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May 21, 2010 6:10:22 PM

heres my plan on my new toy im looking for all your input and criticism (constructive of course). if im missing anything i need to make it work once its done please tell me i think i got everything i need.

cpu.....amd 6 core http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

gpu.....xfx ati 5970 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

MB..... gigabyte ga 890fxa ud5 or ud7 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168... or
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HD.....(2) wd caviar black http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

case..... antec 1200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

cpu cooler.....zalman 9900led http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram cooler..... corsair cmxaf2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

chipset cooler.....silenx http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

the ram and power supply are still unecided based off of my own ignorance in computer technology.

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May 21, 2010 6:21:52 PM

Fill out the form in the sticky. Link in my sig.

Spinpoint F3's are better than WD blacks.
HSF you're better of with a CM Hyper 212 Plus.
Any particular reason you want separate chipset and RAM coolers?
RAM G SKill Ripjaw DDR3 1600 7-8-7-24 kits are good.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

PSU depend son your budget, Corsair, Seasonic, Antec are all great. OCZ is acceptable.
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May 21, 2010 8:05:01 PM

WD doesnt have any good 500GB drives yet. Only this "FAEX" model 1TB and two of their 2TB models have fast, new platters.
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
Samsung F3 500GB/1TB and Seagate 7200.12 500GB/1TB are good drives and are cheaper than WD.

Why get two 500GB drives? Better to get a single drive and an SSD for boot/applications when you can afford it.

The zalman 9900 is outdated and outclassed by newer cpu coolers. Look at coolermaster hyper 212, xigmatek s1283 series, sunbeam core contact freezer, scythe mugen 2.

RAM coolers and chipset coolers are generally useless and a waste of money, Especially in a case with great airflow like the 1200.

What use do you have for the AMD 6 core? There is basically no gaming performance increase over the AMD Phenom II x4 955. If you do multi-threaded apps then it may make sense.

You want a quallity PSU like banthracis says. You will need 750W; more if you intend to get a second 5970 in the future.
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May 21, 2010 8:18:13 PM

well why chipset/ram coolers? if more parts are cooler then the overall temp in the case is cooler making everything else in the case cooler. and hell for there super cheapness y not.

y 2 500g instead of 1 1tb? been talking to a few friends online and they where saying if all your windows 7 crap is on one and all your games are on the other then it would run faster than trying to search threw a big one with everything on it. all the ppl i play wow with have 2 and with ff online coming out i need all i can get since wow, lotro, and more are already on it.

and the amd well keeping it new i want to be able to have this computer for like 2 years and still have it all new enough to go with what ever comes out in a few years instead of rebuilding in 2 years.



thats my thinking behind all of it now if im misslead or flat out wrong please tell me. i dont like thinking im good and set to go when in reality i wasted cash or F'ed up.



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May 21, 2010 8:25:53 PM

I don't know one way or the other about chipset/RAM coolers, but I suspect they're only necessary for HEAVY overclocks.

There may be a slight benefit to having 2 drives, but it's not likely to provide a very noticeable increase in loading speeds. Bigger drives are usually (slightly) faster than smaller drives with the same platter density.

The $300 AMD hex-core is actually slightly worse at gaming than the Phenom II X4 955/965s (which run $160-180). It has a lower clock speed. Get a quad-core now and if you really end up needing 6 cores for gaming in a year or two, pick one up then. The $200 hex-core is noticeably worse than the 955/965. I'd stay away from hex-cores for gaming.

If you could provide a budget and the resolution you game at, I suspect someone could come up with a build that would game better for you.
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May 21, 2010 8:28:24 PM

You're getting good advice already. I'll just back up the previous posters. You do not want the 500GB WD Black drive when you can get a faster Samsung F3 for $15 less.

SAMSUNG Spinpoint F3 HD502HJ 500GB 7200 RPM 16MB Cache SATA 3.0Gb/s 3.5" Internal Hard Drive $54.99

Like was mentioned before, the Zalman CNPS9900ALED is overpriced and out-performed by much cheaper options like the Hyper 212+.

COOLER MASTER Hyper 212 Plus Intel Core i5 & Intel Core i7 compatible RR-B10-212P-G1 120mm "heatpipe direct contact" Long life sleeve CPU Cooler $39.99

+1 to the G.Skill Ripjaws suggestion. Here's a link to them:

G.SKILL Ripjaws Series 4GB (2 x 2GB) 240-Pin DDR3 SDRAM DDR3 1600 (PC3 12800) Desktop Memory Model F3-12800CL7D-4GBRM $119.99

Here's a very nice PSU for a low price:

Antec TruePower New TP-750 Blue 750W 80 PLUS BRONZE Certified Active PFC Power Supply $104.99 (w/promo code tp1505, ends 5/3) - $20 MIR
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May 21, 2010 8:32:19 PM

Most games "peak out" on 3 core processors. GTA is one of few that really benefit from the 4th core and might beenfit from 6 cores. Read the CPU review here at Toms before you decide if the extra 2 cores are worth paying almost twice as much as a 955. Software wont change that much in 3 years. The majority of games are still DX9 even though DX10 has been out for 2years. Many that do "have DX10" are really running DX9 with a few of the DX10 frills added.

What makes you think those aftermarket chipset coolers are better than the ones Gigabyte puts on? Have you read any professional reviews showing how much benefit to the RAM temps you get from the RAM cooler? In a case with good ariflow, you will possibly get no benefit and likely get very little. Why not see if you really need those extraneous parts first, then buy them later if you decide they will help.
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May 21, 2010 9:25:47 PM

im trying to keep it under 2 grand which seams easier now if i get a x4 processor. im not particularly brand dependent so i was also looking at the intel i7 930 (i believe) which i saw ppl where comparing to the x6 amd any thoughts on that? i chose amd at first because i hear is better at one program running hard and intel was for a lot of multi tasking.

i actual didnt know the MB came with a chipset cooler because i hear of some ppl not having on which led me to believe they didnt have one.

from what iv read i think ill go for a bigger hd and save a few bucks instead of getting 2 smaller ones since there dosnt seam to gain to much from it.

as for the cpu cooler ill probably go for the coolermaster i was looking at the hyper 212 maby even the v8 for the reasons lol

now ppl are saying games now wont use some of the stuff out now but what about future games i cant wait for the new final fantasy which looks like its going to take a dam good computer to run on high with decent frame rates. and i played cryses on a computer at the store and that game was awesome but the guy said i couldn't play it unless i had like the best of everything. but it seamed like an awesome blow'em up game.
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May 21, 2010 9:40:02 PM

The 5970 is the only graphics card that can play Crysis at 1920x1080 at full settings. Its also the most expensive at $700. A 5770 will play Crysis at medium settings (which still looks very good IMO) for only $160. You might consider the $400 5870, which will still play Crysis at very good resolution and max out pretty much every other game out there.

Gigabytes "UD" (ultra durable) series all have decent passive heatsinks on the chipsets. I think most if not all of the P55 and X58 motherboards do.
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May 21, 2010 9:46:59 PM

does anyone have any advice on one of the 2 motherboards i have posted i will only be running 1 gpu since i dont see any reason what so ever to run 2 of the ones im getting is one of them build for 2 cards more than the other or what.

and is 4gigs of ram enough to do all of this it seams like all the off the shelf pcs are just using 6 and 8g to make you think its better so you buy it but sights like this say games dont use that its more for multitasking. what are your thoughts.
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May 21, 2010 9:55:28 PM

The UD7 is an absolute waste of money IMO. Out of those two boards I would pick the UD5 every time. The UD7 doesn't offer any features that justify the price IMO. Here's a comparison of the two boards:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|13-128-442^13-128-442-TS%2C13-128-441^13-128-441-TS

The UD7 doesn't make sense, especially if you're just using a single GPU. It has 6 PCI-E x16 slots, but two of them run at x4 speed. That's just silly IMO.
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May 21, 2010 9:59:08 PM

The X58A-UD3R seems to have all of the features of the UD5 for only $210. I cant see any reason to even get the UD5. The UD3R even got a buy rating from its review here.
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May 21, 2010 10:09:46 PM

The X58A-UD3R is a nice board, but the OP is building an AMD system. An Intel motherboard won't do him much good. :) 
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May 21, 2010 10:28:43 PM

shortstuff_mt said:
The X58A-UD3R is a nice board, but the OP is building an AMD system. An Intel motherboard won't do him much good. :) 

I swear I saw i7 930 when I scrolled up... :ouch: 

I did - the thread is too long with too many different points of discussion. :pt1cable: 
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May 21, 2010 10:53:16 PM

X4 lanes (in a PCIe X16 slot), not speed.

No particular recommendations on the motherboard (I haven't had a lot of luck - long term- with any manufacturer).
And, others here have made the points about the additional coolers.
I don't understand your choice of hard drives unless you're considering a RAID array (and that increases your chance of failure). Nice cache size, but low capacity.
Personally, after years of using WD drives (some failed, but then they always do - and they're not Hitachi), I've switched over to Seagate. For awhile there it seemed like they were the only ones who wanted to warranty their drives for a reasonable amount of time.
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May 22, 2010 4:09:28 AM

Another +1 for the cooler master 212+ It is very impressive for the price.

Slapped it on a non gaming build for my brother with a AMD Phenom II X6 1055T(AMD's turbo core is actually very decent) and the temps are GREAT and quiet. The STOCK amd fan is EXTREMELY LOUD after a hour at load(this was on a X4 655, that has a cooler master 212+ too now).

The 212+ is my new AMD stock fan for new systems i build. I may have even used it if I tried it before my Zalman CNPS10X Flex(was on sale tho :p )
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May 22, 2010 4:56:23 PM

i appreciate the help iv tweaked my build a bit part wise. changed my cooler to a newer one looked into the 1tb hd you linked saved a few bucks choosing that and its fast. my friend just got a ram cooler put in his antec 1200 hes going to tell me if its worth it or not. and i ditched the chip cooler.

im also thinking about getting the i7 920 or i7 930 they seam to beat the amd x6 in every aspect even with with high resolution and one of the toms benchmarks compared a 930 to a amd x6 with the 5970 gpu which im going to have and the 930 smoked it. stock and OC.

probably leaning to the 930 since it seams to be the most compared to amds top x4 and x6 and beats them all.

guess that means i gota pick a new motherboard lol o well.
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May 22, 2010 7:10:41 PM

the new and improved pc

case..... antec 1200 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU..... intel i7 930 bloomfield

GPU..... xfx 5970 black edition

motherboard..... gigabyte x58a ud3r http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

HDD..... spinpoint f3 1tb http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram..... g.skill 6gb (3x2g) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU cooler..... CM V8 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

ram cooler..... corsair cmxf2 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

i chose the slower 1333 ram cause that board only does 2200/1333/1066/800 and there where no 2200 in 3 stick packs
the v8 hsf over the hyper 212..... it looks AWESOME.
ram cooler..... like said before my friend is going to try it ill see what he says.

sli/crossfire possibly in future but with that bad boy probably not
over clocking in future possibly im still on the fence i got a lot to learn





what do ya think so far $1887.00 on newegg so its under my 2k budget.



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May 22, 2010 7:55:00 PM

Case / PSU - With that case, it'd be a crime not to put in the CP-850. Find another PSU that compete with it for $90

Antec 1200 w/ CP-850 $260
http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

http://www.jonnyguru.com/modules.php?name=NDReviews&op=...
http://www.silentpcreview.com/article971-page7.html

For comparison purposes , the list below contains performance ratings (10 scale) at jonnyguru.com / prices as per newegg on 02/21/2010 and ones w/ double asterisks (**) made it onto silentpcreview.com's Editor's Choice List meaning they excelled at both electronic and acoustic performance:

Antec SG-850 - 10.0 ($220) **
Antec CP-850 - 10.0 ($110) **
XFX 850W Black Edition 10.0 ($185)
Corsair HX850 850W - 10.0 ($180)

Antec TruePower Quattro (TPQ-850) - 9.5 ($150)
Corsair TX850 - 9.5 ($140)
Seasonic M12D 850W - 9.5 (NLA) **
NorthQ Giant Connector 850W - 9.5 (NFS)
Etasis ET850 - 9.5 (NLA)
Silverstone Zeus ST85ZF - 9.5 (NLA)

Enermax Revolution 85+ 850W - 9.0 ($250)

Thrmaltake Toughpower XT 850W - 8.5 ($216)
OCZ Z Series 850W - 8.5 ($200)

NorthQ Black Magic Flex 850W - 8.0 (NFS)
Coolmax CTG-850 - 8.0 (NFS)

SilverStone Decathlon DA850 - 7.5 ($230)
Enermax Galaxy DXX 850W EGX850EWL - 7.5 (NFS)

SilverStone Strider ST85F - 7.0

Silverstone Element ST85EF 850W - 6.0


NFS - Not For Sale / NLA = No Longer Available

GFX - Only reason I can't in good conscience recommend the 5970 is they are charging $100 over MSRP.

MoBo / CPU - Asus P6x58D-E w/ i7-930 combo $514 Better Board
http://www.newegg.com/Product/ComboDealDetails.aspx?Ite...


Hard Drives - Check out the performance charts and pick whatever 500 GB per platter drive performs best under your usage patterns. The 2 TB WD Black and XT from Seagate are good choice but at smaller capacities, you are limited to the Seagate 7200.12 or the Spinpoint F3. The 7200.12 excels in gaming, multimedia and pictures whereas the F3 wins at music and movie maker. See the comparisons here (copy past link in manually, link won't work in forum):
(http://www.tomshardware.com/charts/2009-3.5-desktop-har...[2371]=on&prod[2770]=on)

Look at the tests that reflect your usage and choose accordingly.

RAM Cooler - have you confirmed it won't interfere w/ your CPU cooler ? You won't need it anyway with the 1200. The RAM will be positioned right between the 120mm fan on your CPU Cooler and the 120 fan in the top HD cage giving you plenty of air flow.

RAM - You said you will be overclocking but will be limited in that respect with DDR3-1333. Would rather see you in DDR1600 so as to get that 4.2 GHz OC w/ the standard 8 memory multiplier. All selections below are low profile so won't likely give you much w/ CPU heat sink interference.

CAS 6 $239 (6-8-6-24) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CAS 7 $199 (7-8-7-20) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...
CAS 7 $199 (7-8-7-20) http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU Cooler - Prolimatech Megahalams - The V8 gets an honorable mention

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...

but it can't compete with the best are as much as 5C cooler.:

http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.php?option=com_conten...
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May 22, 2010 8:44:32 PM

for power sources i didnt post one cause i was looking at the antec cp-850 and the tpq-850.

i haven't decided because the cp is cpx and the tqp is atx 12v/eps 12v. i know my mother board is atx so thats what was making me lean to the tqp but i dont even know if that matters or not.

and to get 1600 ram that means i got to pick another motherboard unless someone thekes 2200 ram in 3 packs.

as for the im cooler glad to see the v8 is good, the ProlimaTech Megahalems was on my wish list along with the v8 (2 fans to go with it) but didnt know how much better than the v8 it would be if any they both look really cool for there own reasons.




im lovin how informative this sight is some others just tell you to buy name brand and the most expensive and be happy.

.....well after some talking in the motherboard setion i now under stand ram speed and how you can put faster ram in a board that dosnt have that spacific speed listed. so i have chosen two

g.skill..... $189 1600 7-8-7-24-2n http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

and

corsair..... $199 1600 7-8-7-20 http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

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May 22, 2010 11:12:50 PM

ok last 2 questions is the antec tpq850 just a better version of the cp 850??

and now that i have picked all the right parts im wondering how long this stuff is going to be new / top quality. (coolers, gpu, cpu, the main stuff) because i might not be able to buy it till august or September.

and i know buying a computer 1 part at a time over any length of time is stupid so should i just come back after august and post my list again to see if anything has gotten replaced with better stuff or will it be a wile before that. kinda like cars does the 2011 stuff come out oct 2010 or does it actually come out in 2011.
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May 23, 2010 6:36:47 PM

dont know bout the power supply but as for as how its going to be new/good. i think that system should be just as good as anything that comes out in late 2012 i mean ya something might be slightly better but i dont see the need to ugrade any time soon with what you picked out.

thats just my opinion though.
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