a little lighter because I lan probably six times a year, and I want something that will make my friends say wow. The antec 300 is not going to make my friends say wow and I'm not going to buy an antec 300 from Walmart with plans to use it for the next eight to ten years. The lian li gets the wow and I'd certainly plan to use it for the next build or two after this. Function priority, get something like the antec 300. Want a little something special, pick out an all aluminumm lian li.
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July 26, 2010 1:25:48 PM

NZXT Hades.

good things
1. Great airflow
2. Dust Filters
3. The front door is made from mesh
4. Bottom mounted PSU
5. Shows 3 temps on a display on the front panel
6. Wire management behind the motherboard tray
7. Any graphics card will fit into Hades

bad things

1. Can`t install a big aftermarket cooler for the CPU
2. The front doors only opens 90 degrees and only to the right side


http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
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a b ) Power supply
July 26, 2010 1:39:08 PM

LIAN LI K60B is nice
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a b ) Power supply
July 26, 2010 5:44:15 PM

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Oh yes, your airplane grade aluminum case is stronger than my steel Antec 300....NOT.

How could you worry about breaking your case??? Are you planning on dropping it off a 3 story building? In that case you have more to worry about like HDD's.

I got news for you AMW, steel is stronger than aluminumj, aircraft grade or not.


I got news for you, I never F&^king said otherwise. Aluminum is a mailable metal, obviously. Lian Li uses very high quality aluminum which can survive the folds that give it strength along with the rigid structure. I was explaining to him why it is not fragile.

Never did I say that it is stronger than your Antec 300, though it may well be, but an all aluminum case can be like my TJ07. My TJ07 can take 200-300 pounds of pressure on top of it, your little thin steel Antec won't.

Learn to read.
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a b ) Power supply
July 26, 2010 9:38:30 PM

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Oh, temper temper, your immaturity is showing.....Well if your a fat little kid and you want to sit on your computer, then that's great, get yourself a aircraft grade Lian Li and pay twice as much for inferiority and a name. LOL


I'm not saying that it holds a purpose, I'm pointing out that your point on steels supposed superiority over aluminum in structural strength is a bad one as it has more to do with design and the build quality. I'll be the first to admit that being able to put that much weight on my case is completely useless, but it does prove my concept.

I would like to know how my Silverstone TJ07 is inferior to your Antec 300, but then again I really don't care. The Antec 300 is a great case for the money and I've used 3 of them in different builds, but it certainly isn't the best case out there and the Lian Li's improve on some of their short comings, though the 300 has its own advantages like anything else.
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July 27, 2010 3:54:53 AM

so AMW, why do you prefer the Lian-Li that you suggested over the two that I mentioned?
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July 27, 2010 2:57:51 PM

Except you recommended a barebones budget gaming case, which, while nice at the price point, has barely any options on it versus the premium cases he was looking at with better fans, better layouts, filters, cable management, annodized interiors, and made from aluminum which cools better.
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July 28, 2010 1:52:09 PM

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Actually the Antec 300 comes with 1 120mm fan and 1 140mm top fan, 3 speed fan controllers, great layout, bottom psu mount, cable management, washable filters, and cpu cutout.


There is also the Antec 300 Illusion, which comes with 4 fans: 1 120mm exhaust fan, a 140mm top exhaust fan and two blue LED 120mm intake fans and its $54.99 after rebate on newegg :) 
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July 28, 2010 2:35:14 PM

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Yeah if your the girly type and you like pretty lights, go for the illusion.


or if you just want the two extra fans for less cash ;) 
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a c 91 ) Power supply
July 28, 2010 2:46:42 PM

LianLi (not lancool) cases are pricey but they are worth it the moment you look at one personally.. No other case manufacturer comes close to them when you consider build quality and design (silverstone might be the closest competitor).. But again, their pricing might not suit to everyoner liking.. More so if you are in the look out for a gaming case and need it to be flashy.. The Antec 300 is an awesome case for its price with good cooling and pretty neat looks.. Steel vs aluminium is altogether a different debate so lets not go that direction.. It seems like OP can afford the PC 7FN so personally i'll recommend that..
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a b ) Power supply
July 28, 2010 5:56:16 PM

My god, can zipzoomflyhigh troll this thread anymore? Now fan LEDs are for girls... I'm so glad his opinions are facts. /s

The Antec 300 is a good case, so are the Lian Li's. The Lian Li's are what the OP wants.

OP, get the PC-7FN or the PC-7B plus II, they are both great cases.
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July 29, 2010 8:28:58 PM

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I offered a suggestion at a better price to the OP. If you don't like, too bad, leave kid.

I don't care, buy all the led's you want. That's what kids do. Why not try pink?


No, actually with the Illusion you are getting more for less than the regular Antec 300.

The Antec 300 @ wallmart you suggested is $59.82 and only has two fans.



The Antec 300 Illusion I suggested, has nothing to do with LEDs. It has to do with the fact that it is:
A) cheaper than the one you suggested. $54.99
B) comes with 4 fans.
C) even after the shipping fee on newegg, which brings it to ~$5 more than your suggestion you are getting two more 120MM fans which definitely help with cooling.



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July 30, 2010 2:09:51 PM

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.....and then you pay $10 shipping.....


See point C) above the second picture.

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C) even after the shipping fee on newegg, which brings it to ~$5 more than your suggestion you are getting two more 120MM fans which definitely help with cooling .


and those two extra 120mm fans that come with the Illusion definitely cost more than ~$5.
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July 31, 2010 7:38:38 PM

Well you need at least one intake and one exhaust. The the two fans which come with the other case are both exhaust fans. And no, the top exhaust fan is 140mm and can not be placed in the front as an intake.

In any case you'd have to be down right stubborn not to put $5 into having a better cooling solution. It would cost you at least that much to buy one additional intake fan and end up with 3 total fans for the same price or (more likely) more $$$ for that single fan.

...Do the math...

...~$5 more + 2 120mm intake fans... doesn't take a genius...
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a b ) Power supply
July 31, 2010 7:41:16 PM

You don't need an intake fan, the very negative cooling will pull cool air from the outside. This is why extremely negative cases tend to be quieter, you can forgo more fans, while a positive pressure system needs exhausts to keep warm air from being trapped.

I do agree though, get the extra fans for $5 and if the LEDs annoy you cut the damn wire like Antec 900 users have been doing for years.
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July 31, 2010 7:49:00 PM

I had only exhaust fans at first and my temps dropped only after adding an intake fan. Cool air coming in and warm air flowing out helped my situation.

If according to you:
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you don't need an intake fan, the very negative cooling will pull cool air from the outside.
why get the extra fans? Just wondering.

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a b ) Power supply
July 31, 2010 8:31:01 PM

Having intake fans is better than not, but it isn't a necessity. A well ventilated case with a decent amount of exhaust fans will cool great. What I meant was that the 300 with the lesser fans still cools well.
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August 2, 2010 6:50:01 PM

@ I totally agree with your suggestion, considering the price factor. I would go for other solutions, but that would take the case price to ~$200, so your suggestion seems to be the most reasonable - from one of the best builders in the industry.

"You do not need intake fans"...?????

IS this a hardware forum or are some of you ppl trying to apply for some comedy gig? That is probably the stupidest "joke" I've ever heard. RIDICULOUS...
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August 2, 2010 6:53:25 PM

Previous message was intended for faune, for some reason I can't edit it to read: @faune...
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a c 91 ) Power supply
August 3, 2010 11:40:00 AM

Intake fans on the front are more efficient as compared to intake fans on side or top..
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August 3, 2010 1:16:28 PM

Yeah if you want budget cooling I guess you don't need intake fans, but anyone with a half decent computer and any type of OC will be running a real case with intakes and exhaust. Not to mention how absolutely dirty and dusty a case like that would get.
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a b ) Power supply
August 4, 2010 4:46:10 AM

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Yeah ok, whatever you say. :lol:  You have no idea about passive intake. For every action, there's a reaction, so for a fan to exhaust 105cfm it has to pull in 105cfm, and you don't need fans to do this, it will pull it's own air. Same reason why laptops do not have intake fans, they have an intake port, and an exhaust fan. Same reason a psu doesn't need an intake fan, only an exhaust fan. :sarcastic: 


While this is correct, it fails to hit on a very important factor; airflow. As you say, if 105CFM is exhausted another 105CFM must be taking in to the case, otherwise the case would "implode" form the vacuum. That said, the amount of air is only half the battle, the rest is where that air goes. All fans are positioned in certain locations to maximize the heat dissipation over the hot computer components. Take the classic example, a front intake fan near the bottom of the case intakes air and a higher up fan in the rear exhaust the air. This makes the air travel over most of the motherboard area including the GPU and CPU.

Also, the amount of air exhausted will be far lower in a case with passive air intake, because there simply is less air to intake. This only works so much, a 10-20% decrease for example, but it is a factor.

So as I said before, intakes fans aren't necessary, but they are good for maximizing airflow.
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August 4, 2010 8:29:49 AM

i Would say the Coolermaster Haf 922. have you seen how thick the metal is, it uses? man, it's thick, almost as thick as my finger (a bit exaggerated).
from the front, it may look like a cows ball sack, but man does this thing cool. it has one huge 200 mm in take in the front, an optional 200mm OR 2X 120mm intake on the side, and another huge 200mm on top, for exhausting air, which again can be replaced by 2X 120mm (or a radiator!) and it has another 120mm Rear exhaust fan. and it's all strung out in Red LEDs. one otherthing, i like about it, is that there's no Door!
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August 4, 2010 8:36:41 AM

also, there's a button to turn off the LED's if you think there anoying! (no need to cut any wires now)

(that table it the picture is a table that can fit 4 people around, just to get how large this beast is!)
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August 4, 2010 1:38:59 PM

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Wrong. 105cfm in, 105cfm out. Then why don't laptops and psu's have intake fans??


You're either a troll or a complete idiot if you think that cooling without an intake fan works just as well as with one. Sure it might bring the same amount of air in, but it's not concentrated on the same area or moving in the same way. Without an intake fan you'll literally be sucking in air from every gap in the case, your temperatures will be higher, your case will be dirtier, but hey, it might be a little less noisy. And lots of PSU's do have intake fans... pretty much all the good ones. And laptop cooling is HORRIBLE, hence why they get hot as hell.
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a b ) Power supply
August 4, 2010 4:54:04 PM

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Wrong. 105cfm in, 105cfm out. Then why don't laptops and psu's have intake fans??


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You're either a troll or a complete idiot if you think that cooling without an intake fan works just as well as with one. Sure it might bring the same amount of air in, but it's not concentrated on the same area or moving in the same way. Without an intake fan you'll literally be sucking in air from every gap in the case, your temperatures will be higher, your case will be dirtier, but hey, it might be a little less noisy. And lots of PSU's do have intake fans... pretty much all the good ones. And laptop cooling is HORRIBLE, hence why they get hot as hell.
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