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May 22, 2010 11:58:47 PM

Hello!

First of all, I disagree with giving Cyberpower thier own Subfourm.

I know they paid for it, and yadayadayada, but...

It's fine thta they have thier stupid little banner adds that no one ever uses.

It;s diffrent when they put a whole freking subfourm here.

TO add insult to injury, the subfourm is in NSB.

It's a new system build fourm.

YOu heard that right.

Cyber power products are overpriced, low quaility, and have terrible system parts marketed towards people that don't know what they are doing, one of the reasons that they are even buying from them in the first place.

Everytime a person that is a member of toms buys a Cyberpower computer, we have all failed ourselves, the fourm as a whole, and the person.

Everybody needs to NOT POST IN THIS FOURM ASAP.

Though this silent and nonviolent protest we can have this subfoumr removed.
May 23, 2010 2:29:37 AM

How is ordering something online, already built, Homebuilt Systems? I say this should be under a "sponsors" category & board.
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May 23, 2010 1:56:10 PM

^ Yes.

Or better not, just remove it entirley.
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May 23, 2010 1:58:48 PM

Why not protest it by boycotting the Subforum and just being quiet?
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May 23, 2010 2:05:54 PM

^ Thats the plan.

IF we post in the subfourm, we post only here.

THis is needed to get others to know about our silent protest.
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May 23, 2010 2:09:59 PM

^ /Agree, I came to Toms to find out HOW to build a pc, not how to buy one
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May 23, 2010 2:11:55 PM

^

:lol: 

Yep.

Why pay more for less?
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May 23, 2010 3:35:08 PM

No no, I mean just stop posting Bob. Thats what boycotting is. Not using it.
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May 23, 2010 3:40:59 PM

^ Right.

The goal is to inform, then the boycotting will start.
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May 23, 2010 3:42:22 PM

well, this isn't the best section, maybe cpu and components would be better

though IMO, their laptops aren't terrible
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May 23, 2010 4:18:31 PM

^

Thier laptops blow.

Asus laptops rape them.

And this should be in the prebuilt section with other poorly made overpirced garbaje.
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May 23, 2010 4:36:59 PM

builderbobftw said:
^

Thier laptops blow.

Asus laptops rape them.

And this should be in the prebuilt section with other poorly made overpirced garbaje.


ok, down with the dell and hp systems

as for laptops, the compal nblb2 i did through them was better than any asus system i could find
and my laptop before this was from them was an asus
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May 23, 2010 5:44:01 PM

builderbobftw said:
High End Asus laptop:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3662/asus-g73jha2-afforda...

Pure awesomness


1) don't need gaming laptop
2) it's $200 more than what i paid
3) i want no more than 15"

though its a good laptop for someone that wants mobile gaming and doesn't mind slightly larger laptop

keep in mind, the laptops that cyberpower uses are barebone kits from companies so usually the only thing wrong is if they mess up putting parts in and for me they haven't yet

i agree buying a desktop is a waste when getting it from them, but the laptops aren't too bad (i couldn't find what i wanted from asus and would have gone with them if i could find it)
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May 23, 2010 8:46:43 PM

builderbobftw said:
heres another Asus laptop more to your needs:

http://www.anandtech.com/show/3730/asus-u30jc-refining-...

It's slow, but thin and light and under 1k$.

Still like the other one better :/ 


i do too, this is the laptop i got for $1300 (i ordered the ram and HDD from newegg to lower cost, and already had the OS)

Laptop 2:
Windows 7 x64
Arch Linux
Compal NBLB2
Intel Core i7-720QM
8GB(2x4GB) DDR3-1333
Radeon mobility HD5650
WD 640GB HDD
15.6" 1920x1080
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May 23, 2010 9:45:12 PM

^ Nice laptop.

I have to admit thats pretty nice.

he only thign is the the Asus one has a 17.4" and a 5870, 19x12, 8 ram slots, and dual hdd bays
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May 23, 2010 9:53:07 PM

builderbobftw said:
^ Nice laptop.

I have to admit thats pretty nice.

he only thign is the the Asus one has a 17.4" and a 5870, 19x12, 8 ram slots, and dual hdd bays


i don't like the large laptops since at that point i could just lug around my desktop (carrying straps) and the monitor (i have the box, makes it easy), i chose to stay to 15" or so and under (not a fan of 16" and larger)

and i prefer 16:9 over 16:10 just to keep the same resolution as all of the other screens i have
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May 26, 2010 2:17:02 AM

wow... "Cyberpower products are overpriced, low quality, and have terrible system parts marketed towards people that don't know what they are doing, one of the reasons that they are even buying from them in the first place. "

Overpriced? compared to dell, hp, and alienware? NO these company's are the real problem with prices. The system I bought from them was 4000 if i had bought all the parts myself from newegg and wherever and built myself I would have only saved 200... and for 3 year warranty and lifetime phone support that's not too bad.. especially for people that don't know how to build a computer.

Low quality? wow how stupid are you? I bought a gigabyte x58a-ud7, 975 extreme overclocked to 4.00, 12 g corsair denominator 1600, evga gtx 295, thermaltake 1200w, 2 T raid 0, liquid cooled cpu with twin 240m fans.... all of those parts have great reviews the real problem are dell, hp and the others that make there own very low quality parts in china and charge double for its worth.
cyberpower makes good systems if you know what parts to pick.


also so you dont freak out about the price corsair obsidian 800d case, lg 22x read write, blue ray read write, and this was bought when the 975 just released thats why this thing was 4000
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May 26, 2010 7:18:32 PM

LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

You piad 4k$ for a Cyber poiwer system?

4K$?

And it came wiht a GTX 295? Only 1?

No SSD?

And i7-975? LOL!!!!!

It's just a i7-920 with a mulipler bump and an unlocked multiplier!

Fail computer!

What a waste of cash!
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May 26, 2010 7:20:07 PM

It's not just Apple, or Cyber Power, or digtal storm, or Dell or HP.

ALL PREBUILTS BLOW!

There is no point in argiung wich one is the tallest midget in the room.
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May 26, 2010 7:50:29 PM

^Bump that, Especially as the Op is that the midget shouldnt even BE in this room :p 
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May 27, 2010 1:05:27 AM

Actually as it has been said many times there are situations where pre-builts will beat out home builds in value.

Such as buying a very simple Acer desktop build for like 300 dollars.
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May 27, 2010 7:41:04 PM

^ Not realy.

I can spec out a seprom/celron build with a cheap 50$ mobo, under 50$ CPU 20$ case. 40$ PSU etc etc
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May 27, 2010 7:48:46 PM

I can find a prebuilt with 320GB HD, Dual Core CPU and 3 GB of RAM for less than 300. Let's duel. I'll post a prebuilt cheapo-express, you mirror the specs for less money.
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Best solution

May 27, 2010 8:05:40 PM

Dell Vostro 230

Specs:
Dual Core E5300
2 GB DDR3 1333
16X DVD-ROM
160 GB HDD
Dell USB Keyboard and Dell USB Optical Mouse
Windows 7 Premium
20" LCD monitor

407.00 shipped.

Find me a new computer with those specs at a cheaper price and I'll eat my words. No refurbs, no ebay. Legit parts sites. Include shipping in your price. No student discount on Win7 either.

I put together something on newegg with these specs, I simply selected lowest price for every category and it came out to 509.00 shipped. I'm curious if you can magic something up. Please provide links :) 

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May 27, 2010 8:15:49 PM

I'm not putting an OS there.

Not everyone wants to buy an OS.

I'll spec a build.....
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May 27, 2010 8:31:20 PM

Case+PSU: 20$.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Motherboard: 120$ 890GX High end mobo with USB 3.0+Sata 6.0gbs.

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

CPU:

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

Athlon x3 435: 61$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

23$ Sata DVDrw

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

RAm: 4gb OCZ Gold CAS 7 98$

http://www.newegg.com/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E168...

YOu'll notice this is much better quality, and for less.

Total: 322$.


If you want to OC, stick a 20$ Hyper 212+ in there

Total with Hyper 212+=342$.
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May 27, 2010 8:41:40 PM

builderbobftw said:

YOu'll notice this is much better quality, and for less.
... and would take time to assemble and test and would not come with support if you messed up the assembly somewhere.

Buying a pre-built is about more than just hardware, you pay for assembly and warranty. I dont see why you would object to Toms having a forum for pre-builts. I say bring on the pre-builts and let us demonstrate the savings and quality of build it yourself. People can decide for themselves if the savings and quality is worth the effort and risk of building it themselves.

If anything I think having a bunch of questions and discussion to Cyberpowers builds might make them a better company as there will be some fairly knowledgeable third party opinions about what they are doing.

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May 27, 2010 8:44:55 PM

^ No.

Custoim builds come with better warrentys thsn prebuilt.

And only noobs breaks things.
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May 27, 2010 8:49:21 PM

builderbobftw said:

Custoim builds come with better warrentys thsn prebuilt.

And only noobs breaks things.

You should take a good look at your avatar, because you are truly living up to it in this thread.
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May 27, 2010 8:54:09 PM

^ No.

How did a noob like you get a badge in HOME BREW?

By recomending prebuilts?

Epic fail.
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May 27, 2010 8:55:18 PM

Guys, relax!

There is a whole forum restructuring coming. There is no need to 'boycott' anything.
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May 27, 2010 9:00:02 PM

You didnt include a 20" monitor? Also, yeah the OS counts. It's value. Also you didn't include any shipping did you? The Case+PSU combo might be 20 bucks, but its also 18.99 shipping. Fail less.
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May 27, 2010 9:02:38 PM

Mid-High end builds are always better than pre-built stuff I agree. But realize that Dell/HP etc are niche value for businesses and old people that simply want a worker.

Because they mass produce, a home build simply can't compete.

I wouldn't get a Dell, and of course the one I specced was garbage by my own standards, but considering its a complete build, with OS and 20" monitor for 400 shipped that can surf the web, play movies, etc etc its a tremendous value.
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May 27, 2010 9:05:21 PM

builderbobftw said:
^ No.

How did a noob like you get a badge in HOME BREW?

By recomending prebuilts?

Epic fail.


Who are you calling a noob?
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May 27, 2010 9:08:46 PM

Oh and lol @ using an 890X motherboard when trying to slip under 400 bucks. Builderbobftl
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May 27, 2010 9:09:03 PM

I was calling DND a noob.

ANd I used a 890 board and STILL was under 400$.

Yeh.

And the OS is NOT a value.

Its not at all.
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May 27, 2010 9:12:55 PM

Lol no hard drive either? Nevermind you're not even trying to troll very well.
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May 27, 2010 9:13:42 PM

Wheres the monitor and shipping costs Bob?
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May 27, 2010 9:16:22 PM

You're recommending a logisys case and PSU? And onboard graphics?
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May 27, 2010 9:17:57 PM

Well due to bob's inability to match what I linked. I hereby declare myself the winner of this thread.
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May 27, 2010 9:18:40 PM

builderbobftw said:
I was calling DND a noob.

I'll just invite people to check out our post and best answers counts and let them figure out who is what. :kaola: 
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May 27, 2010 9:21:55 PM

cmcghee358 said:
Well due to bob's inability to match what I linked. I hereby declare myself the winner of this thread.


Go for it.

You win!

Good for you!

But, With the crappy case and crapier PSU I linked you need to keep in mind that parts in a prebuilt are euqally bad.
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May 27, 2010 9:25:11 PM

Being that you agree that I am right, that there are situations where pre-builts are a better value, I request that you mark me as best answer.
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May 27, 2010 10:18:06 PM

Sure Mate.

If you want a Piece o Crud PC, Dell is the way to go. It;s thier specialty.
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May 27, 2010 10:18:41 PM

Best answer selected by builderbobftw.
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May 29, 2010 3:54:01 AM

Find something worthwhile to protest about.
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