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February 10, 2011 6:12:14 PM

What the real difference between:

Transcend aXeRam 6GB DDR3 gaming ram - 122Eur

6Gb(3x2Gb) DDR3 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC1600 Memory – 76Eur

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February 10, 2011 6:13:40 PM

PS I the one bought will be fitted into Sabertooth x54
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February 10, 2011 6:59:52 PM

That not enough to go on, some Transcend like the TX2000KLU-6GK are 2000 MHz low CAS memory, the XMS3 you listed is 1600 MHz.

Balance of components:
So unless you are an extreme gamer with severely high OC then stay with 1600 MHz. Over all the differences can 1~3% or 2~8 FPS. For almost double the cost your money is better suited for an 'extreme' MOBO like the ASUS Rampage III Extreme, i7 980X, 2/3-WAY SLI, C300 SSD, etc....then high-end RAM.

For the, assuming, ASUS Sabertooth X58 use the following Tested RAM -
http://www2.corsair.com/configurator/product_results.as...
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February 10, 2011 7:27:44 PM

Thanks again jaquith!
I will stick with the corsair ram then.
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February 10, 2011 8:06:44 PM

There is virtually no difference in real application performance. There night be in synthetic benchmarks, but that is irrelevant.
February 11, 2011 6:37:18 PM

Then I will go for the Corsair as I looking to reduce my total price as possible.
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February 11, 2011 9:17:10 PM

Cool Yoda now?!
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February 11, 2011 9:55:18 PM

All sick! Wife brought back a bug from her Hawaii cruise. Daughter diagnosed bronchial pneumonia just a few hours ago. :( 

And I'm dizzy... :pt1cable: 

How about you?
February 12, 2011 11:46:17 AM

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There is memory speed, and then there are memory timings.

Speed is the frequency that the memory operates at (in MHz... and remember that when you are looking in CPU-z that ram is DDR [Double Data Rate], so the frequency that it says will always be half of what it is actually running at). It is fairly straightforward and easy to understand.
And remember that the ram speed is tied to the reference clock, and in this way you can easily OC your ram beyond the stock speed.
Speed is mostly important for higher bandwidth, as it just means that the ram can move more information.

Timings are different, and should not be confused with the speed. Timings do not effect the speed (in MHz) of the ram at all.
Instead, they change how “efficient” the ram is. In other words, the timings affect the “turnaround” of the information.
The timings are generally listed something like this: 5-5-5-18. While I wont go into all of the details about what those each mean here,
I can give you a basic idea of what the timings mean. Timings change how long the ram will wait to do something.
So having ram with looser (numerically higher) timings, means that the ram will “wait” longer in between processes.
Using the example of 5-5-5-18 ram, information is copied, it then waits for 5 clock cycles before it moves onto the next step.
Ram with 7-7-7-23 timings running at the same speed (in MHz) will move the information there just as quickly,
but then will need to wait for 7 cycles between doing things, rather than 5.
This is why “performance” ram is in fact faster.


Thanks for all the info and help. so what are the timings of the 6Gb(3x2Gb) DDR3 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC1600 Memory
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February 12, 2011 2:29:19 PM

If they are Model TR3X6G1600C9: 1600 MHz 9-9-9-24-2N @ 1.65V.
February 12, 2011 2:50:06 PM

lools kinda sucky...
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February 12, 2011 3:00:21 PM

I wish it was ALL about CAS or ALL about Speed, but it's not. It's ALL about the RAM's IC. My best guess if you're into WEI, I'm not, it will yield you a 7.7~7.8. The best for the money is the Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz and yield a 7.9, and those sticks will OC and run 1800 MHz.

TR3X6G1600C8D ww.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16820145224
February 12, 2011 3:18:48 PM

they cost around 145e. twice of what i was getting...
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February 12, 2011 4:00:40 PM

Then "sucky..." it is.

The differences are VERY small. The slowest thing on your rig is your SSD/HDD and GPU -- the RAM is not going to be the bottleneck.
February 13, 2011 9:45:25 AM

so are they worth the money?
what shall I get? the dominator are out of stock here ;/
February 13, 2011 11:51:21 AM

like what? cause i dont want to speed too much. I ve got 4gb on my laptop and its ok i guess even when I play. so will it make much difference?
February 13, 2011 1:45:22 PM

NZXT Phantom
Asus Sabertooth TUF X58
Intel Corei7 950 3.06GHZ
ATI HD6970
6Gb(3x2Gb) DDR3 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC1600 Memory 
WD 1TB SATA3 FAEX Black edition 64MB
Corsair -850W TXEU
BENQ 24" FULL HD LED
Razer Lycos Uk
February 13, 2011 10:01:53 PM

you mean like overclocked? cause I have never done overclocking before!
also how much did the blu ray drive costs? I was going for one but Its still uless to me as the only blu ray film i watch are the ones i download.
i will check again for the ram but the domintor war out of stock last time i checked. maybe i'll find something better.
the x58 is not compatible with 2000Mhz yeah?
Thanks for all your help btw :) )
February 13, 2011 10:14:36 PM

since your the one whos really helping me lots i wanted to ask you cause im not sure which one shall I get (monitor)
I have the following options,
LG 22" E2240T-PN –at 185Eur

Samsung 22" BX2235 at 185Eur

AOC 23" E2343FS Touchkey – 185Eur

AOC 22" E2421VWA – 170EUr

Benq 24" G2420HDBL - €199.00

Benq 22" G2222HDL - €159.00

BENQ 24" V2400 - €239.00

Benq 22" V2220H - €199.00

AOC are just options just to list them but I don't think he are really any good quality.what do you think?
February 14, 2011 10:44:06 AM

Please, I would appreciate. Some said Benq are excellent quality and really reliable and someone told me they gave problems.
February 14, 2011 1:45:51 PM

if i get the 24" would i loose many fps in future gaming?
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February 14, 2011 2:52:53 PM

majju2 said:
...the x58 is not compatible with 2000Mhz yeah?

Correct...6 x DIMM, Max. 24 GB, DDR3 1866/1800/1600/1333/1066...primarily due to 8+2+2 phase vs P6X58D-E 16+2 phase.

Getting the i7 9XX to run 2000 MHz RAM typically requires a BCLK >= 160 MHz which is a base clock overclocking, and then it adds very little benefit and increases instability.

Therefore, the best overall choice is 1600 MHz low-tight CAS similar to the Dominator that I listed above. The gains are are marginal. The best improvements are from CPU, GPU, and SSD - the RAM and everything needs to be proportional. Example -the goal is Gaming and you have a choice between say a GTS 460 and GTX 560 Ti <or> 1333 MHz RAM CAS 9 and 1600 MHz Dominator --- PLEASE choose the GTX 560 Ti with 1333 MHz RAM CAS 9.
February 15, 2011 1:57:27 PM

I will go crossfire for sure in future when the price of the HD 6970 goes down. Does it have to be the exact same model (I will buy the XFX but I like the HIS better its just not in stores :/ )

Also would this be better than the was I'm buying http://www.simarksupplies.com/ShowProduct.aspx/Product/... (6gb version is out of stock) considering that the mobo has 6 ram slots ?
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February 16, 2011 2:47:46 PM

Depends, are you going to OC and if so how much?

Q - What CPU, MOBO, GPU and RAM did you finally decide upon?

I noted the following:
NZXT Phantom
Asus Sabertooth X58
Intel Corei7 950 3.06GHZ
ATI HD6970
6Gb(3x2Gb) DDR3 Corsair XMS3 DDR3 PC1600 Memory
WD 1TB SATA3 FAEX Black edition 64MB
Corsair -850W TXEU
BENQ 24" FULL HD LED
Razer Lycos Uk

Comments:
1. Yep, get an SSD. I recommend 120+GB like the Crucial C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1
options - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-148-348^20-148-348-TS,20-227-551^20-227-551-TS,20-233-125^20-233-125-TS,20-227-578^20-227-578-TS
2. GTX 570 vs HD 6950 - it's not even a thought get the GTX 570: better performance, runs cooler, more efficient, better at scaling, better drivers... Tests http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...
3. 3X2GB Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz
4. Don't waste SATA3 ports on mechanical HDD, the fastest HDD is 120~140+ MB/s regardless of the 'interface' and WD lack TLER in parity RAID.
February 16, 2011 3:07:40 PM

Not overcloking at least in the near future.
Thanks, I'll check the prices of the 570.
Getting Dominator as I found a shop
what should i waste the SATA3 ports on then?
February 16, 2011 3:21:43 PM

Ok i ve never used ssd before but it looks pretty fast. I will probably get one and a normal hdd. How do I install windows on the ssd?
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February 16, 2011 3:51:54 PM

majju2 said:
Not overcloking at least in the near future.

what should i waste the SATA3 ports on then?

CPU Fan: 1. Stock, 2. CoolerMaster Hyper 212+, or Corsair H50 {the H50 is super easy to clean}; cleaning 'cooling fins' is a PITA and time consuming.

HDD + SATA3 ports: if your MOBO only has 2 SATA3 ports then it's a total waste placing SATA3 HDD {120~140+ MB/s} on SATA3 Ports {600 MB/s}; whereas the SATA2 Ports run at {300 MB/s}. In addition, the Marvell is a pain to configure properly for example Windows XP SP3. Tests have shown, I placed them here plenty of times that to only advantage is 'burst speed' with the SATA3 HDD + SATA3 Port, and otherwise the Read/Writes are practically identical; some file sizes better on SATA2 and some better on SATA3 - 2~8 MB/s differences at best either way.

Therefore, keep the SATA3 open for an SSD.
February 16, 2011 6:22:08 PM

Ok, removed h50 added coolermaster hyper 212+, will get it from overclockers or amazon.
Getting ssd.
apart from hdd what goes with the the sata3 ports?
February 16, 2011 6:44:57 PM

http://www.zalman.co.kr/ENG/product/Product_Read.asp?id... is it any better than the hyper 212+?
I just found that my nearest store has got the hyper 212 for 30 euros or the above link for 50.
I will go buy it asap tomorrow morning :) 

apart from hdd what goes with the the sata3 ports?
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February 16, 2011 6:54:49 PM

majju2 said:
Ok, removed h50 added coolermaster hyper 212+, will get it from overclockers or amazon.
Getting ssd.
apart from hdd what goes with the the sata3 ports?

No, backwards. The H50 'radiator' is a piece of cake to clean. Regular 'air cooling fins' are a PITA to clean.

Either works fine, the CM Hyper 212+ is very good and unbeatable for the price. :D 
February 16, 2011 7:32:35 PM

still did not answer my question about the sata3 ports!
As I'm new to bulding a pc, what cleaning stuff shall I buy for the future?
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February 16, 2011 9:40:54 PM

majju2 said:
still did not answer my question about the sata3 ports!

I thought I did answer your questions about the SATA3 ports. Here's complete clarity:

1. SATA3 SDD + SATA2<or>3 HDD:
BIOS SATA1-4 AHCI, or AHCI/RAID is the plan is to RAID 1, mirror, the HDD, Configure via Ctrl + I.**
SATA2 1-2 {blank}
SATA2 3-4 HDD

BIOS IDE {you never want your DVD on AHCI}
SATA 5 ODD {DVD}

BIOS Marvell -> AHCI, if RAID 0 or 1 then configure Ctrl + M
SATA3 1-2 SSD

2. SATA2 SDD + SATA2<or>3 HDD:
BIOS SATA1-4 AHCI, or AHCI/RAID is the plan is to RAID then configure either via Ctrl + I.**
SATA2 1-2 SSD
SATA2 3-4 HDD

BIOS IDE {you never want your DVD on AHCI}
SATA 5 ODD {DVD}

BIOS Marvell -> Disable
SATA3 1-2 {blank}

3. SATA2<or>3 HDD:
BIOS SATA1-4 AHCI, or AHCI/RAID is the plan is to RAID then configure either via Ctrl + I. **
SATA2 1-4 HDD

BIOS IDE {you never want your DVD on AHCI}
SATA 5 ODD {DVD}

BIOS Marvell -> Disable
SATA3 1-2 {blank}

**generally, I don't recommend having 2 RAID configurations per MOBO controller. RAID 0/1/10 are non parity and don't task the system too much. RAID 5 or any parity RAID should be done with a Dedicated RAID Controller Card. Also, the SATA ports closest to the MOBO are the 'lower' numbered ports.

Comments:
1. Yep, get an SSD. I recommend 120+GB like the Crucial C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1
options - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-148-348^20-148-348-TS,20-227-551^20-227-551-TS,20-233-125^20-233-125-TS,20-227-578^20-227-578-TS
2. GTX 570 vs HD 6950 - it's not even a thought get the GTX 570: better performance, runs cooler, more efficient, better at scaling, better drivers... Tests http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...
3. 3X2GB Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz
4. Don't waste SATA3 ports on mechanical HDD, the fastest HDD is 120~140+ MB/s regardless of the 'interface' and WD lack TLER in parity RAID. said:
Comments:
1. Yep, get an SSD. I recommend 120+GB like the Crucial C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1
options - http://www.newegg.com/Product/Productcompare.aspx?Submi...|20-148-348^20-148-348-TS,20-227-551^20-227-551-TS,20-233-125^20-233-125-TS,20-227-578^20-227-578-TS
2. GTX 570 vs HD 6950 - it's not even a thought get the GTX 570: better performance, runs cooler, more efficient, better at scaling, better drivers... Tests http://www.neoseeker.com/Articles/Hardware/Reviews/NVID...
3. 3X2GB Corsair Dominator TR3X6G1600C8D 8-8-8-24 1600MHz
4. Don't waste SATA3 ports on mechanical HDD, the fastest HDD is 120~140+ MB/s regardless of the 'interface' and WD lack TLER in parity RAID.

The Crucial C300 CTFDDAC128MAG-1G1 is a good example of a SATA3 SSD and should be installed on the Marvell SATA3 port. However, in RAID 0 on 'some' MOBOs often even SATA3 combined are slower that the combined SATA2 ports.

majju2 said:
...what cleaning stuff shall I buy for the future?

I just use compressed air, so for most folks get 3-6 cans of compressed air and vacuum hose attachments: non static 'hair' bristles and the 'wedge' connection for the corners and cracks. I generally, don't touch the components directly, and don't let the fans spin from the air - hold them. Also, I use 'Windex' or similar products to clean the case/keyboard/etc, and there are specialty towels/cleaners for the LCD screens.
February 17, 2011 1:42:57 PM

did not understand anything from that list :s
thanks for the cleaning stuff :) 
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February 17, 2011 2:11:32 PM

The items 1, 2, & 3 are for different SSD & HDD combinations with the appropriate SATA Ports {see the manual} and BIOS settings.

Once you have your MOBO it will become very clear.

Q - What exact SSD and HDD did you choose? I'll tell you which to use from above.
February 17, 2011 2:54:25 PM

normal 7200 rpm 1tb hdd as for ssd supplier hasn't relied yet :/ 
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February 17, 2011 2:57:41 PM

If the SSD is a 'SATA3' type then use #1 from above, otherwise if it's a 'SATA2' then use #2.
February 18, 2011 3:35:15 PM

but i will cost over 200e which will make my final price go to about 1800e :S
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February 18, 2011 4:52:24 PM

£149.99 ex VAT Corsair
£83.32 ex VAT Crucial
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£66.67 more

If you cannot get both your OS + Apps on the SSD then what's to point?!

As I said:

___GB Windows
___GB Program Files
20GB TRIM + Page File
=====
___GB MINIMUM Needed with ZERO left over.

Spending £1800 and having a capacity issue day one makes no sense to me.
February 18, 2011 5:06:58 PM

how much space does a full win7 64bit installtion take?
February 18, 2011 5:10:31 PM

16 GB available hard disk space (32-bit) or 20 GB (64-bit)

64 - 20 = 44g left I think that would be enough to install a couple of game which I shall delete after no longer playing. dont u think?

Plus unlike the crucial, the corsair is sata II which i won't be getting my potentinal (sata III) from my new mobo
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February 18, 2011 5:28:35 PM

Let me clarify for 64-bit.

___GB Windows +
___GB Program Files +
___GB Program Files (x86) +
20GB TRIM + Page File +
=====
___GB MINIMUM Needed with ZERO left over.

Windows 7 Pro 64-bit is approximately 16.5GB by itself.

Assuming what you listed:
16.5 GB Windows +
20.0 GB Program Files +
16.0 GB Program Files (x86) +
20GB TRIM + Page File +
=====
72.5 GB MINIMUM Needed with ZERO left over.

On one of my 'Business Only' 128 GB SSD, I am left with 119.x after TRIM and formatting, it's using 46.8GB with 72.xGB free. That machine has only MS Office, Photoshop, Acrobat Professional, a 100MB SQL App, and only a few other small Apps.

However, on my 'personal' PC I need 256GB with 30GB free. So YEP the numbers VARY quite a bit.
February 18, 2011 5:34:30 PM

so your saying I should get a sata 2 128gb ssd rather than sata3 62 gb?
is there much difference in speed betwwen a sata3 and sata2 ssd?

and should i connect a sata2 ssd to a sata3 port or there is no use.
Thanks
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February 18, 2011 5:48:19 PM

Either the Crucial or Corsair will do an excellent job. Crucial 355/140 vs Corsair 285/275. The Crucial is better for Reads but has sucky Writes, and the Corsair has both very good Read & Write.

Great article -> http://www.anandtech.com/show/3656/corsairs-force-ssd-r...

In my case I have the 256GB C300, I like the new Corsair SSD - however my next build will probably use the OCZ RevoDrive SSD...waiting for the new X68.
February 18, 2011 5:48:55 PM

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and you can put the SATA 2 device in the SATA 3 port, it's backwards compatible..


doubt that it can perform better tough yeah?
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